“Meh.”

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#42 May 1, 2014
d pantz wrote:
" Simply being labeled as too fat has a measurable effect almost a decade later. We nearly fell off our chairs when we discovered this," said A. Janet Tomiyama, an assistant professor of psychology in the UCLA College of Letters and Science and the study's senior author. "Even after we statistically removed the effects of their actual weight, their income, their race and when they reached puberty, the effect remained.
"That means it's not just that heavier girls are called too fat and are still heavy years later; being labeled as too fat is creating an additional likelihood of being obese."
Quoted from report.
They don't tell you how many. I imagine very few didn't already have a weight problem. That's the problem with the study. The statistics are too vague to back the claim of the report. Of coarse one has to keep in mind that this is also a factor...
http://www.cdc.gov/healthyyouth/obesity/facts...
That gives you a better idea as to how many of them probably already had weight problems.
The problem with the study is that you're not looking at it. That's a publication release notice. It would be like me watching a trailer for a move, then complaining that there is no plot.

It sounds like just an insult, but it seems that you quite literally wouldn't know an academic study if you were looking for it, which is terribly sad.
d pantz

Akron, OH

#43 May 1, 2014
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s121...
This link doesn't the information you claim either.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#46 May 1, 2014
obesity is a mental disease, and so is smoking, and so is drinking.

bad habits are hard to quit.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#47 May 1, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
"Tomiyama statistically removed the effects of childhood weight, income, race and puberty age in order to isolate the impact of "fat" comments."
And just how could they "remove" the effects? Did they just follow skinny girls who were being told they were fat?

Telling kids they're fat doesn't make them fat, feeding them until they get fat does.

No charge.

Since: Oct 10

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#48 May 1, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
obesity is a mental disease, and so is smoking, and so is drinking.
bad habits are hard to quit.
In most cases it's genetic. You can tell when a child is six months old if he or she is going to develope into an overweight kid. Then depresson and bullying sets in and the kid holds back from participating in sports and other socializing. It's very sad.
Duke for Mayor

Cleveland, OH

#49 May 1, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
The truly scary part is that these people who are incapable of understanding how a study like this is conducted and mock long established scientific and statistical methods, truly believe that their opinions, supported by nothing more than their exposure to their tiny portion of the world and their untrained minds, are more valid than those with the understanding and training.
Fat bottomed girls make the rocking world go round.

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#50 May 1, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Fat bottomed girls make the rocking world go round.
woof
Just ask Kosmik.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#51 May 2, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
And just how could they "remove" the effects? Did they just follow skinny girls who were being told they were fat?
Telling kids they're fat doesn't make them fat, feeding them until they get fat does.
No charge.
I ally expect you to better capable of some of the other posters. I'm a bit let down..

The effects were processed through the statistical weighting of known risk factors to account for the effect of the known risk factors (here weight at the inception of the study, race, income and start of puberty). This is all covered, rather exhaustively, in the methods section of the study.

I really just don't understand how so many adults can get so far in life without understanding very basic concepts of functional science or research.
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#52 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
I really just don't understand how so many adults can get so far in life without understanding very basic concepts of functional science or research.
The people you are referring to really haven't "gotten very far".

Does that explain it sufficiently?

woof

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#54 May 2, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
The people you are referring to really haven't "gotten very far".
Does that explain it sufficiently?
woof
I would expect anyone who has lived into adulthood and is generally capable of caring for themselves to understand what a study should look like a the basic numeracy tasks that go into statistical analysis. You don't have to have gone far at all into the vaults of knowledge to understand things like this.

Doing effective and sound studies are hard, high level work. Recognizing the basic processes that power and govern them isn't.
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#55 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
I would expect anyone who has lived into adulthood and is generally capable of caring for themselves to understand what a study should look like a the basic numeracy tasks that go into statistical analysis. You don't have to have gone far at all into the vaults of knowledge to understand things like this.
Doing effective and sound studies are hard, high level work. Recognizing the basic processes that power and govern them isn't.
You are asking far too much.

woof
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#56 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
I would expect anyone who has lived into adulthood and is generally capable of caring for themselves to understand what a study should look like a the basic numeracy tasks that go into statistical analysis. You don't have to have gone far at all into the vaults of knowledge to understand things like this.
Doing effective and sound studies are hard, high level work. Recognizing the basic processes that power and govern them isn't.
25 is not adulthood, and science has proven your brain not fully developed by then.

you only think you understand and are intelligent.

Adults know better by experience.

your knowledge is limited to what talking points you vomit.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#57 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
I ally expect you to better capable of some of the other posters. I'm a bit let down..
The effects were processed through the statistical weighting of known risk factors to account for the effect of the known risk factors (here weight at the inception of the study, race, income and start of puberty). This is all covered, rather exhaustively, in the methods section of the study.
I really just don't understand how so many adults can get so far in life without understanding very basic concepts of functional science or research.
actually, all you've done is manage to brag about your PHD, and then post a link that has locked information and act like there is anything important in the document that wasn't printed in the article. If it were anything to even sneeze at (the number of women who were at a healthy weight age ten who then became obese), they would have printed the stat in the article. But they didn't, you're not as clever as you think you are and you're a self absorbed tool.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#58 May 2, 2014
Science can better prove that overeating and lack of exercise causes weight problems than being depressed .

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#59 May 2, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> actually, all you've done is manage to brag about your PHD, and then post a link that has locked information and act like there is anything important in the document that wasn't printed in the article. If it were anything to even sneeze at (the number of women who were at a healthy weight age ten who then became obese), they would have printed the stat in the article. But they didn't, you're not as clever as you think you are and you're a self absorbed tool.
So, to recap:

You've spent the last 2 days arguing about a study you've never seen, actually convinced that a press release was the whole of the study.

You've seen the conclusions of the study, but reject them, because you think that the study must lack valuable methods or samples as these weren't included in the *press release*.

I think I've covered this before, but your failure to understand or access data does not correlate with the value of the data.

Your nearest library should be able to let you access this article.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#60 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
The problem with the study is that you're not looking at it. That's a publication release notice. It would be like me watching a trailer for a move, then complaining that there is no plot.
It sounds like just an insult, but it seems that you quite literally wouldn't know an academic study if you were looking for it, which is terribly sad.
well since you're so wise and have access to the documents and I have to pay 40 dollars or go to a library to read it, why don't you give us the number of women who didn't have a weight problem at age ten but still ended up obese? Since its too important to print in the article. Does it tell you if they had a history of obesity in their family?
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#61 May 2, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
So, to recap:
you keep arguing that the report contains information that isn't in any of the articles, you paste garbage that proves none of what you've tried to say yet still insist the numbers are there but I have to pay 40 pounds or go to library because you insist it's in the report . I tell yo what, you post the number of women who didn't have a weight problem at age 10 and ended up obese compared to the ones that did. Then find out how many of them have a history of weight problems in their family. Then I will go to the library and cross check it if the number truly supports the claim that calling somebody who doesn't have a weight problem "fat" makes them obese 9 years later. That or how a kid could grow up overweight without anybody telling them.
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#62 May 2, 2014
Trans has a PHD, looks for intelligent adults to chat with on a website where you don't even have to log in to post and I'm the person who's wasted 2 days?
d pantz

Chicago, IL

#63 May 2, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
The people you are referring to really haven't "gotten very far".
Does that explain it sufficiently?
woof
how would you know? Let me tell you, it doesn't matter how people get there as long as you're there.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#64 May 2, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> you keep arguing that the report contains information that isn't in any of the articles, you paste garbage that proves none of what you've tried to say yet still insist the numbers are there but I have to pay 40 pounds or go to library because you insist it's in the report . I tell yo what, you post the number of women who didn't have a weight problem at age 10 and ended up obese compared to the ones that did. Then find out how many of them have a history of weight problems in their family. Then I will go to the library and cross check it if the number truly supports the claim that calling somebody who doesn't have a weight problem "fat" makes them obese 9 years later. That or how a kid could grow up overweight without anybody telling them.
Here's the entire dataset used to fuel the report, as well as some of the collection notes:

https://biolincc.nhlbi.nih.gov/static/studies...

Don't forget to look at other known risk factors tabled if you want a really robust look at if you feel the report's summarized conclusions seem reasonable.

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