created by: American Patriot | Jan 12, 2013

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Are you in favor of a ban on assault style rifles?

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Jan 18, 2013
 
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You seem to be selectively refusing to read the words "is a regulatory crime." You also seem to not understand that the issue in the case was bail, not the constitutionality of a restriction on firearm possession. In fact, the constitutionality of the restriction on possession is sooooooo obvious, it is not even discussed.
Like I said, cognitive dissonance.
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<quoted text>I believe you are confused. The only reason why yelling fire in a theater would be a limit is because the result would obviously be a panic. This is because of theaters being notoriously a death trap in the past in which they are not now. Without that context, the entire example falls apart. It's a dated example. The entire point of the example was what would happen because of the speech. It did not suggest anyone do anything illegal, it did not suggest anyone do anything specific. What it did was create an alarm and panic the crowd and served no other purpose then doing so. It is the results of the speech that can make the speech illegal, not the speech itself.
The only other example you brought up which might be the speech itself is the obscenity. The rest are due to the likelihood of violating the laws or harming persons as a result of the content of the speech. You and I conspiring on how to rob a bank is not illegal, we can even print it in a book without retribution. But when either you or I gather the tools or take steps to bring that conspiracy to action, then we have problems. Do you see how this works?
The justification for the limitation on constitutional rights really doesn't matter. The fact is that constitutional rights can be limited. Get it?
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Right...a gun-related case has "nothing to do with the 2nd amendment whatsoever."
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No.

A case involving whether a procedural rule requires a hearing before a defendant is bonded out pending trial is not a 2nd Amendment case.

Where do you practice law?

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Jan 18, 2013
 
FKA Reader wrote:
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Reader's Law
The claims of wealth by Topix posters is inversely related to the intelligence of their posts.
My law, I don't care what you think.:)

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No.
A case involving whether a procedural rule requires a hearing before a defendant is bonded out pending trial is not a 2nd Amendment case.
Where do you practice law?
woof
Any case referencing possession of a firearm comprises the body of law related to the Second Amendment.
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Possession of a gun [in this case, an "illegal" gun] was deemed not to be "dangerous."
In fact, possession was deemed to be "passive and victimless," with the Judge restating the plain fact that "it is the unlawful USE of a firearm that involves a substantial risk that physical force against another may result."
Citizen possession of firearms is guaranteed by the Second Amendment.
Nothing -- outside of criminal USE -- should "infringe" that constitutional right.
You may be the most obtuse and obstinate person I have ever encountered. I have never seen someone so married to such an absolutely wrong opinion in the face of such overwhelming information to the contrary. It is pathological and fascinating.
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When the constitution was written, double barrel shotguns didn't exist. A clockwork gun was prohibitively expensive and quite a rare item. So, 99,999 out of every 100,000 arms that were possessed and in use at the time of the constitution could only fire a single shot at a time. Even a double barrel musket could only fire a shot at a time. Granted two shots should be fired with rapid succession but again, these were rare beasts.
I get it now, you agree with me when your stupidity is pointed out and you disagree with me just for pointing out said stupidity.
Dude, you're exposing yourself all alone, keep going, I can see the streaks you missed while attempting to wipe.
A double barrel shotgun most certainly did exist. look up a double barrel blunderbus. As for the costs of the guns, it doesn't matter, they existed and the founders knew of them. A semi automatic can only fire one shot at a time too. You are failing miserable again. Just because you imagine it so does not make it so.

As for the agreement/disagreement. As I clearly laid the case in the other thread when I exposed you for a shallow idiot, nothing is all or nothing. I do not disagree with everything you say because I disagree with one thing you say. Get fucking real man. Seek some damn help or something. People are right on certain things then sometimes wrong on others. No grow up and pretend to be an adult.
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Jan 18, 2013
 
-tip- wrote:
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Any case referencing possession of a firearm comprises the body of law related to the Second Amendment.
Are you on drugs?

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-tip- wrote:
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Right...a gun-related case has "nothing to do with the 2nd amendment whatsoever."
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The first thing that you have said that is actually accurate. Good job.
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Jan 18, 2013
 
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Ahh, backing off of your allegation when presented with overwhelming evidence. You have to be related to Zero.
Um, you proved the other day that you have no clue what wealth is, if I gave you a nickel, you'd only need 1 more to have two to rub together.
I'm not backing off anything. Saying "hi jack" is not a crime or anything alarming anywhere. Saying it when no one named jack is around to random strangers is purposely attempting to cause a panic due to the similarities between the greeting and the crime. I have always said it was the results of the speech and not the speech itself. The only thing inconsistent here is your inability to comprehend what you are reading.

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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You may be the most obtuse and obstinate person I have ever encountered. I have never seen someone so married to such an absolutely wrong opinion in the face of such overwhelming information to the contrary. It is pathological and fascinating.
In other words, you got nothin'.
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Unlike you, I acknowledge the utter absurdity of the law deeming a gun to be "illegal" when a judge acknowledges the following plain fact:
"That a person possesses a firearm without a valid license does not itself pose a substantial risk that physical force against another may result. Rather, it is the unlawful use of a firearm that involves a substantial risk that physical force against another may result."
Cognitive dissonance.
Was the defendant in that case found guilty?
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Kosmik wrote:
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You've never even read the second amendment, have you?
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
What was that you were saying about a state run militia being prohibited?
It was the federal government who was not to keep a standing army.
I guess you have never read the constitution have you, no state is allowed to have a standing army or ship of war in times of peace. At the time of the creation and adoption of the US constitution, we were at peace. Go ahead and read it, it's still there, it wasn't written using disappearing ink or anything. It has nothing to do with a state militia and everything to with an individual right.

Perhaps you would be better off taking some time to learn a few things before you get back to trolling? You would look a lot less silly
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Do we regulate the sale of alcohol?
Yes we do regulate the sale of alcohol and the constitution specifically provides for that.
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If the issue of alcohol is left entirely to the states, then why, in 1987 or so did the feds raise the national drinking age to 21 and threatened to cut off highway funding to any state that didn't comply? With great success, I might add.
The feds didn't set any minimum drinking age, they threatend states of withholding revenue for highway and other projects if they did not. There is no federal drinking age outside of military regulation. The reason they had to do it this way was because they had absolutely no authority to impose a minimum age on alcohol, it was a right specifically left to the states.

But fuck dude, I though you were supposed to be smart or something? The constitutional amendment has it right there for all to see. Again, you pretend nothing else in the constitution matters.
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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You are the one who said you were a 50 year old high school dropout. Are you saying you are a liar?
I'm saying a lot of things. Time's running out on this investment opportunity. I fear you will regret it if you do not take it seriously.
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Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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The justification for the limitation on constitutional rights really doesn't matter. The fact is that constitutional rights can be limited. Get it?
Are you the trained little liberal. What part of it is not illegal to say something do you not understand. Hell even recently, a court ruled that flipping a cop off and has long held insulting them is not illegal

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Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>A double barrel shotgun most certainly did exist. look up a double barrel blunderbus. As for the costs of the guns, it doesn't matter, they existed and the founders knew of them. A semi automatic can only fire one shot at a time too. You are failing miserable again. Just because you imagine it so does not make it so.
As for the agreement/disagreement. As I clearly laid the case in the other thread when I exposed you for a shallow idiot, nothing is all or nothing. I do not disagree with everything you say because I disagree with one thing you say. Get fucking real man. Seek some damn help or something. People are right on certain things then sometimes wrong on others. No grow up and pretend to be an adult.
Read and learn:

The early history of true shotguns begins in the 1800s, when people began to use them to hunt birds. During that time, the flintlock firing mechanism was the ignition system of choice and hence, it should be no surprise to know that early shotguns used them. The problem with such mechanisms is that there is a noticeable delay between pulling the trigger and the weapon actually discharging. The Rev. Alexander Forsythe, a Scottish clergyman and an avid hunter, noticed that the local birds would see the flame in the pan and immediately change direction and thereby escape. Hence, he set about inventing the percussion lock, which was the next big development in firearms technology and was also used by other firearms besides shotguns. The percussion lock was eventually replaced by modern cartridges, which we use to this day.

http://firearmshistory.blogspot.com/2011/02/s...

Wanna quit being an anus and get back on topic?

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Jan 18, 2013
 
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text>I'm not backing off anything. Saying "hi jack" is not a crime or anything alarming anywhere. Saying it when no one named jack is around to random strangers is purposely attempting to cause a panic due to the similarities between the greeting and the crime. I have always said it was the results of the speech and not the speech itself. The only thing inconsistent here is your inability to comprehend what you are reading.
Don't look now but you're proving my point. Saying the words 'hi' and 'jack' together anywhere near an airport will get you in trouble. What if you, wait, you'll have to pretend here, had a friend and that friends name happened to be Jack.

With this hypothetical scenario, we're also pretending that you have enough money to use air travel and you've actually got somewhere to go. Okay, now you're about to board the plane and you see a guy that looks exactly like your friend and you shout the greeting "hi Jack" meaning no harm, you could even say "Hey Jack"

See what happens. You actually thought you were greeting your friend mistakenly.

Would you make your flight?

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Jan 18, 2013
 
tranpsosition wrote:
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Crime has indeed been falling. While deaths from firearms have grown from roughly 27,000 in 2000 to roughly 33,000 in 2012.
Cherry-picking data I see. Whether a gun related crime is fatal or not depends on whether a gun was fired AND how good the aim was. Total gun related crimes have fallen for the last 20 years...

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/glance/firea...

... DESPITE record new gun sales.

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