“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#65 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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I ally expect you to better capable of some of the other posters. I'm a bit let down..
The effects were processed through the statistical weighting of known risk factors to account for the effect of the known risk factors (here weight at the inception of the study, race, income and start of puberty). This is all covered, rather exhaustively, in the methods section of the study.
I really just don't understand how so many adults can get so far in life without understanding very basic concepts of functional science or research.
People are not statistics. One does not succumb to risk factors simply because the statistics say so.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#66 May 2, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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People are not statistics. One does not succumb to risk factors simply because the statistics say so.
While this sounds harsh, that's impossibly moronic. You've got the observation process turned completely around.

Statistical data documents the factors that effect a queried population, it doesn't cause the effect being documented for an individual or population.

Rather than claiming to cause the effect, risk factors documented through statistical analysis aim to demonstrate the level to which the observed factors impact the level of risk in outcomes. Which is pretty common sense, data on risk factors documenting the level of risk that those factors carry.

I'm thinking that you must be deliberately refusing to engage with the data. You're not stupid. I just have no idea why you're pretending to be.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#67 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
While this sounds harsh, that's impossibly moronic. You've got the observation process turned completely around.
Statistical data documents the factors that effect a queried population, it doesn't cause the effect being documented for an individual or population.
Rather than claiming to cause the effect, risk factors documented through statistical analysis aim to demonstrate the level to which the observed factors impact the level of risk in outcomes. Which is pretty common sense, data on risk factors documenting the level of risk that those factors carry.
I'm thinking that you must be deliberately refusing to engage with the data. You're not stupid. I just have no idea why you're pretending to be.
The data do not say which (or which combination) of many possible factors caused a certain outcome. Statistics are useful for some things. This isn't one of them.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#68 May 2, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Fat bottomed girls make the rocking world go round.
woof
says a gay genius, probably every Fred Eaglesmith groupie and you.
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#69 May 2, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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The data do not say which (or which combination) of many possible factors caused a certain outcome. Statistics are useful for some things. This isn't one of them.
While there may be a small biscuit of truth buried deeply in what you say (a very small one), it sounds as if you have never taken a statistics course in your life.

woof
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#70 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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Here's the entire dataset used to fuel the report, as well as some of the collection notes:
https://biolincc.nhlbi.nih.gov/static/studies...
Don't forget to look at other known risk factors tabled if you want a really robust look at if you feel the report's summarized conclusions seem reasonable.
let's skip that. Now, numbers/statistics I asked for? They're not included in your link,you dummy.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#71 May 2, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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While there may be a small biscuit of truth buried deeply in what you say (a very small one), it sounds as if you have never taken a statistics course in your life.
woof
http://www.cpt12.org/tv_schedule/program_deta...
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#72 May 2, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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The data do not say which (or which combination) of many possible factors caused a certain outcome. Statistics are useful for some things. This isn't one of them.
in other words, the numbers don't in any way prove the claim of the report. Some thing I've said since the first post. It's okay, we left you back there a while ago ...
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#73 May 2, 2014
And something I could've assumed based on what huffington post prints in their news articles. Damn, assuming has gotten me farther than a self proclaimed savior of children has gotten posting all about it on topix... go figure.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#74 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the entire dataset used to fuel the report, as well as some of the collection notes:
https://biolincc.nhlbi.nih.gov/static/studies...
Don't forget to look at other known risk factors tabled if you want a really robust look at if you feel the report's summarized conclusions seem reasonable.
you still draw the wrong conclusions from the data. Great job! Lmao!
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#75 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
Here's the entire dataset used to fuel the report, as well as some of the collection notes:
https://biolincc.nhlbi.nih.gov/static/studies...
Don't forget to look at other known risk factors tabled if you want a really robust look at if you feel the report's summarized conclusions seem reasonable.
here, look at this... closely. Don't forget to look at other known risk factors tabled ( that won't be there).
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#76 May 2, 2014
Anybody who may be concerned:
Trans might have just given my computer a virus.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#77 May 2, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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While there may be a small biscuit of truth buried deeply in what you say (a very small one), it sounds as if you have never taken a statistics course in your life.
woof
Never claimed I did (though it was covered a bit in 12th grade advanced math).

I don't have a problem with the math... just with the conclusion. Correlation is not causation, that kind of thing.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#78 May 2, 2014
hit post too quickly... The reason these girls may have been told they were fat is... because they were fat. To say that telling girls they are fat makes them fat is nonsense. The study was a total waste of resources.

Since: Apr 14

Location hidden

#79 May 2, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
hit post too quickly... The reason these girls may have been told they were fat is... because they were fat. To say that telling girls they are fat makes them fat is nonsense. The study was a total waste of resources.
Prolly funded by stimulus funds. Ha.
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#80 May 3, 2014
d pantz wrote:
Anybody who may be concerned:
Trans might have just given my computer a virus.
I'm not concerned. More likely, its the porn sites you're surfing. Statistically speaking, you know?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#81 May 3, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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Never claimed I did (though it was covered a bit in 12th grade advanced math).
I don't have a problem with the math... just with the conclusion. Correlation is not causation, that kind of thing.
I don't believe that the study being referred to drew a conclusion that obesity was "caused" by young girls being told they were fat.

I think the conclusions drawn were that there when other suspected risk factors were identified and controlled for, there was a distinct correlation between later obesity and being told as a teenager they were fat.

So, yeah, its that kind of thing. There's a lot more science behind the math of statistics than you seem to understand.

woof
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#82 May 3, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I'm not concerned. More likely, its the porn sites you're surfing. Statistically speaking, you know?
woof
I've heard something like that. Though it sounds like you're speaking from experience and not "statistically". I don't have to worry about that like you but thx.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#83 May 3, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I don't believe that the study being referred to drew a conclusion that obesity was "caused" by young girls being told they were fat.
I think the conclusions drawn were that there when other suspected risk factors were identified and controlled for, there was a distinct correlation between later obesity and being told as a teenager they were fat.
So, yeah, its that kind of thing. There's a lot more science behind the math of statistics than you seem to understand.
woof
no moron. All the study proves is that if a kid gets called names, they're mare than likely to be DEPRESSED and stressed out. That's it.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#84 May 3, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I don't believe that the study being referred to drew a conclusion that obesity was "caused" by young girls being told they were fat.
I think the conclusions drawn were that there when other suspected risk factors were identified and controlled for, there was a distinct correlation between later obesity and being told as a teenager they were fat.
. There's a lot more science behind the math of statistics than you seem to understand.
woof
you go right on ahead and claim that the stats don't back the claim of the report. Now what don't we understand again? How they drew the wrong conclusion? Or how you can't seem to read the title in bold print yet post a bunch of nonsense about what you think they concluded?

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