Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#21 Feb 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Post #7.
So it isn't the stucture of the family that matters in the raising of the child, it's the intent on the inception of the relationship between the parents?

“animis opibusque parati”

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#22 Feb 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
So it isn't the stucture of the family that matters in the raising of the child, it's the intent on the inception of the relationship between the parents?
Again, to avoid further embarrassment of yourself, please take your comprehension problems elsewhere. You have yet to add anything of substance to any thread to which you have posted. The number "9,000" does not appear in this particular thread -- so, sadly you have nothing here to mindlessly dispute for days on end, while missing the main point entirely.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#23 Feb 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, to avoid further embarrassment of yourself, please take your comprehension problems elsewhere. You have yet to add anything of substance to any thread to which you have posted. The number "9,000" does not appear in this particular thread -- so, sadly you have nothing here to mindlessly dispute for days on end, while missing the main point entirely.
The main point is that your "argument" breaks down after one question. The only thing weaker than your inabiity to focus is your ability to develop an opinion based on an intellectual analysis.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#24 Feb 12, 2013
Tip you have made very valid points. The peeps responding to you are FOS. I planned on jumping into the conversation, but the responses to you were so inane, an exercise in futility for me.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#25 Feb 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot with your pathetic euphemisms, paleface?
It is not hateful to recognize the instability intentionally created for a child at the whim of two uncommitted parties.
Interestingly, you progressives laud such behavior in this instance. Meanwhile, you blame conservatives for the exact same issue plaguing the urban youth of America [single mothers]...and then demand that government [i.e., working taxpayers] intervene as provider for those children.
Either way...you're missing the foundational point: neither child enjoys the undeniable benefits of a committed, two-parent family home.
You can't have it both ways.
You are completely missing out on the commitment of both individuals to the child.

While marriages are intended to start out with at least a commitment of two adults to each other, whole lotta kids start out without having two adults committed to being parents.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#26 Feb 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot with your pathetic euphemisms, paleface?
It is not hateful to recognize the instability intentionally created for a child at the whim of two uncommitted parties.
Interestingly, you progressives laud such behavior in this instance. Meanwhile, you blame conservatives for the exact same issue plaguing the urban youth of America [single mothers]...and then demand that government [i.e., working taxpayers] intervene as provider for those children.
Either way...you're missing the foundational point: neither child enjoys the undeniable benefits of a committed, two-parent family home.
You can't have it both ways.
Well, actually the sorts of things most likely to nurture the growth and marriage and two-parent families among the poor include jobs and an end to the school to prison pipeline.

Conservatives talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road they're all just about moral judgment levied on the folks who never had a fair shot to begin with.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#27 Feb 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Mature adults do not INTENTIONALLY create a child outside of a committed, two-parent home.
Selfish, unthinking adults -- and teens -- do.
Well, says you.

The two folks you cited give every appearance of having thought through their situations and arrived at a solution. Further, they have arrived at a point of pretty solid financial stability in all likelihood.

Sounds like they have something to provide in terms of the raising of a child.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#28 Feb 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, actually the sorts of things most likely to nurture the growth and marriage and two-parent families among the poor include jobs and an end to the school to prison pipeline.
Conservatives talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road they're all just about moral judgment levied on the folks who never had a fair shot to begin with.
Your fair shot at your future is the one you make of it regardless of the cards you are dealt. Please recall the story about the student, that was basically abandoned, worked as the school janitor after school, straight A student that ended up with a scholarship to Harvard. We all deal with hardships, you pull up the bootstraps and figure out how to get where you want to be. I've stated before, hubby and I were living paycheck to paycheck when we got married, throwing bills in the air and finagling how to make it with a baby on the way. If you told me 20 years ago that he would be traveling to Italy on business, I would be buying a new $50,000 lexus this past Saturday, traveled to the Caribbean twice a year, I would have said you're FOS. Want to know how we got here? WE did it, no poor me happened 20 years ago. I would have qualified for WIC, I would have qualified for CareSource or whatever they called it back then and today, didn't do it, it never occurred to me to take a handout. WE did it! So take you're poor me attitude for others and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#29 Feb 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
You are completely missing out on the commitment of both individuals to the child.
While marriages are intended to start out with at least a commitment of two adults to each other, whole lotta kids start out without having two adults committed to being parents.
I seem to remember Tippy and his brothers and sisters in arms singing loudly "What's love got to do with it?" when opposing gay marriage.

Now "loving couples" are trotted out as the gilded prerequisite for raising well adjusted children.

woof

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#30 Feb 12, 2013
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>Your fair shot at your future is the one you make of it regardless of the cards you are dealt. Please recall the story about the student, that was basically abandoned, worked as the school janitor after school, straight A student that ended up with a scholarship to Harvard. We all deal with hardships, you pull up the bootstraps and figure out how to get where you want to be. I've stated before, hubby and I were living paycheck to paycheck when we got married, throwing bills in the air and finagling how to make it with a baby on the way. If you told me 20 years ago that he would be traveling to Italy on business, I would be buying a new $50,000 lexus this past Saturday, traveled to the Caribbean twice a year, I would have said you're FOS. Want to know how we got here? WE did it, no poor me happened 20 years ago. I would have qualified for WIC, I would have qualified for CareSource or whatever they called it back then and today, didn't do it, it never occurred to me to take a handout. WE did it! So take you're poor me attitude for others and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Lovely language.

There is a whole package of things that we know make a difference. And if they did not, we wouldn't all fight so hard to see that our children have them.

When you see a whole parcel of people sharing the same or very similar backgrounds, resources, education and the like having similar kinds of outcomes, do you look at all of those things to see if they are making a difference, or do you conclude that this is simply a group of folks who don't want to try very hard?

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#31 Feb 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Lovely language.
There is a whole package of things that we know make a difference. And if they did not, we wouldn't all fight so hard to see that our children have them.
When you see a whole parcel of people sharing the same or very similar backgrounds, resources, education and the like having similar kinds of outcomes, do you look at all of those things to see if they are making a difference, or do you conclude that this is simply a group of folks who don't want to try very hard?
I have the mouth of a sailor, so that was tame for me and could care less what you think of the cuss words that come out of my mouth. Not insinuating that people do not need help, it's gone waaaay to far and you perpetuate that line of thinking. Too many excuses these days as to why I can't as opposed to what can I do for myself. It's easier to reap entitlements than to go flip a burger and earn an honest wage. 20 years ago hubby worked 3 jobs to make ends meet. That mentality is gone due to people like you that want to coddle.

“Hi-Yo Silver! Away!”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#32 Feb 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot with your pathetic euphemisms, paleface?
It is not hateful to recognize the instability intentionally created for a child at the whim of two uncommitted parties.
Interestingly, you progressives laud such behavior in this instance. Meanwhile, you blame conservatives for the exact same issue plaguing the urban youth of America [single mothers]...and then demand that government [i.e., working taxpayers] intervene as provider for those children.
Either way...you're missing the foundational point: neither child enjoys the undeniable benefits of a committed, two-parent family home.
You can't have it both ways.
It's metaphor, Einstein, not euphemism.

It was silly of me to expect a filthy conservative to know the difference.

Carry on in your hateful delusions.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#33 Feb 12, 2013
GlitterSucks wrote:
<quoted text>I have the mouth of a sailor, so that was tame for me and could care less what you think of the cuss words that come out of my mouth. Not insinuating that people do not need help, it's gone waaaay to far and you perpetuate that line of thinking. Too many excuses these days as to why I can't as opposed to what can I do for myself. It's easier to reap entitlements than to go flip a burger and earn an honest wage. 20 years ago hubby worked 3 jobs to make ends meet. That mentality is gone due to people like you that want to coddle.
20 years ago it was easier to "reap entitlements" than it is now. Although then as now, adults without children, unless they have disabilities, are pretty much ineligible except for food stamps. Also probably somewhat easier to acquire 3 jobs.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#35 Feb 12, 2013
Of course, Pat Robertson has all the answers:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/roberts...

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#36 Feb 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
You are completely missing out on the commitment of both individuals to the child.
While marriages are intended to start out with at least a commitment of two adults to each other, whole lotta kids start out without having two adults committed to being parents.
And you are missing out on the plain fact that the children of these avowed non-committed individuals will never see themselves as a product of, or witness the model of, a mother and father committed to each other and to their children for the benefit of the family unit, willing to sacrifice and celebrate, as a team, through thick and thin.

Instead, what these children will realize is that they are the product of two virtual strangers who once contracted with each other solely for the purpose of creating that child for their very separate and very individual purposes.

For a married couple to divorce and relegate their child to a once-weekly visit with Dad is sad enough. For two virtual strangers to intentionally create a child relegated to such a life from birth is reprehensible.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#37 Feb 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, actually the sorts of things most likely to nurture the growth and marriage and two-parent families among the poor include jobs and an end to the school to prison pipeline.
Conservatives talk a good game, but when the rubber hits the road they're all just about moral judgment levied on the folks who never had a fair shot to begin with.
That theory crashed and burned with Glitter's post.
Kudos to her and her husband for persevering...for the sake of their family.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#38 Feb 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
And you are missing out on the plain fact that the children of these avowed non-committed individuals will never see themselves as a product of, or witness the model of, a mother and father committed to each other and to their children for the benefit of the family unit, willing to sacrifice and celebrate, as a team, through thick and thin.
Instead, what these children will realize is that they are the product of two virtual strangers who once contracted with each other solely for the purpose of creating that child for their very separate and very individual purposes.
For a married couple to divorce and relegate their child to a once-weekly visit with Dad is sad enough. For two virtual strangers to intentionally create a child relegated to such a life from birth is reprehensible.
What's the difference to the kid?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#39 Feb 12, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, says you.
The two folks you cited give every appearance of having thought through their situations and arrived at a solution. Further, they have arrived at a point of pretty solid financial stability in all likelihood.
Sounds like they have something to provide in terms of the raising of a child.
These two virtual strangers "arrived at a solution" that was solely convenient for themselves.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#40 Feb 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
What's the difference to the kid?
in abortion....life or death
all your other talk has no meaning

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#41 Feb 12, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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What's the difference to the kid?
You must be kidding.

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