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#734 Mar 4, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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abandoned science?
another lie from Che.
we abandoned liberal fantasy science.
care to guess what political party has the most patents with years of scientific research?
care to guess which political party has the highest percentage of base, that used science to manufacture a new product making millions for the company?
abandoned were the money suckers that never would return a profit.
Libreral science is when it justifies their means. Like an embryo is no a human person. That's lib science.

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#735 Mar 4, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>So Reader, do you call people in your hood who have battled prescription drug abuse and emerged from a program clean and sober and have maintained their sobriety for several years, "drug addicts"?
I suspect not.
In fact, George, that is the reality. Some are recovering.

You missed that in 12-Step programs?

I would be very leery of anyone who claims that they used to be an addict.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#736 Mar 4, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
In fact, George, that is the reality. Some are recovering.
You missed that in 12-Step programs?
I would be very leery of anyone who claims that they used to be an addict.
Nobody said they weren't recovering addicts. My question was whether or not you call them addicts to their face or to their families.
I certainly understand that there's no such thing as a "former alcoholic." That doesn't mean I refer to them as such outside of a clinical discussion.
Duke for Mayor

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#737 Mar 4, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Explain to us how those three factors I listed didn't contribute to Romney's loss. The fraud at the polls was the coup de grace.
Thanks for the chuckle Paco.

Hey, how about that Pope deciding to abdicate on the very same day he got the secret report?

woof

Hugh Victor Thompson III

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#738 Mar 4, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the chuckle Paco.
Hey, how about that Pope deciding to abdicate on the very same day he got the secret report?
woof
How about growing up and living in reality:

VATICAN CITY — Benedict XVI stunned the world when he announced Feb. 11 he would resign as pope. But in retrospect, all the signs were there, and they even accelerated in recent months. Here's a look at the hints Benedict dropped starting in 2005, his first year as pope, indicating that unlike his predecessors over 600 years, his papacy would end in retirement, not death.

___

_In his first encyclical "God is Love" – published eight months after he was elected – Benedict wrote about service: "It is God who governs the world, not we. We offer him our service only to the extent that we can, and for as long as he grants us the strength."

_In 2009, Benedict prayed at the tomb of Celestine V, the hermit pope who stepped down after five months as pope in 1294, simply too overwhelmed by the job. Benedict also placed on the tomb the pallium, or wool stole, that he received during his 2005 installation Mass as pope – a powerful symbol and a tip-off that he would follow Celestine's footsteps.

_Five years after his first encyclical, in the 2010 book "Light of the World," Benedict made his views about the limits of strength more explicit, and personal. "If a pope clearly realizes that he is no longer physically, psychologically and spiritually capable of handling the duties of his office, then he has a right, and under some circumstances, also an obligation to resign."

_In March 2012, according to the Vatican newspaper, he decided to resign after an exhausting trip to Mexico and Cuba. He told only a handful of people and the only visible sign for those in the know would come seven months later when renovations began on the monastery in the Vatican gardens where he will live.

_In June, the Vatican appointed Fox News correspondent Greg Burke as a senior media adviser in the secretariat of state, perhaps anticipating the crush of media interest in all things Vatican. Burke has become a much sought-after television commentator in recent weeks.

_In November, Benedict created six new cardinals – not a single one from Italy or Europe – making a very international final mark on the club that would elect his successor.

_In December, he received the final report of the commission of cardinals investigating the leaks of his personal papers and he pardoned the butler who stole them, closing a chapter on an embarrassing and damaging scandal so that his successor wouldn't have to deal with it. He has, however, left it for the new pope to decide what to do with the report.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/02/pope...
Obskeptic

Troy, MI

#739 Mar 4, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
And you are in the military?
Not me personally, but a few of my family is, and I also have a customer that is a retired Lt. Col. I heard this from both sources. Any military person has more credibility to me then our pathological Liar in Chief, especially a Lt. Col. I really don't care if you believe it or not, because even if it were true, you wouldn't care. You'll vote for him for a third term if it's possible, and their working on the legislation.

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#740 Mar 4, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Nobody said they weren't recovering addicts. My question was whether or not you call them addicts to their face or to their families.
I certainly understand that there's no such thing as a "former alcoholic." That doesn't mean I refer to them as such outside of a clinical discussion.
You are splitting hairs, George.

Big J referred to Rushbo as an addict. This is undisputed fact.

Hardly counts as unproven conspiracy theory.

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#741 Mar 4, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
<quoted text>
Not me personally, but a few of my family is, and I also have a customer that is a retired Lt. Col. I heard this from both sources. Any military person has more credibility to me then our pathological Liar in Chief, especially a Lt. Col. I really don't care if you believe it or not, because even if it were true, you wouldn't care. You'll vote for him for a third term if it's possible, and their working on the legislation.
You don't really follow the news, do you?

Hugh Victor Thompson III

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Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#742 Mar 4, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
You don't really follow the news, do you?
Apparently you don't. Where is General Carter Ham? Where is Admiral Charles Gaouette? Where are the 48 personnel airlifted out of the American embassy in Tripoli and the consulate in Benghazi?

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#743 Mar 4, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
In fact, George, that is the reality. Some are recovering.
You missed that in 12-Step programs?
I would be very leery of anyone who claims that they used to be an addict.
It depends upon how you look at it. There are new theories and avenues of thought out there that state there are two problems at play here: a physical chemical dependency that can be overcome and a psychological neediness that is overcome with learning how to think and behave differently.

IOW, addictions are no longer looked at in the old AA mentality.

I prefer that thinking. I do believe that the thought of "life long addictions" make one psychologically a victim and that they believe they can't control themselves. They can.

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#744 Mar 4, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Apparently you don't. Where is General Carter Ham? Where is Admiral Charles Gaouette? Where are the 48 personnel airlifted out of the American embassy in Tripoli and the consulate in Benghazi?
The fellow was claiming that legislation is already being worked on to legalize a third term for Obama. Now, even if this were as simple a matter as legislation, Congress hasn't been exactly zooming through any minimally controversial legislation of late (took over a year to reauthorize the VAWA, for instance). Confirming Obama appointments has been a trial. Cannot even get a permanent head of the BATF confirmed.

So, I would suggest that the likelihood of there being some underground movement to draft legislation (however insufficient that might be) to enable a third term pretty much nil. Changes for passage--even less.

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#745 Mar 4, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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It depends upon how you look at it. There are new theories and avenues of thought out there that state there are two problems at play here: a physical chemical dependency that can be overcome and a psychological neediness that is overcome with learning how to think and behave differently.
IOW, addictions are no longer looked at in the old AA mentality.
I prefer that thinking. I do believe that the thought of "life long addictions" make one psychologically a victim and that they believe they can't control themselves. They can.
Ummmm, you got some reliable research backing that one up?

Medical practitioners have not generally been the best of experts in the field of addiction and recovery. Lack of emphasis in training, but also a very different treatment approach in general. Docs have frequently been easy marks for drug-seeking behavior that triggers episodes of use. Often fatal.

But, I think we can still pretty safely regard Rushbo as an addict.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

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Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#747 Mar 4, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
The fellow was claiming that legislation is already being worked on to legalize a third term for Obama. Now, even if this were as simple a matter as legislation, Congress hasn't been exactly zooming through any minimally controversial legislation of late (took over a year to reauthorize the VAWA, for instance). Confirming Obama appointments has been a trial. Cannot even get a permanent head of the BATF confirmed.
So, I would suggest that the likelihood of there being some underground movement to draft legislation (however insufficient that might be) to enable a third term pretty much nil. Changes for passage--even less.
I repeat: You apparently don't follow the news...

New York congressman introduces bill to abolish presidential term limits

New York Democratic Rep. Jose Serrano reintroduced a bill in Congress on Friday to repeal the 22nd Amendment, which places term limits on the U.S. presidency.

The bill, which has been referred to committee, would allow Barack President Obama to become the first president since Franklin Roosevelt to seek a third term in office.

H.J. Res. 15 proposes “an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/06/new-york-co...

Passage is impossible, I agree. But there are other ways to stay in power, which leads me to repeat: Where is General Carter Ham? Where is Admiral Charles Gaouette?

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#748 Mar 4, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Ummmm, you got some reliable research backing that one up?
Medical practitioners have not generally been the best of experts in the field of addiction and recovery. Lack of emphasis in training, but also a very different treatment approach in general. Docs have frequently been easy marks for drug-seeking behavior that triggers episodes of use. Often fatal.
But, I think we can still pretty safely regard Rushbo as an addict.
Yeah, my daughter who works in the field. PsyD, licensure to be reality this summer. She's done all of her clinical work in addictions studies. I'll find some of her references. Also I've known a few folks through my life I'd classify as alcoholics... who just decided to get treatment and be done with it. Detoxed, no 12 steps, cleaned up their lives, got goals, went on with life and don't refer to themselves as "recoverING." They're recoverED and done with it. Do they drink? Not that I know of, but they don't focus on the lack of what they can't have.

Rushbo? I find it funny that you say that. I don't listen to him -- he hurts my ears with his repetitiveness and numbs me to sleep -- but doesn't even he refer to his "formerly nicotine-stained fingers?" Isn't tobacco an addiction? I do believe he was treated successfully for pain-killer (opiate-based? not sure) addictions post-ear surgery. Hasn't fallen off the wagon as far as I know, and I would think the liberal media would be all over it if he were...

It all depends upon the mindset.

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#749 Mar 4, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah, my daughter who works in the field. PsyD, licensure to be reality this summer. She's done all of her clinical work in addictions studies. I'll find some of her references. Also I've known a few folks through my life I'd classify as alcoholics... who just decided to get treatment and be done with it. Detoxed, no 12 steps, cleaned up their lives, got goals, went on with life and don't refer to themselves as "recoverING." They're recoverED and done with it. Do they drink? Not that I know of, but they don't focus on the lack of what they can't have.
Rushbo? I find it funny that you say that. I don't listen to him -- he hurts my ears with his repetitiveness and numbs me to sleep -- but doesn't even he refer to his "formerly nicotine-stained fingers?" Isn't tobacco an addiction? I do believe he was treated successfully for pain-killer (opiate-based? not sure) addictions post-ear surgery. Hasn't fallen off the wagon as far as I know, and I would think the liberal media would be all over it if he were...
It all depends upon the mindset.
It's not funny that I mention Rush--that is what this discussion was about.

Johnson offered as an example of an unfounded conspiracy theory that Limbaugh was a gay drug addict. I said he was off-base, as at leasst 50% of that is pretty widely accepted fact. I offer no opinion as to his sexuality.

George objected to referring to Mr. Limbaugh as an addict.

Many in the recovery community as well as addiction specialists make a distinction between being abstinent and being sober. However the important distinction is whether one who has once behaved addictively can ever become a "casual" user of substances.

There have certainly been some really classic tragedies associated with a belief that one can give up heroin, but still drink beer on the weekends, or treat one's alcoholism by just giving up hard liquor.

Most folks in recovery will tell anyone--if it works for you, go ahead, it's your life. But for anyone who admits they cannot just control their urges, there is help.

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#750 Mar 4, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I repeat: You apparently don't follow the news...
New York congressman introduces bill to abolish presidential term limits
New York Democratic Rep. Jose Serrano reintroduced a bill in Congress on Friday to repeal the 22nd Amendment, which places term limits on the U.S. presidency.
The bill, which has been referred to committee, would allow Barack President Obama to become the first president since Franklin Roosevelt to seek a third term in office.
H.J. Res. 15 proposes “an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/01/06/new-york-co...
Passage is impossible, I agree. But there are other ways to stay in power, which leads me to repeat: Where is General Carter Ham? Where is Admiral Charles Gaouette?
Check back when the bill makes it out of committee, OK?

And now that we are back to really unfounded conspiracy theories, I would love to hear where you think Carter Ham is.

Hugh Victor Thompson III

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#751 Mar 4, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Check back when the bill makes it out of committee, OK?
And now that we are back to really unfounded conspiracy theories, I would love to hear where you think Carter Ham is.
Home and silent under threat of being brought up on bogus charges.
Ham, Gaouette, Petreus, Allen and over 50 other senior officers over the past six months...even the GRU has been pondering the implications of this unprecedented action.

"On Monday, Dr. Jim Garrow, a renowned author and humanitarian who was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, sparked a firestorm of controversy when he wrote on Facebook that President Obama wants military leaders who will fire on U.S. citizens. In an exclusive interview with Examiner.com , Dr. Garrow said the man who told him this is a military hero who is known by everybody in the country."
http://www.examiner.com/article/renowned-auth...

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#752 Mar 4, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Home and silent under threat of being brought up on bogus charges.
Ham, Gaouette, Petreus, Allen and over 50 other senior officers over the past six months...even the GRU has been pondering the implications of this unprecedented action.
"On Monday, Dr. Jim Garrow, a renowned author and humanitarian who was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, sparked a firestorm of controversy when he wrote on Facebook that President Obama wants military leaders who will fire on U.S. citizens. In an exclusive interview with Examiner.com , Dr. Garrow said the man who told him this is a military hero who is known by everybody in the country."
http://www.examiner.com/article/renowned-auth...
Yes--a single source posting on his Facebook an unattributed claim (well-known military hero) who allegedly got the information from an anonymous former military leader.

Yep--I would call that an unsupported conspiracy theory.

You are really leading the pack here tonight, George.
Duke for Mayor

United States

#753 Mar 4, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
And now that we are back to really unfounded conspiracy theories, I would love to hear where you think Carter Ham is.
At the end of aisle 10, near the turkeys.

woof
Duke for Mayor

United States

#754 Mar 4, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>How about growing up and living in reality:
VATICAN CITY — Benedict XVI stunned the world when he announced Feb. 11 he would resign as pope. But in retrospect, all the signs were there, and they even accelerated in recent months. Here's a look at the hints Benedict dropped starting in 2005, his first year as pope, indicating that unlike his predecessors over 600 years, his papacy would end in retirement, not death.
___
_In his first encyclical "God is Love" – published eight months after he was elected – Benedict wrote about service: "It is God who governs the world, not we. We offer him our service only to the extent that we can, and for as long as he grants us the strength."
_In 2009, Benedict prayed at the tomb of Celestine V, the hermit pope who stepped down after five months as pope in 1294, simply too overwhelmed by the job. Benedict also placed on the tomb the pallium, or wool stole, that he received during his 2005 installation Mass as pope – a powerful symbol and a tip-off that he would follow Celestine's footsteps.
_Five years after his first encyclical, in the 2010 book "Light of the World," Benedict made his views about the limits of strength more explicit, and personal. "If a pope clearly realizes that he is no longer physically, psychologically and spiritually capable of handling the duties of his office, then he has a right, and under some circumstances, also an obligation to resign."
_In March 2012, according to the Vatican newspaper, he decided to resign after an exhausting trip to Mexico and Cuba. He told only a handful of people and the only visible sign for those in the know would come seven months later when renovations began on the monastery in the Vatican gardens where he will live.
_In June, the Vatican appointed Fox News correspondent Greg Burke as a senior media adviser in the secretariat of state, perhaps anticipating the crush of media interest in all things Vatican. Burke has become a much sought-after television commentator in recent weeks.
_In November, Benedict created six new cardinals – not a single one from Italy or Europe – making a very international final mark on the club that would elect his successor.
_In December, he received the final report of the commission of cardinals investigating the leaks of his personal papers and he pardoned the butler who stole them, closing a chapter on an embarrassing and damaging scandal so that his successor wouldn't have to deal with it. He has, however, left it for the new pope to decide what to do with the report.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/02/pope...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/feb/21/p...

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