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xxxrayted

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TimmyMcTrucker wrote:
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Never said Obama wasn't doing it. There's that conniving GOP twist again. What I stated was all of these so called "Constitutionalists" were happy to oblige when Bush raped the Constitution with the Patriot Act. Now when a black man does the same thing...oh the tyranny.
Doesn't that work both ways? When a white man was in charge of the NSA listening to phone calls and reading e-mail, the liberals had a conniption. When DumBama does it, no problem.

When Bush went into Iraq, the liberal complaint was that we should not be attacking countries that presented no direct threat to the US. Libya? No problem. Syria? No problem. Yugoslavia? No problem.

Republicans should not be holding people in Gitmo without giving them Constitutional rights and a fair and speedy trial. When DumBama does it? No problem.

Yeah, yeah, I know, you're a liberal so the first thing that pops into your mind is race. It's what you people live for. But the truth of the matter is that it's partisanship.

One more: Liberals said that a President that never served time in a war should not be allowed to send troops anywhere. DumBama? No problem.
Old Guy

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Sep 30, 2013
 
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<quoted text>Don't miss my use of the word, "true" Libertarian. Then again, no one is 100% of anything. Example:Obama carries a Dem label but is clearly more Socialist. McCain is a RINO But carries a Republican label.
I know that you know this & I am only explaining myself.
I think that Ron Paul was more Libertarian than Rand.
I think I know where you are coming from. In theory, a libertarian could very well be for the right to abortion. But here's the political reality: I gave you three big names in the Libertarian world --- Ron & Rand Paul and the Libertarian party's 2008 Presidential candidate. They are all anti-choice. Now, you name three that are strongly pro-choice. Can't do it, can you?
Old Guy

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Pops wrote:
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And what is wrong with protecting religious rights that are being trampled on even tho protected by the 1st amendment? WHO is wanting to control who?
I'm OK with individuals following their own religious beliefs.(With rare exception --- I can see that total face covering has public safety implications.) But what we are talking about is those that would impose their particular morality/religion on others. How do you feel about mandatory Sharia Law?
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By the way, I am personally against abortion when used for birth control. BUT I also don't believe that I have a right to stop someone from having an abortion. It really isn't my business. EXCEPT that my tax dollars being used for birth control abortions.
How about when the abortions are due to the health of the mother, incest, or rape?

How about we only give women the right to make laws about this, since they are the only ones that will EVER face this decision? Seems every time I see an anti-abortion activist, it's some pudgy white guy...
Pops

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TimmyMcTrucker wrote:
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No, no old man. You stated that Obama had tripled the deficit and I called you a liar. I stated that you got your info from a Tea Bagger emailed newsletter which you denied. I then posted the TeaBagger emailed newsletter that started the false propaganda you were repeating. You then claimed you "misspoke". Only because you were busted in one of your many lies on here.
You claim I always lie on here. Go ahead and post one lie. Yah, that's what I thought, you mouthpiece of dementia.
This one is a lie or are you mis-speaking? IF all of the flat out truth is told, Obama has nearly tripled the deficit of Bush & only Bush. You took what I said as being that Obama has tripled the entire deficit at that time.
And your 'leader' that called Bush "irresponsible" & "unpatriotic" for taking out a ..."credit card of China"... Did EXACTLY that his self. With interest that one signature alone will be a Trillion Dollars by it's self.
He also PROMISED to cut the deficit in 1/2 in his 1st term (actually he promised 3 yrs) or he shouldn't be re-elected & you Kool Ade drinkers didn't care that he lied & broke his promises. What about posting bills on the web for 3 days for comments B4 a vote?
Another LIE of yours is that you stated that I wanted to 'grope' you. LIAR! In your words, You Are Busted!!
Pops

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Sep 30, 2013
 
Old Guy wrote:
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I'm OK with individuals following their own religious beliefs.(With rare exception --- I can see that total face covering has public safety implications.) But what we are talking about is those that would impose their particular morality/religion on others. How do you feel about mandatory Sharia Law?
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How about when the abortions are due to the health of the mother, incest, or rape?
How about we only give women the right to make laws about this, since they are the only ones that will EVER face this decision? Seems every time I see an anti-abortion activist, it's some pudgy white guy...
I specified abortion for birth control & that's what I meant. And there are countless people that wouldn't want any exception even for health reason that would argue with me about that, I can agree to disagree.
Let me ask you this. You pose that women are the only ones that will make an abortion decision. What about the father if he is known? Isn't he part of the decision?
At this time I won't add why I asked because I want to keep the question simple.
Pops

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Sep 30, 2013
 
Sharia law does NOT have any place in our court rooms.
Old Guy

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Pops wrote:
<quoted text>This one is a lie or are you mis-speaking? IF all of the flat out truth is told, Obama has nearly tripled the deficit of Bush & only Bush.
"In George W. Bush’s last fiscal year, 2009, the federal budget deficit reached $1.4 trillion, pushed upward by the great recession. The recession also affected Barack Obama’s deficits, especially in the first two years.

But it’s most dramatic under Bush, whose deficits soared as the recession set in:$161 billion in FY 2007,$458 billion in 2008, and $1.4 trillion in 2009.

(Federal fiscal years end on Sept. 30 so presidents operate the first nine months of their terms under their predecessor’s budget after being inaugurated in January. Bush’s first nine months were governed by Clinton’s final budget and Obama’s first nine by Bush’s. The same will be true for Obama’s successor.)

Obama’s deficits were never quite that high, starting at $1.29 trillion in fiscal year 2010, rising to $1.3 trillion in 2011, falling in 2012 to $1.08 trillion, and to $973 billion last year."

http://richmondregister.com/viewpoints/x70312...
xxxrayted

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Old Guy wrote:
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I'm OK with individuals following their own religious beliefs.(With rare exception --- I can see that total face covering has public safety implications.) But what we are talking about is those that would impose their particular morality/religion on others. How do you feel about mandatory Sharia Law?
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How about when the abortions are due to the health of the mother, incest, or rape?
How about we only give women the right to make laws about this, since they are the only ones that will EVER face this decision? Seems every time I see an anti-abortion activist, it's some pudgy white guy...
Here is the problem I have with you and Canton:

You two make this out to be an attack on women; your claim is that we don't have the right to force our morality upon others. Yet, you praise a person that forces people to purchase healthcare insurance weather they need it or not. You have no complaints about your savior forcing his morality on us! The very same holds true with tobacco products where he stopped the American Indians from selling cigarettes via mail and single-handly closed down roll-your-own cigarette shops all across America. This joker actually forced a religious organization to provide contraceptives to their employees against their religious views.

So how do you feel about Sharia law now?
Old Guy

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Sep 30, 2013
 
Pops wrote:
<quoted text>Let me ask you this. You pose that women are the only ones that will make an abortion decision. What about the father if he is known? Isn't he part of the decision?
At this time I won't add why I asked because I want to keep the question simple.
This is one of the hardest questions, and one I have struggled with. If there becomes a way to safely transfer the pregnancy (and future responsibility) to the father, I would support the father's right. Though it might seem like science fiction, I don't think it's that far off. But, until then, it's Mom's body, and I'll let her make that decision. But make no mistake, I look forward to the day when abortion won't ever be necessary, and every child born will be both healthy and desired.
Old Guy

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Pops wrote:
Sharia law does NOT have any place in our court rooms.
Let's extend that to say RELIGIOUS laws in general don't have place in our society. If you want to close your business on Sunday, that's fine. But you don't get to make others close their shops on your Sabbath.

And, just because your church owns a business, you don't get to ignore laws that you don't like.
Old Guy

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xxxrayted wrote:
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Here is the problem I have with you and Canton:
You two make this out to be an attack on women; your claim is that we don't have the right to force our morality upon others. Yet, you praise a person that forces people to purchase healthcare insurance weather they need it or not. You have no complaints about your savior forcing his morality on us!
I object to people using the emergency room as their primary mode of health care on my dime. Not because of religious reasons, but because of economic ones. We force people to buy liability insurance for their cars, so that we don't have to pay for damages of knuckleheads that would drive without it. We have speed limits, that probably limits your free enterprise, but keeps the highways safer for the rest of us.
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The very same holds true with tobacco products where he stopped the American Indians from selling cigarettes via mail and single-handly closed down roll-your-own cigarette shops all across America.
Oh, boo hoo! He raised the taxes on (machine)hand rolled cigarettes, to make them comparable in tax to other cigarettes. And he kept Indians from evading local taxes with cheap smokes. You think these are religious issues?
woo-boy

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Pops wrote:
<quoted text>I specified abortion for birth control & that's what I meant. And there are countless people that wouldn't want any exception even for health reason that would argue with me about that, I can agree to disagree.
Let me ask you this. You pose that women are the only ones that will make an abortion decision. What about the father if he is known? Isn't he part of the decision?
At this time I won't add why I asked because I want to keep the question simple.
The only time taxpayers pay for an abortion is for doctor ordered medical or cases of incest or rape. Not for birth control. Why is the GOP so hell bent against contraceptive protection. I already pointed that out. If men could get pregnant, birth control would have been free decades ago. Abortion clinics would be like Starbucks. There would be two on every block and four in every airport, and the morning after pill would come in different flavors like Sea Salt and Cool Ranch.
Reality Speaks

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woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>The only time taxpayers pay for an abortion is for doctor ordered medical or cases of incest or rape. Not for birth control. Why is the GOP so hell bent against contraceptive protection. I already pointed that out. If men could get pregnant, birth control would have been free decades ago. Abortion clinics would be like Starbucks. There would be two on every block and four in every airport, and the morning after pill would come in different flavors like Sea Salt and Cool Ranch.
can you add 2+2, or is that also over your head?

1,000,000 abortions a year in America.

and you say no government dollars involved.

you are either drunk, or just plumb dumb, or a troll.......which is it?
woo-boy

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xxxrayted wrote:
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Doesn't that work both ways? When a white man was in charge of the NSA listening to phone calls and reading e-mail, the liberals had a conniption. When DumBama does it, no problem.
When Bush went into Iraq, the liberal complaint was that we should not be attacking countries that presented no direct threat to the US. Libya? No problem. Syria? No problem. Yugoslavia? No problem.
Republicans should not be holding people in Gitmo without giving them Constitutional rights and a fair and speedy trial. When DumBama does it? No problem.
Yeah, yeah, I know, you're a liberal so the first thing that pops into your mind is race. It's what you people live for. But the truth of the matter is that it's partisanship.
One more: Liberals said that a President that never served time in a war should not be allowed to send troops anywhere. DumBama? No problem.
Obama has tried many times to shut it down but keeps getting stopped. There's lots of articles, this was the last one.

www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/gop...
TherzYourReality

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Hey neat. Most Americans blame the GOP for the government shutdown.

Forty-six percent of respondents would blame congressional Republicans, 36 percent would blame Obama and 13 percent would blame both. Sixty-nine percent said that the GOP is acting like "spoiled children" in the budget fight, while 58 percent think that of congressional Democrats and 49 percent think that of President Barack Obama. Six in 10 respondents reject the GOP's approach and think it is more important to avoid a shutdown than to make major changes to the Affordable Care Act.
TherzYourReality

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So the facts tell us that congressional republicans are the ones who are fighting to keep GW Bush's secret torture camps open and Obama has tried many times to shut them down.

Funny how every single point you guys make get's shutdown by the facts. How every prediction you have made about where we are heading has been tinfoil hat bullsh1t wrong. No wonder Americans view the GOP as "spoiled children".
Reality Speaks

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TherzYourReality wrote:
Hey neat. Most Americans blame the GOP for the government shutdown.
Forty-six percent of respondents would blame congressional Republicans, 36 percent would blame Obama and 13 percent would blame both. Sixty-nine percent said that the GOP is acting like "spoiled children" in the budget fight, while 58 percent think that of congressional Democrats and 49 percent think that of President Barack Obama. Six in 10 respondents reject the GOP's approach and think it is more important to avoid a shutdown than to make major changes to the Affordable Care Act.
you can't add 2+2, and are throwing out fantasy percentages like a parrot.

The Democrats in the Senate closed the government down because they refused obamacare as their healthcare.

The Democrats in office insist the taxpayer subsidize their super cadillac programs currently in place, or they will shut down the government in strike.

In 2014 remember every single politician that voted NO on last nights bill. Print off a copy now prior to them censoring the info.

Affordable care act= biggest lie ever told, and the American people know it.

your percentages are more worthless than day old used toilet paper.
Reality Speaks

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TherzYourReality wrote:
So the facts tell us that congressional republicans are the ones who are fighting to keep GW Bush's secret torture camps open and Obama has tried many times to shut them down.
Funny how every single point you guys make get's shutdown by the facts. How every prediction you have made about where we are heading has been tinfoil hat bullsh1t wrong. No wonder Americans view the GOP as "spoiled children".
your comedy is nowhere near as good as saturday night live.

you suck in fact.

even turning the facts 180 degrees in your attempt, you failed as always.

Ask your god Harry Reid to accept Obamacare for his healthcare plan.
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Reality Speaks wrote:
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you can't add 2+2, and are throwing out fantasy percentages like a parrot.
The Democrats in the Senate closed the government down because they refused obamacare as their healthcare.
The Democrats in office insist the taxpayer subsidize their super cadillac programs currently in place, or they will shut down the government in strike.
In 2014 remember every single politician that voted NO on last nights bill. Print off a copy now prior to them censoring the info.
Affordable care act= biggest lie ever told, and the American people know it.
your percentages are more worthless than day old used toilet paper.
YAWN!! Crickets chirping, field mice fornicating in the tall grass.
Old Guy

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can you add 2+2, or is that also over your head?
1,000,000 abortions a year in America.
and you say no government dollars involved.
you are either drunk, or just plumb dumb, or a troll.......which is it?
It seems that your entire response consists of a series of insults.

"However, in 1977 Congress passed the Hyde Amendment which put limitations on Medicaid coverage of abortion, allowing it only in the cases of rape, incest, or if the mother's life was physically endangered. Over the years, those two exceptions were eliminated. In 1979, abortions performed if a mother's life was endangered were no longer allowed, and in 1981 abortions performed due to rape and/or incest were denied.

As the Hyde Amendment must be passed by Congress annually, the pendulum of opinion over abortion coverage has swung back and forth very slightly over the years. In 1993 Congress permitted abortion coverage for victims of rape and incest, and the current version of the Hyde Amendment also permits abortion for women whose lives are endangered by their pregnancies.

The ban on federal funding for abortion affects more than low income women. Abortion is not covered for women in the military, the Peace Corps, federal prisons, and those who receive care from Indian Health Services."

http://womensissues.about.com/od/abortion/f/D...

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