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Feb 13, 2013
 
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Headache this morning?
nope.....thanks for asking
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Then here's the solution:
Either off yourself, move to your own utopia, or stop thinking like a puritan tyrant bent on imposing your own will and so called "morals" upon others.
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excuse me..........
the last 450 of your posts, your above solution applies to
can you really be that ignorant not to see that?
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Feb 13, 2013
 
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Secular humanists always miss the "endowed by their Creator" phrase.
I thought that referred to my mom and dad.

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As you agreed in an earlier post, all law is based on moral absolutes.
Otherwise, why would any human cringe at genocide, cannibalism, or rape?
Perhaps we shouldn't impose laws against such acts.
Now there you go, ignoring the obvious again.

I simply don't care for YOUR morality being imposed upon me, or others, because I happen to find it repulsively immoral.

See how that works?

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Taking into account the proven links between homosexual behaviors and pedophilia -- one unnatural inclination generally leads to others -- logic, like biology, would declare parenthood off limits to practitioners of such behaviors.
Your "proven links" have serious credibility issues.

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Well, where on earth were you hiding before I adopted my kids?
Between the thighs of another white woman :),

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Your "proven links" have serious credibility issues.
FACT: 80% of the child sex abuse cases in the RC Church were homosexual in nature.

FACTS:...a study by Dr. Gene Abel, director of the Behavioral Medicine Institute in Atlanta, which was published in 1987 in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence, found that homosexuals sexually molest young boys with an incidence five times (5x) greater than the molestation rate of girls. The study found that 150 boys are molested by one male homosexual offender, compared to 19.8 girls by heterosexual offenders.

This is especially telling because according to a survey commissioned last year by the pro-homosexual Human Rights Campaign, only 2.9% of the population is homosexual. This means that while only making up a tiny portion of the overall population, the perpetration of male molestation by homosexuals is greater than the much larger general population.

This behavior would seem to go hand in hand with findings that homosexual males were molested as children at much higher rates than heterosexual men: 35% versus 4%; one study found a ratio as high as 46% to 7%. As a former law enforcement official, the information we had indicated that people who were molested as children have a greater likelihood of perpetrating that behavior on others when they grow up.

The Daily Mail from Great Britain reported last month that a homosexual activist was exposed as a ringleader in one of Scotland’s biggest pedophilia rings. According to the article, James Rennie, 38, molested a three-month-old baby boy.

"Rennie, 38, molested the toddler son of unsuspecting friends – a little boy he had been trusted to babysit – recording the abuse and sharing it with other perverts.

During their investigations, police recovered tens of thousands of still and moving images of the most vile child abuse."

As bad as this is, it isn’t the worst of it:

"One of the most worrying aspects of the case is the way Rennie was able to reach a position where he could influence Executive policy on child sexuality.

A trained teacher, Rennie became the boss of LGBT Youth Scotland, a publicly-funded support group for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender young people.

He took on the £40,000 a year role when the group was set up in 2003 and became the Executive’s most important and influential adviser on gay issues affecting children.

Under his leadership, the group backed proposals to allow gay adoption. As well as appearing in the Scottish parliament, he was invited to a Royal Garden Party and to Downing Street."

This is far from the first time this has happened. The Daily Mail in Britain reported two years ago that a homosexual couple were allowed to foster care for several children and ended up molesting four boys:

"A homosexual foster couple were left free to sexually abuse vulnerable boys in their care because social workers feared being accused of discrimination if they investigated complaints, an inquiry concluded yesterday.

Craig Faunch and Ian Wathey were one of the first homosexual couples in the country to be officially approved as foster parents.

They looked after 18 children in only 15 months.

With no previous convictions, they came across as respectable men who simply wanted to help boys with a variety of problems.

In reality, they were paedophiles, who repeatedly abused the children in their care."...

http://tinyurl.com/289tfmt

Ohio case, 2012:

"A 10-year-old boy shook when asked about being prostituted to two other men by an adoptive father who regularly had sex with him, according to police, who said the boy was fearful of talking because he didn't want to be taken from his home or separated from his new siblings.

The adoptive father has been charged with raping three boys in his care and compelling prostitution by hiring the 10-year-old out for sex...."

http://tinyurl.com/baazujp

A pattern exists for those not blinded by ideology.

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#131
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1. Adoption and surrogacy have not and cannot overcome the biological limitation on procreation between two same-sex individuals. What are you drinking?[QUOTE]

You're fixated on the continuance of a bloodline. There are a lot more important things you can give to a child. My adopted child is no less my offspring than any other.

[QUOTE]2. That heteros have contracted HIV/AIDS does not disprove the fact that it is a homosexual disease.
Yes it does. As much as the majority of those infected in the US are homosexual, the majority of those infected in Africa are heterosexual.
3. Children cannot legally consent to sex...for now.
For the next century if not forever.

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#132
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Secular humanists always miss the "endowed by their Creator" phrase.
And control freaks miss the word "liberty".

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I agree with you..., to me, more or less like being born with blue eyes or brown eyes. And I certainly hold with Tip's views also. SO homosexuals have been 'normalized', Will it be pedophiles next? No, I do not like slipperly slopes.
I don't hate homosexuals (well, anybody really) and my God understands what lead them down that path. I don't have to. And, okeefe, I get into arguments about this all the time, and with my mother and my husband. If there is no sex, where is the sin? And being gay has caused so many people so much pain. I don't believe anyone 'chooses' that orientation. And I have gay friends and relatives.
Frankly, it is more the 'convenience' relationships between two hetrosexuals that are not committed to eachother and have children that rankles me more.
I know both a father and mother are very important in any child's life and without one or the other, there is a 'missing link.' What of a widow or widower? When my sister died very young and her children were 8 and 10, I filled in as best I could. And they are wonderful. But they still missed alot and now, they are beginning to have children, and oh, what she is missing and her grandchildren are missing.
Didn't there used to be a custom that the brother married the widow?
I'm late to this thread, so I may be way out of the loop. Morally, I think this country has some big problems and they are being compounded with each generation.
I would agree re the convenience factor. But am becoming that the attitude of "convenience" is inherent in the hetero side as well -- if it feels good, do it, damn any outcome, see ya later.

Yes, there used to be such a custom. It was prevalent in a number of eastern European Catholic communities, particularly during my great-grandparents and grandparents day from I can tell. Actually had a cousin who married, had a few children, and she died. Her sister was then widowed, but had no children. Her widowed sister then married her brother-in-law and they raised the children together. From all I can tell (did speak to the family, they are *relatively close* relations through my mom), it was a fairly harmonious relationship as a second marriage. Good part of the emphasis was on raising the kids, focus on the church, and giving/receiving community support. So am not so sure that's a bad situation to deal with at all.

Me, I really can't hate anyone. To me, it's an absolute waste of emotional and mental energy. If I really "hate" someone, I just walk away--but not so sure if that is hate in the dictionary sense or if it is just knowing and understanding that there is something really not right for me in that dynamic.

I cannot at all disagree with anything Tip posts here. It's too utterly familiar to me as being raised Catholic. I completely and totally understand it, and I do not with my background and education see an iota of hatred or disgust of anyone in what he posts. It's those who read his posts and feel the great and burning need to defend instead of thoughtfully digesting and understanding what he is saying who have the problem IMHO. It's sorta like when you're in a situation and you know someone isn't listening to you, just waiting to react/respond in order to defend themselves. Too much of that behavior going on here on Topix.

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Yes it does. As much as the majority of those infected in the US are homosexual, the majority of those infected in Africa are heterosexual.
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For the next century if not forever.
1. The topic was the biological inability of same-sex couples to procreate. The lack of the necessary tools for procreation is cause for believing the relationship to be abnormal.

2. Africa is a less civilized, less sanitized nation than the U.S. Disease runs rampant there. The fact remains that HIV/AIDS is, in fact, a homosexual disease and Los Angeles public health officials were not afraid to say so in 2006, because facts trump fantasy every single time:

"The Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center has abandoned a long-held homosexual activist contention by declaring on billboards posted throughout Southern California that HIV/AIDS is a 'gay disease.'

According to a report by the Los Angeles Times, the Center is trying to address rapidly increasing HIV infection rates among the homosexual population by rallying the gay community to increasing vigilance against exposure to the disease. Activists for the homosexual lifestyle have, until this current development, strongly, and sometimes vehemently refused to admit that the disease is predominantly generated among homosexual men.

The ad campaign, which is also running in magazines, is in part a response to the findings of public health officials, who have noted that three out of four cases of HIV infections are found in men who engage in homosexual activity, the United Press International reported.

In 2005 US health officials reported an alarming eight percent increase in HIV infection rates in one year alone among homosexual and bisexual men. The Center for Disease Control also warned that a survey of 15-29 year old men who engaged in homosexual activity 'reported that the proportion of unrecognized HIV infection was as high as 77 %.'"

3. No rational American can definitively state that the age of consent for children will never be lowered and/or repealed, particularly in light of the relatively recent normalization of a centuries'-held sexual aberration,...homosexual behavior.

Please note:

"The only standard for moral sex...is that it be freely and equally consented to by the persons involved...There is no question that blacks, whites, women, men, CHILDREN, and ADOLESCENTS can consent to sex...If we want really to respect the authenticity of individuals we have to let people take risks, explore different values, and recognize that we will be challenged and threatened by what they discover."

-- Bill Andriette, Gay/NAMBLA activist

This homosexual perspective was revealed to all in the 1972 Gay Rights Platform when homosexual activists in Chicago demanded the "[r]epeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons," and the "[r]epeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent."

The slippery slope is getting very slippery.

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And control freaks miss the word "liberty".
The Creator gave us liberty and...the Ten Commandments.

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1. The topic was the biological inability of same-sex couples to procreate. The lack of the necessary tools for procreation is cause for believing the relationship to be abnormal.
So what? Since they can't procreate, they will die out, right? Let them live what lives they have.
2. Africa is a less civilized, less sanitized nation than the U.S. Disease runs rampant there. The fact remains that HIV/AIDS is, in fact, a homosexual disease and Los Angeles public health officials were not afraid to say so in 2006, because facts trump fantasy every single time:
"The Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center has abandoned a long-held homosexual activist contention by declaring on billboards posted throughout Southern California that HIV/AIDS is a 'gay disease.'
According to a report by the Los Angeles Times, the Center is trying to address rapidly increasing HIV infection rates among the homosexual population by rallying the gay community to increasing vigilance against exposure to the disease. Activists for the homosexual lifestyle have, until this current development, strongly, and sometimes vehemently refused to admit that the disease is predominantly generated among homosexual men.
The ad campaign, which is also running in magazines, is in part a response to the findings of public health officials, who have noted that three out of four cases of HIV infections are found in men who engage in homosexual activity, the United Press International reported.
In 2005 US health officials reported an alarming eight percent increase in HIV infection rates in one year alone among homosexual and bisexual men. The Center for Disease Control also warned that a survey of 15-29 year old men who engaged in homosexual activity 'reported that the proportion of unrecognized HIV infection was as high as 77 %.'"
Since the disease was first found in Africa, the prevalence among heteros is significant. The reason it's spread more among homosexuals outside of Africa is that homosexuals are more likely to have sex with strangers.
3. No rational American can definitively state that the age of consent for children will never be lowered and/or repealed, particularly in light of the relatively recent normalization of a centuries'-held sexual aberration,...homosexual behavior.
Please note:
"The only standard for moral sex...is that it be freely and equally consented to by the persons involved...There is no question that blacks, whites, women, men, CHILDREN, and ADOLESCENTS can consent to sex...If we want really to respect the authenticity of individuals we have to let people take risks, explore different values, and recognize that we will be challenged and threatened by what they discover."
-- Bill Andriette, Gay/NAMBLA activist
You and I both know that's never going to happen.
This homosexual perspective was revealed to all in the 1972 Gay Rights Platform when homosexual activists in Chicago demanded the "[r]epeal of all state laws prohibiting private sexual acts involving consenting persons," and the "[r]epeal of all laws governing the age of sexual consent."
The slippery slope is getting very slippery.
What's slippery is this made-up link between homosexuality and pedophilia. The fact is that some perverts like girl kids and others like boy kids should tell you that. That means there are both homosexual perverts and heterosexual perverts.
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Now there you go, ignoring the obvious again.
I simply don't care for YOUR morality being imposed upon me, or others, because I happen to find it repulsively immoral.
See how that works?
woof
who cares?

you are a blip above an animal with how you act.

you keep pushing your unmoral agenda; and repulsive ideas, you life will be cut short.
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who cares?
you are a blip above an animal with how you act.
you keep pushing your unmoral agenda; and repulsive ideas, you life will be cut short.
Looks like Ol Bubba's got a new name.

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Looks like Ol Bubba's got a new name.
woof
wrong

nothing new

you are always wrong
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wrong
nothing new
you are always wrong
If you're gonna try to pull that off Bubba, you're gonna need to hire a drama coach.

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So what? Since they can't procreate, they will die out, right? Let them live what lives they have.
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Since the disease was first found in Africa, the prevalence among heteros is significant. The reason it's spread more among homosexuals outside of Africa is that homosexuals are more likely to have sex with strangers.
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You and I both know that's never going to happen.
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What's slippery is this made-up link between homosexuality and pedophilia. The fact is that some perverts like girl kids and others like boy kids should tell you that. That means there are both homosexual perverts and heterosexual perverts.
1. Homosexuals ARE free to live their aberrant lifestyle. However, that same-sex pairs do not possess the equipment necessary for procreation, thus leading to a biological dead-end, indicates the relationship is unnatural. There's no getting around it.

2. Thank you for reminding us that homosexuals are, indeed, more likely to "have sex with strangers" and, as a result, are more prone to numerous STDs and STD-related cancers, but particularly the homosexual disease, AIDS. So...why would any sane person encourage these behaviors among adults, or more worse, around children?

3. No one can confidently state that the current age of consent will never be lowered or repealed, particularly when activists and the APA are pushing the reclassification of pedophilia as a distinct sexual orientation:

"In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming "that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences.”

Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the Federal Government. The Matthew Shephard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class; however, it does not define the term.

Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation;” however, the amendment was defeated by Democrats."

So...once the APA deems that adolescents and/or children can consent to sex...who are you, o libertarian, to deny the free expression of pedophiliacs' natural sexual orientation?

4. Of course, pedophilia occurs among both the heterosexual and homosexual populations...but what you purposely glossed over was the statistically-proven, disproportionately-high prevalence of pedophilia among homosexuals. You can ignore the facts, but there they are.

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1. Homosexuals ARE free to live their aberrant lifestyle. However, that same-sex pairs do not possess the equipment necessary for procreation, thus leading to a biological dead-end, indicates the relationship is unnatural. There's no getting around it.
Eyeglasses are unnatural.
2. Thank you for reminding us that homosexuals are, indeed, more likely to "have sex with strangers" and, as a result, are more prone to numerous STDs and STD-related cancers, but particularly the homosexual disease, AIDS. So...why would any sane person encourage these behaviors among adults, or more worse, around children?

3. No one can confidently state that the current age of consent will never be lowered or repealed,
I just did.
particularly when activists and the APA are pushing the reclassification of pedophilia as a distinct sexual orientation:
"In 1998 The APA issued a report claiming "that the ‘negative potential’ of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood sexual abuse experiences.”
Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the Federal Government. The Matthew Shephard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class; however, it does not define the term.
Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying that “pedophilia is not covered as an orientation;” however, the amendment was defeated by Democrats."
So...once the APA deems that adolescents and/or children can consent to sex...who are you, o libertarian, to deny the free expression of pedophiliacs' natural sexual orientation?
4. Of course, pedophilia occurs among both the heterosexual and homosexual populations...
That's all that's needed to disprove your "link".

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Eyeglasses are unnatural.
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I just did.
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That's all that's needed to disprove your "link".
1. The use of eyeglasses is not remotely comparable to the outright rejection of Nature's biological model for continuation of the species.

2. That you are personally confident making a declaration that the age of consent will never change does not make it so, and proves you are no student of history. Homosexual behavior, previously punishable by death pursuant to U.S. state law, has been normalized; and, pedophile activists are currently lobbying for the same. Further, you never answered how you, as a libertarian, can constrain a newly-declared "distinct sexual orientation" from pursuing its "natural" inclination, particularly if its target has been declared capable of consent.

3. That pedophilia is present in the heterosexual population in no way disproves the statistical fact that pedophilia is alarmingly more prevalent among the homosexual population.

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