Sequester cuts hit poor, elderly, cancer patients

Jun 15, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: WBNS

In March, as the sweeping $85 billion reductions known as sequestration kicked in, President Barack Obama called them "stupid" and "arbitrary" and said they could thwart economic progress.

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Obama was the one who told the auto worker industry that they were going to have to suffer by giving up their jobs for the good of the country
Apparently my google skills have suddenly failed because I can't even find this one. Could you be a dear and find it for me?

Look, if you don't want people to chide you for sounding ignorant, do a half second of research before making a claim.

State to yourself what the issue is.
"I think Obama is spending more than other presidents are on travel"

Then test that through some questions.
"How much is he spending and why?"
"How much did other presidents spend and why?"
"What were the contexts of each?"

Then, if you don't know the answers to these questions, google them.

Ta-da! Informed exchange is now ready to happen. It's easy, fun and helps develop skills that will keep you sounding clever far into your life.
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Apparently my google skills have suddenly failed because I can't even find this one. Could you be a dear and find it for me?
Look, if you don't want people to chide you for sounding ignorant, do a half second of research before making a claim.
State to yourself what the issue is.
"I think Obama is spending more than other presidents are on travel"
Then test that through some questions.
"How much is he spending and why?"
"How much did other presidents spend and why?"
"What were the contexts of each?"
Then, if you don't know the answers to these questions, google them.
Ta-da! Informed exchange is now ready to happen. It's easy, fun and helps develop skills that will keep you sounding clever far into your life.
Seriously - you're going to lecture me on Googling when you can't even find an Obama quote from a speech made in Ohio?
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By the way, Google is highly manipulated. That you seem to want people to use it exclusively for research is laughable.
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tranpsosition wrote:
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Apparently my google skills have suddenly failed because I can't even find this one. Could you be a dear and find it for me?
Look, if you don't want people to chide you for sounding ignorant, do a half second of research before making a claim.
State to yourself what the issue is.
"I think Obama is spending more than other presidents are on travel"
Then test that through some questions.
"How much is he spending and why?"
"How much did other presidents spend and why?"
"What were the contexts of each?"
Then, if you don't know the answers to these questions, google them.
Ta-da! Informed exchange is now ready to happen. It's easy, fun and helps develop skills that will keep you sounding clever far into your life.
Well if it isn't mrs Green teeth spewing her pro communist sh1t on Columbus Topix

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Yeah, it's a bit mad. I can't find any quote to the effect of having told someone that they'll have to suffer by giving up their jobs. Since you distinctly recall this statement being made could you find it or offer some more information that would make finding it possible? It does seem like a very strange thing for any politician to have said, so I'm quite interested in it.

I would much rather people put in the time to do high value research.

It just doesn't seem likely to happen in exchanges where there isn't a compelling interest. It's just not worth investing the time.

And google (or another search engine, if preferred!) does fairly well for helping people discover the basics and interact with facts that can help them grapple with their biases or preconceptions. It's far from quality research but it can stop people from making stupid claims a lot of the time!

If you're interested in higher value research, I'm happy to give you a list of my favorite resources.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say about google's manipulation. Do you feel that SEO techniques would prevent you from finding useful information?
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I got government cheese in the seventies. Let's discuss how that happened. Who was the president at that time? What time did he eat dinner? Did he eat government cheese, or Velveeta? If he ate Velveeta, did his staff purchase it at a grocery store using coupons? If so, what percentage did that save the taxpayers? What percentage of his budget went toward the cheese used for his dinner, and how much of that percentage was used at each meal? For purposes of discussion, we'll exclude any amount of cheese eaten for snacks. Now let's compare that to....

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Yeah, it's a bit mad. I can't find any quote to the effect of having told someone that they'll have to suffer by giving up their jobs. Since you distinctly recall this statement being made could you find it or offer some more information that would make finding it possible? It does seem like a very strange thing for any politician to have said, so I'm quite interested in it.
I would much rather people put in the time to do high value research.
It just doesn't seem likely to happen in exchanges where there isn't a compelling interest. It's just not worth investing the time.
And google (or another search engine, if preferred!) does fairly well for helping people discover the basics and interact with facts that can help them grapple with their biases or preconceptions. It's far from quality research but it can stop people from making stupid claims a lot of the time!
If you're interested in higher value research, I'm happy to give you a list of my favorite resources.
I don't quite understand what you're trying to say about google's manipulation. Do you feel that SEO techniques would prevent you from finding useful information?
Gawd. Perhaps if you lived in Ohio instead of the UK, you would distinctly remember and wouldn't feel the need to have to do an internet search.

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I got government cheese in the seventies. Let's discuss how that happened. Who was the president at that time? What time did he eat dinner? Did he eat government cheese, or Velveeta? If he ate Velveeta, did his staff purchase it at a grocery store using coupons? If so, what percentage did that save the taxpayers? What percentage of his budget went toward the cheese used for his dinner, and how much of that percentage was used at each meal? For purposes of discussion, we'll exclude any amount of cheese eaten for snacks. Now let's compare that to....
GAWD.
You don't need to include the process in the exchange. The process is just intended to make sure that you're aware of the facts behind the claims you intend to make.

If you wanted to make a claim that the president's travel in inappropriate and unprecedented, first checking to see what the state of his travel was and what the precedents were could have kept you from making untrue claims which undermine your ability to contribute to the larger themes you may be trying to build upon.

You're welcome to make claims without having the facts, but should be aware that in doing so and being incorrect in your claims, that it won't support your arguments or credibility.

This isn't difficult stuff. You already know this.

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Gawd. Perhaps if you lived in Ohio instead of the UK, you would distinctly remember and wouldn't feel the need to have to do an internet search.
I'm sorry to sound a bit forward but given your trend towards inaccuracy and the rather farfetched nature of the exchange you've described, I would be rather surprised if the quote existed.

Memory can be slippery. The same way you "knew" that no other presidents have engaged in this level of travel spending, you may "remember" the exchange differently than it happened.

All our processing and recall is colored by our biases. The best thing we can do is recognize that they exist and work to challenge ourselves through research and accuracy.

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Maybe the liberal machine should stop taking Hundred Million Dollar vacations and help cancer patients a little more.
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I'm sorry to sound a bit forward but given your trend towards inaccuracy and the rather farfetched nature of the exchange you've described, I would be rather surprised if the quote existed.
Memory can be slippery. The same way you "knew" that no other presidents have engaged in this level of travel spending, you may "remember" the exchange differently than it happened.
All our processing and recall is colored by our biases. The best thing we can do is recognize that they exist and work to challenge ourselves through research and accuracy.
Let me get this straight. I didn't provide the quote, you didn't have the skills to find it, so you have written me off as having a slippery memory and a trend toward inaccuracy? How very haughty of you.
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This might be a good overall starting point, brought to you by the Communist party in Canada:

"For U.S. workers, Obama's deed of demanding concessions from autoworkers as a means to restructure the automobile industry is a continuation of the capital-centred deeds of previous administrations. Obama's deed does not represent "change" or "hope," it does not represent anything new that could be remotely considered human-centred. This anti-worker deed stems from the same theories of Bush and other representatives of owners of capital, which consider the human factor in the socialized economy as chattel and a negative cost of production. This view of the working class as a form of chattel labour is in keeping with the historic roots of U.S. political economy that for decades legally held people of African descent as chattel slaves. To consider workers as chattel labour does not represent a change of U.S. political economy let alone give any hope to the U.S. working class that it may be viewed by the Obama administration as something other than chattel and a cost of production. The U.S. working class, which descends from peoples of the entire world including Africans who were once regarded legally as chattel slaves in the same United States, is not comforted by the deed of President Obama requiring autoworkers to give concessions during this economic crisis. The U.S. President makes it clear from this deed that workers themselves must fight for their dignity and to guarantee their well-being and the rights of all. Workers must organize and fight for the dignity of the human factor, which is responsible for transforming raw material into use-value and providing the material blessings of modern mass production, just as chattel slaves fought for their dignity."

http://www.cpcml.ca/Tmld2009/D39036.htm
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I'm sorry to sound a bit forward but given your trend towards inaccuracy and the rather farfetched nature of the exchange you've described, I would be rather surprised if the quote existed.
Memory can be slippery. The same way you "knew" that no other presidents have engaged in this level of travel spending, you may "remember" the exchange differently than it happened.
All our processing and recall is colored by our biases. The best thing we can do is recognize that they exist and work to challenge ourselves through research and accuracy.
GAWD.

Yanno, you're right. I remember my grandparents talking about the worldwide family vacations that politicians took during the depression. And oh yeah, I remember the Carters taking outlandish vacations while we were all eating government cheese (in fact, while I didn't care for Carter as president I did admire that they tried to at least give the appearance of caring).
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Let me get this straight. I didn't provide the quote, you didn't have the skills to find it, so you have written me off as having a slippery memory and a trend toward inaccuracy? How very haughty of you.
Can't find what doesn't exist.
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And the practical kernel of his speech came in his repeated calls for “sacrifice” for the common good.

Sacrifice by whom? Nowhere in Obama’s whole speech did he call on corporations to forego their profits, rather than lay off a worker, or for banks to forego their profits, rather than foreclose on another mortgage.

But he did call for “the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours – that is, cut their pay – than see a friend lose his job.”

http://the-spark.net/np838101.html
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Chrysler, Obama take the truth about plant closings for a spin

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And the practical kernel of his speech came in his repeated calls for “sacrifice” for the common good.
Sacrifice by whom? Nowhere in Obama’s whole speech did he call on corporations to forego their profits, rather than lay off a worker, or for banks to forego their profits, rather than foreclose on another mortgage.
But he did call for “the selflessness of workers who would rather cut their hours – that is, cut their pay – than see a friend lose his job.”
http://the-spark.net/np838101.html
The Spark seems to be referencing this speech.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/20/us/politics...

I'm not really seeing anything to the effect oftelling worker that they'll just have to make a sacrifice of their jobs.

I do read, again and again, the call for a collective, difficult effort to repair economic damage and move forward through hard work. Could you have read these sections in a way that let you remember them in a very different form?

He does seem to talk about the larger entities responsible for the crisis several times, such as the banks you've mentioned("But this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control. The nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous.,. Our economy is badly weakened, a consequence of greed and irresponsibility on the part of some but also our collective failure to make hard choices and prepare the nation for a new age.")

The only time I'm seeing sacrifice mentioned is in the act of continuing to build something ("Time and again these men and women struggled and sacrificed and worked till their hands were raw so that we might live a better life. They saw America as bigger than the sum of our individual ambitions; greater than all the differences of birth or wealth or faction.")

And directly references the need to make personal economic growth for normal individuals a priority over wealth development("But this crisis has reminded us that without a watchful eye, the market can spin out of control. The nation cannot prosper long when it favors only the prosperous. The success of our economy has always depended not just on the size of our gross domestic product, but on the reach of our prosperity; on the ability to extend opportunity to every willing heart -- not out of charity, but because it is the surest route to our common good.")

We could continue to examine the text, but maybe it would be easier for you to highlight the portions that you find offensive, rather than me running a close reading to show you that you're remember quote isn't in here?

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GAWD.
Yanno, you're right. I remember my grandparents talking about the worldwide family vacations that politicians took during the depression. And oh yeah, I remember the Carters taking outlandish vacations while we were all eating government cheese (in fact, while I didn't care for Carter as president I did admire that they tried to at least give the appearance of caring).
I think this conversation is going to be very difficult if you don't yet understand how travel patterns and especially travel patterns of the US presidents have changed since the 1930s. To see extensive foreign travel during that period would have been both hampered by the technology, the culture surrounding international travel, the very different understanding of the presidential role and increasing globalization of American interests.

Having said that, if you don't remember the Carter presidency as one heavy with international travel, I fear that you may be having a difficult time with memory. While Regan is popularly credited with setting the scale of modern international travel demands for the presidency, Carter also traveled extensively while in office. The idea of tours of state, or combining state travel with highly documented sightseeing intended to achieve a number of goals, has been part of the presidency since modern travel made it possible, going back to at least Widrow Wilson (though as we've examined in the first paragraph, these travels were less extensive than modern presidental travel itineraries for the reasons listed above).
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This might be a good overall starting point, brought to you by the Communist party in Canada:
"For U.S. workers, Obama's deed of demanding concessions from autoworkers as a means to restructure the automobile industry is a continuation of the capital-centred deeds of previous administrations. Obama's deed does not represent "change" or "hope," it does not represent anything new that could be remotely considered human-centred. This anti-worker deed stems from the same theories of Bush and other representatives of owners of capital, which consider the human factor in the socialized economy as chattel and a negative cost of production. This view of the working class as a form of chattel labour is in keeping with the historic roots of U.S. political economy that for decades legally held people of African descent as chattel slaves. To consider workers as chattel labour does not represent a change of U.S. political economy let alone give any hope to the U.S. working class that it may be viewed by the Obama administration as something other than chattel and a cost of production. The U.S. working class, which descends from peoples of the entire world including Africans who were once regarded legally as chattel slaves in the same United States, is not comforted by the deed of President Obama requiring autoworkers to give concessions during this economic crisis. The U.S. President makes it clear from this deed that workers themselves must fight for their dignity and to guarantee their well-being and the rights of all. Workers must organize and fight for the dignity of the human factor, which is responsible for transforming raw material into use-value and providing the material blessings of modern mass production, just as chattel slaves fought for their dignity."
http://www.cpcml.ca/Tmld2009/D39036.htm
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20% of Ohio is not getting enough to eat - the highest percentage ever. Those that are still lucky enough to have jobs are often underemployed. Even picking up extra work, it is difficult to afford the constant increases in insurance, food, gasoline, utilities - the basics. Meanwhile, I'm not to notice that Barack Obama wants to go on safari with his family and spent $60-$100M to do so?
Are you equally mad at the lifestyles of the CEOs of the insurance companies, food companies, oil companies and utility companies? They seem to be doing quite well.

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