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d pantz

Akron, OH

#1 Apr 30, 2014
" Young girls who grow up being told they're "too fat" have a greater chance of becoming obese. That's according to a new long-term study by psychology researchers at UCLA. Researchers weighed girls at age 10 and again at age 19, and found that the odds of being obese as a young woman increased if someone had labeled the participant "too fat" by the time she was 10. They also found a participant's likelihood of being obese increased as more people told her she was too fat."
Who grows up overweight from age 10 and never had anybody tell them? Is there even one? Really?
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5229964
Do they live in a bubble??

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#2 Apr 30, 2014
d pantz wrote:
" Young girls who grow up being told they're "too fat" have a greater chance of becoming obese.
No, young girls who grow up BEING too fat have a greater chance of becoming obese.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#3 May 1, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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No, young girls who grow up BEING too fat have a greater chance of becoming obese.
If they are as round as they are tall at 10 chances are they will always be that way

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#4 May 1, 2014
TonyD2 wrote:
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No, young girls who grow up BEING too fat have a greater chance of becoming obese.
"Tomiyama statistically removed the effects of childhood weight, income, race and puberty age in order to isolate the impact of "fat" comments."

...

When talking to folks who don't get basic science literacy tasks, I never can tell if they haven't bothered reading the abstract or if they just can't understand the scientific concepts at play.

I hope it's the reading one. While still sad, being lazy seems less depressing than being incapable.
d pantz

Akron, OH

#5 May 1, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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"Tomiyama statistically removed the effects of childhood weight, income, race and puberty age in order to isolate the impact of "fat" comments."
...
wow. Science? Lmao. They "statistically" removed what every overweight girl heard growing up by forgetting about their race, income, and age they started puberty? Science is pretty simple.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#6 May 1, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> wow. Science? Lmao. They "statistically" removed what every overweight girl heard growing up by forgetting about their race, income, and age they started puberty? Science is pretty simple.
...you understand that this is a study? That studies will include explicit samples and would not include every instance of the observed trait throughout a population? That they're not looking at "every overweight girl" but each of the girls included in the study? And that of that sample set, the factors listed were statistically accounted for in the weighting of the outcome?

It is pretty simple. Which is why when people fail to process such simple concepts it boggles the mind. It's why I prefer to believe they just don't bother reading through properly.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#7 May 1, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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...you understand that this is a study? That studies will include explicit samples and would not include every instance of the observed trait throughout a population? That they're not looking at "every overweight girl" but each of the girls included in the study? And that of that sample set, the factors listed were statistically accounted for in the weighting of the outcome?
It is pretty simple. Which is why when people fail to process such simple concepts it boggles the mind. It's why I prefer to believe they just don't bother reading through properly.
is you so called science, spoons made them fat?

or was it forks?

personal choices had nothing to do with it?

George Bush did it?

or it is a GOP conspiracy?

please expound professor with your scientific data.
They cannot kill a Spook

Toledo, OH

#8 May 1, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
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is you so called science, spoons made them fat?
or was it forks?
personal choices had nothing to do with it?
George Bush did it?
or it is a GOP conspiracy?
please expound professor with your scientific data.
Ask why she is afraid of a toothbrush
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#10 May 1, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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The truly scary part is that these people who are incapable of understanding how a study like this is conducted and mock long established scientific and statistical methods, truly believe that their opinions, supported by nothing more than their exposure to their tiny portion of the world and their untrained minds, are more valid than those with the understanding and training.
tiny portion of the world?

you should flip my passport pages prior to such a foolish statement.

untrained minds?....50 years of life and an MBA. Also 5 kids.

But you the O brilliant Che who has never left Summit county knows all.......what a joke.

fat is fat, and called over eating. You should know 1st hand....look in the mirror.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#11 May 1, 2014
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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Ask why she is afraid of a toothbrush
She thinks it is a GOP plot to ruin her teeth.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#12 May 1, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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...you understand that this is a study? That studies will include explicit samples and would not include every instance of the observed trait throughout a population? That they're not looking at "every overweight girl" but each of the girls included in the study? And that of that sample set, the factors listed were statistically accounted for in the weighting of the outcome?
It is pretty simple. Which is why when people fail to process such simple concepts it boggles the mind. It's why I prefer to believe they just don't bother reading through properly.
if you over eat with no exercise you get fat........some study.....must be rocket science to someone as smart as you.
d pantz

Akron, OH

#13 May 1, 2014
"Tomiyama statistically removed the effects of childhood weight, income, race and puberty age in order to isolate the impact of "fat" comments."
Right. When they didn't factor in "childhood weight", they found people who were weren't "impacted" by fat comments. Go figure.
d pantz

Akron, OH

#14 May 1, 2014
How scientific. I am going out on a limb here and saying I already knew, based on my opinion, that people probably weren't telling girls who don't have weight problems they're fat. If they did I don't see how any of their cooked up stats prove that these women wouldn't or would have had weight issues if they weren't taunted.
d pantz

Akron, OH

#15 May 1, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
The truly scary part is that these people who are incapable of understanding how a study like this is conducted and mock long established scientific and statistical methods, truly believe that their opinions, supported by nothing more than their exposure to their tiny portion of the world and their untrained minds, are more valid than those with the understanding and training.
Actually you just made a perfect analysis of the title of the article as to how it correlates with the information they claim supports it. Good job, quarter cakes!

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#16 May 1, 2014
d pantz wrote:
"Tomiyama statistically removed the effects of childhood weight, income, race and puberty age in order to isolate the impact of "fat" comments."
Right. When they didn't factor in "childhood weight", they found people who were weren't "impacted" by fat comments. Go figure.
You know that the entire study is available online?

They found a stronger link between telling kids they were fat and obesity outcomes BEFORE factoring in childhood weight as a statistical factor. The fact that the data still returned a statically important result in favor of the result AFTER factoring in known risk factors supports the study's result, rather than undermining it.

From the linked study:

"Even after we statistically removed the effects of their actual weight, their income, their race and when they reached puberty, the effect remained.

"That means it's not just that heavier girls are called too fat and are still heavy years later; being labeled as too fat is creating an additional likelihood of being obese."
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#17 May 1, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
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You know that the entire study is available online?
They found a stronger link between telling kids they were fat and obesity outcomes BEFORE factoring in childhood weight as a statistical factor. The fact that the data still returned a statically important result in favor of the result AFTER factoring in known risk factors supports the study's result, rather than undermining it.
From the linked study:
"Even after we statistically removed the effects of their actual weight, their income, their race and when they reached puberty, the effect remained.
"That means it's not just that heavier girls are called too fat and are still heavy years later; being labeled as too fat is creating an additional likelihood of being obese."
so is 8 plates of food for dinner......some study.
d pantz

Akron, OH

#18 May 1, 2014
This study in no way proves that somebody calling you fat makes you fatter. All it proves is that most obese women were overweight when they were 10, that's it.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#19 May 1, 2014
d pantz wrote:
This study in no way proves that somebody calling you fat makes you fatter. All it proves is that most obese women were overweight when they were 10, that's it.
The study suggests a link between labelling children fat and obesity as adults, even when considering their weight as children as a factor. Well executed studies should not draw an explicit cause and effect relationship across a wide population but are intended to discover factors which (if the study is well designed and replicated to a level at which we are eventually able to draw wider reaching conclusions from) may eventually be extrapolated across the larger population.

This may be a lack of imagination on my part, but I'm left again wondering if you're actually unable to understand the concepts at play or if you're playing dumb for a reason that escapes me.
d pantz

Akron, OH

#20 May 1, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
You know that the entire study is available online?
They found a stronger link between telling kids they were fat and obesity outcomes BEFORE factoring in childhood weight as a statistical factor. The fact that the data still returned a statically important result in favor of the result AFTER factoring in known risk factors supports the study's result, rather than undermining it.
From the linked study:
"Even after we statistically removed the effects of their actual weight, their income, their race and when they reached puberty, the effect remained.
"That means it's not just that heavier girls are called too fat and are still heavy years later; being labeled as too fat is creating an additional likelihood of being obese."
which proves nothing. The 19 year old women they interviewed, how many of them made it to that age without being taunted? Probably not one of them. Where is the statistic on the ones who were overweight but did not become obese? How many of them were called "fat"? And aren't they overlooking the very important fact that all them had a weight problem to begin with? Wouldn't that have just a little more to do with they're chances of ending up obese? This study is junk.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#21 May 1, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> which proves nothing. The 19 year old women they interviewed, how many of them made it to that age without being taunted? Probably not one of them. Where is the statistic on the ones who were overweight but did not become obese? How many of them were called "fat"? And aren't they overlooking the very important fact that all them had a weight problem to begin with? Wouldn't that have just a little more to do with they're chances of ending up obese? This study is junk.
Be nice.

Tranp was taunted as a child.
This "scientific" study makes her feel better about herself.
It gives her someone to blame -- the liberal's solution to every problem.

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