Must Read! In Conversation: Antonin Scalia

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Enzyte Bob

United States

#1 Oct 7, 2013
Great article!

You believe in heaven and hell?
Oh, of course I do. Donít you believe in heaven and hell?

Isnít it terribly frightening to believe in the Devil?
Youíre looking at me as though Iím weird. My God! Are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the Devil? I mean, Jesus Christ believed in the Devil! Itís in the Gospels! You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the Devil! Most of mankind has believed in the Devil, for all of history. Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the Devil.

http://nymag.com/news/features/antonin-scalia...
Enzyte Bob

United States

#2 Oct 7, 2013
Yes. Three. Did you watch The ≠Sopranos? Mad Men?
I watched The Sopranos, I saw a couple of episodes of Mad Men. I loved Seinfeld. In fact, I got some CDs of Seinfeld.≠Seinfeld was hilarious. Oh, boy. The Nazi soup kitchen? No soup for you!

...

Heroic.
Oh, my goodness. I have no idea. You know, for all I know, 50 years from now I may be the Justice Sutherland of the late-twentieth and early-21st century, whoís regarded as:ďHe was on the losing side of everything, an old fogey, the old view.Ē And I donít care.

Do you think youíre headed in that direction?
I have no idea. There are those who think I am, Iím sure. I can see that happening, just as some of the justices in the early years of the New Deal are now painted as old fogies. It can happen.

Wow, itís amazing your mind even went there. I ask about a triumph, and you give me another answer entirely, about the possibility of failure. I was expecting you to end on a high note. Do you want to try another stab at a heroic decision?
Heroic is probably the wrong word. I mean the most heroic opinionómaybe the only heroic opinion I ever issuedó was my statement refusing to recuse.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#3 Oct 7, 2013
Q: So whatís he [Devil] doing now?

SCALIA: What heís doing now is getting people not to believe in him or in God. Heís much more successful that way.

***

Indeed.

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

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#4 Oct 7, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Great article!
You believe in heaven and hell?
Oh, of course I do. Donít you believe in heaven and hell?
Isnít it terribly frightening to believe in the Devil?
Youíre looking at me as though Iím weird. My God! Are you so out of touch with most of America, most of which believes in the Devil? I mean, Jesus Christ believed in the Devil! Itís in the Gospels! You travel in circles that are so, so removed from mainstream America that you are appalled that anybody would believe in the Devil! Most of mankind has believed in the Devil, for all of history. Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the Devil.
http://nymag.com/news/features/antonin-scalia...
Hmmm!
He's certainly honest about his Catholic beliefs.
The devil......a real person?
I believe evil exists but not in the real sense of a real man.
He's sort of weird in his own little way. Lol, aren't we all?
What say you Bob?
Enzyte Bob

United States

#5 Oct 7, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Q: So whatís he [Devil] doing now?
SCALIA: What heís doing now is getting people not to believe in him or in God. Heís much more successful that way.
***
Indeed.
The money quote for me: Many more intelligent people than you or me have believed in the Devil.

Not to mention the humility it shows. Obama's done nothing and that qualifies him as a genius. Here we have one of the great (and unconventional) legal thinkers of our time and its refreshing not to see chest thumping.
Enzyte Bob

United States

#6 Oct 7, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
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Hmmm!
He's certainly honest about his Catholic beliefs.
The devil......a real person?
I believe evil exists but not in the real sense of a real man.
He's sort of weird in his own little way. Lol, aren't we all?
What say you Bob?
I had a great response but my stupid phone froze. Will try to recreate my brilliant insight later ... Though in hindsight I doubt it will seem so brilliant.

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#7 Oct 7, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I had a great response but my stupid phone froze. Will try to recreate my brilliant insight later ... Though in hindsight I doubt it will seem so brilliant.
Ok
When I was growing up,I did believe the devil was a real being......
I do believe in Heaven, though.
Tazzie

France

#8 Oct 7, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
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Ok
When I was growing up,I did believe the devil was a real being......
I do believe in Heaven, though.
My dad told me lots of stories about the Devil when i was a lil girl
but he never mentioned hell he said the Devil lived in the White House.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#9 Oct 7, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
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Ok
When I was growing up,I did believe the devil was a real being......
I do believe in Heaven, though.
If God is real the why not the Devil?
Enzyte Bob

United States

#10 Oct 7, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
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Ok
When I was growing up,I did believe the devil was a real being......
I do believe in Heaven, though.
I don't know what to believe, to tell you the truth.

What is "evil?" It seems to me that most "evil" results from mental defects and/or from abuse.

Maybe "hell" is just a dump where all the defectives go? Like a scrapyard? Who knows?

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

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#11 Oct 7, 2013
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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If God is real the why not the Devil?
I believe evil exists but do you believe a real being is THE devil?
I believe in heaven and evil forces! but a real man as the devil....not so much.
Thoughts, spook?

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

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#13 Oct 7, 2013
RU_Kiddingme wrote:
L'enfer, c'est les autres.
You got that right!
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#14 Oct 7, 2013
One writes the devil-a real person? Then wrote I did believe the devil is a real being.
I surmise by that you believe person and being is two different entities.
Before going further, I want to iterate I am not being argumentative. I frankly am tired of all the argumentation that degenerates into flat out name calling and would like to engage in some discussionness without the argumentation.
I believe there are other beings beside mankind and the de'il himself is a being, a being called satanail by some while he is satan to others.
BizzyBee keeps interchanging the words being and man. I must truthfully say all mankind are beings but not all beings are mankind.
Spook wrote, if God is real why not the devil? How would one convince the devil is a real being if they don't believe God is a real being?
Then there are others who say they believe in God but not the devil. Some say they believe in a heaven but no hell. I know this is a lot of different ideas and phrases but all interconnect.

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

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#15 Oct 7, 2013
dunadd wrote:
One writes the devil-a real person? Then wrote I did believe the devil is a real being.
I surmise by that you believe person and being is two different entities.
Before going further, I want to iterate I am not being argumentative. I frankly am tired of all the argumentation that degenerates into flat out name calling and would like to engage in some discussionness without the argumentation.
I believe there are other beings beside mankind and the de'il himself is a being, a being called satanail by some while he is satan to others.
BizzyBee keeps interchanging the words being and man. I must truthfully say all mankind are beings but not all beings are mankind.
Spook wrote, if God is real why not the devil? How would one convince the devil is a real being if they don't believe God is a real being?
Then there are others who say they believe in God but not the devil. Some say they believe in a heaven but no hell. I know this is a lot of different ideas and phrases but all interconnect.
Yes you're right...that just goes to show all of us that everyone has their own beliefs about religion, life, and philosophy.
Thanks for your input!
Enzyte Bob

United States

#16 Oct 7, 2013
@dunadd - As an Eastern Catholic who knows a little more than average about Christianity, there are several things you must consider which are going to be hard to articulate on a smartphone.

1. Christianity in its original form is supposed to be a bit more of a spiritual experience that often can't be reduced to words, rules and logic. Think Latin mass even.

2. Words lose meaning in translation.

3. Words and phrases don't mean the same things to all people.

4. The bible is like the law in that not every lay person can derive meaning from the text. You also have to be educated and know the history and context in order to understand the try meaning.

5. Christianity talks about itself in the context of being "mysteries" that reveal themselves over time and when God reveals them.

6. I don't think Christianity can be practiced the way it is supposed to be practiced given the modern noisy society we live in. You almost need to live more primatively to experience the spiritual aspect.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#17 Oct 7, 2013
Thank you, Enzyte Bob, for the input.
If you don't mind I will take one point at a time.
As a person who has studied for over 6 decades and delved into Holy Scriptures for 45 years, I also know a little more than average about Christianity in particular and religions in general among other things.
Christianity in its original form. That is the reason I go back as far as possible to read the earliest forms of Christian writings I can find. I use as my daily devotions the CJB, Complete Jewish Bible, as it has the Scriptures in their closest forms to the original.
I can on a personal basis vouch for your more of a spiritual experience. Being the world uses the term Christian very loosely, I am Born Again by the blood of whom most call Jesus Christ and whom I call Yeshua Mashiach, Jesus Christ being from the Greek while Yeshua Mashiach being the Hebrew. No, I am not Jewish although they are my cousins. I like your words more of a spiritual experience that often can't be reduced to words, rules and logic.
I have been to latin mass and even though I understood not a word, it was a very reverential time.

“PLANET EARTH”

Since: Apr 10

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#18 Oct 7, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
@dunadd - As an Eastern Catholic who knows a little more than average about Christianity, there are several things you must consider which are going to be hard to articulate on a smartphone.
1. Christianity in its original form is supposed to be a bit more of a spiritual experience that often can't be reduced to words, rules and logic. Think Latin mass even.
2. Words lose meaning in translation.
3. Words and phrases don't mean the same things to all people.
4. The bible is like the law in that not every lay person can derive meaning from the text. You also have to be educated and know the history and context in order to understand the try meaning.
5. Christianity talks about itself in the context of being "mysteries" that reveal themselves over time and when God reveals them.
6. I don't think Christianity can be practiced the way it is supposed to be practiced given the modern noisy society we live in. You almost need to live more primatively to experience the spiritual aspect.
That is very well said.
I believe a person has his own meanings and experiences when praying and evolves around personal experiences in his/her individual life. Some derive more than others, the spirit of praying,and or meditating.

Growing up we were taught God will strike you dead should you miss mass or commit a sin.
Today the teaching has made an about face to teaching that God is a loving God.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#19 Oct 7, 2013
Words lose meaning in translation. Yes indeed, again that is the reason I try to go back as far a I can in translations.
Those who use the KJV today are using a slightly different version than the KJV of 1611. The KJV was retranslated in the 1890s and again in the 1950s and is a little different. when preaching this past Thursday, I told the people read their versions while I was reading from the 1611 version, telling them it would be slightly different.
Yes, words of 1611 are different somewhat than 2013 words.
Enzyte Bob

United States

#21 Oct 7, 2013
@dunadd - I think everybody is striving for the same thing just expressed differently. I believe lifestyle and family oriented personal habits are more important than following a set of rules. That said, I acknowledge where those personal habits come from but prefer to have them passed down culturally as opposed to "rules" you have to follow.

That said I understand that some people have to be given a set of rules to follow before it becomes natural habit and second nature to the person ... Just sitting @ Starbucks tapping out random thoughts.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#22 Oct 7, 2013
BizzyBee wrote:
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I believe evil exists but do you believe a real being is THE devil?
I believe in heaven and evil forces! but a real man as the devil....not so much.
Thoughts, spook?
Not a man nut a being.

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