Who do you support for Governor in Oh...
super mutt

Chillicothe, OH

#30314 Jun 17, 2014
Pops wrote:
I have to slightly disagree a little bit. At least speaking for myself. I personally complain about the voters or the voices that want the easy fix as you put it. I am not following the political winds of the time either. I will vote for things that may not be directly beneficial to me as long as it does benefit this country as a whole.
Sometimes I feel the fool for feeling so idealistic with the choices that we have to vote for at election time.
I appreciate your position. But how do you finally make a choice?

I used to debate an independent who is staunchly pro-2nd Amendment, which is typically not the position of democrats. But on the other hand, he believed tax increases were necessary, and he despised the top 1%. He ended up voting for Obama in 2012, and needless to say, he has buyer's remorse. But that aside, I honestly don't get that kind of dilemma. Anyone who knows anything about democrats, knows that their ultimate objective is to ban guns. They are also in thick with Wall St. and the wealthy. All their rhetoric is designed to do, is to pit one "class" of people against another, in an attempt to not only get votes, but also fool the lower classes into supporting tax hikes. But what the lower classes refuse to understand, is that they will not be immune to tax hikes, once those doors are opened.

Maybe two of the core problems for many independents is a lack of understanding of history, as well as an inability to see that the rhetoric of some politicians doesn't match the ideology.
super mutt

Chillicothe, OH

#30315 Jun 17, 2014
Pops, I'd like to add that the independent voter I referenced in my previous post decided to vote for Obama because he hated Romney. He hated Romney just because he was rich. So, he chose to believe the democrats' rhetoric that they didn't really want to take his guns away, and that they were going to stick it to guys like Romney. In my way of thinking, he voted based on emotion -- not knowledge.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#30316 Jun 17, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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No fair. You are using facts.
Guilty as charged. But facts aren't really effective in this forum, so I don't think that's an unfair advantage...
xxxrayted

Maple Heights, OH

#30317 Jun 18, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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Your employer screwed you, not your government. God, you are painfully stupid.
Why do you assume that anyone who wants to do the right thing doesn't take care of themselves? That is another stupid conclusion you cling to.
Couldn't have said it better myself.

These Cradle-to-Gravers make every excuse in the world for the tragedies that Americans like myself now face. No matter what happens, no matter how bad things get, no matter how many die, it's never DumBama's fault with them.

Think of the stupidity behind Commie Care. Okay, so we have people that are not insured because they either can't secure a job that provides healthcare insurance or they don't have nearly enough money to buy it themselves. Let's see, I'm a Democrat, so I have all the answers. I know! We'll make a law that the people that can't afford insurance get insurance, and we'll take away even more money from them if they don't.

This is your typical liberal mindset to solving problems in this country, and this is a prime example of why they should never have power in Congress, Senate or the White House again. How can you elect people that use Commie Care logic to try and solve a problem? All they did is make it worse. And liberals are too stupid to understand that you can't legislate solutions to every single problem in the world.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#30318 Jun 18, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
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Guilty as charged. But facts aren't really effective in this forum, so I don't think that's an unfair advantage...
your facts only point out how bad things really are.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#30319 Jun 18, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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Your employer screwed you, not your government. God, you are painfully stupid.
Why do you assume that anyone who wants to do the right thing doesn't take care of themselves? That is another stupid conclusion you cling to.
Yet he continues to ignore and deny the FACT that his employer is exempt from the mandate.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#30320 Jun 18, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
These Cradle-to-Gravers make every excuse in the world for the tragedies that Americans like myself now face. No matter what happens, no matter how bad things get, no matter how many die, it's never DumBama's fault with them.
Think of the stupidity behind Commie Care. Okay, so we have people that are not insured because they either can't secure a job that provides healthcare insurance or they don't have nearly enough money to buy it themselves. Let's see, I'm a Democrat, so I have all the answers. I know! We'll make a law that the people that can't afford insurance get insurance, and we'll take away even more money from them if they don't.
This is your typical liberal mindset to solving problems in this country, and this is a prime example of why they should never have power in Congress, Senate or the White House again. How can you elect people that use Commie Care logic to try and solve a problem? All they did is make it worse. And liberals are too stupid to understand that you can't legislate solutions to every single problem in the world.
Yet GOP led legislation doesn't have very good luck with the courts. Dang that pesky Constitution that they can't seem to understand.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#30321 Jun 18, 2014
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>if it wasnt for the Government people would have still been able to keep the health insurance they liked which Obama lied there too.
That has absolutely nothing to do with Taliban Ray's situation.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#30322 Jun 18, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
These Cradle-to-Gravers make every excuse in the world for the tragedies that Americans like myself now face. No matter what happens, no matter how bad things get, no matter how many die, it's never DumBama's fault with them.
Think of the stupidity behind Commie Care. Okay, so we have people that are not insured because they either can't secure a job that provides healthcare insurance or they don't have nearly enough money to buy it themselves. Let's see, I'm a Democrat, so I have all the answers. I know! We'll make a law that the people that can't afford insurance get insurance, and we'll take away even more money from them if they don't.
This is your typical liberal mindset to solving problems in this country, and this is a prime example of why they should never have power in Congress, Senate or the White House again. How can you elect people that use Commie Care logic to try and solve a problem? All they did is make it worse. And liberals are too stupid to understand that you can't legislate solutions to every single problem in the world.
First, you still continue to blame the wrong entity for your loss of insurance. You admitted it once, your boss was just looking for a convenient way to screw you that he knew you would blame someone else for.

Second, the ACA is in reality a GOP model designed to protect insurance companies. If the liberals had their way like you think they did, we would have a single payer system.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#30323 Jun 18, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Yet he continues to ignore and deny the FACT that his employer is exempt from the mandate.
how is employer exempt from mandate?

please explain.
Canton

Canton, OH

#30324 Jun 18, 2014
Just read that people with diabetes cost Americans 250 billion dollars a year. Now that's what I call responsibility.
Canton

Canton, OH

#30325 Jun 18, 2014
Mostly due to lack of exercise and poor diet. I blame Obama. Darn them Liberals. 250 BILLION dollars
Canton

Canton, OH

#30326 Jun 18, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
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You're such a goof. DumBama didn't give anything to anybody. He didn't write out a check or hand over his cash to provide healthcare to poor people. What he did is what Democrats always do, and that is take from the producers to give to the non-producers. It's not giving, it's stealing, but Democrats have no soul so it really doesn't matter to them. It didn't cost DumBama one dime.
"OH! But now lower income people have some sort of healthcare." Yes they do, and working middle-class people lost theirs. I had healthcare insurance, now I don't have any, and I'm to blame? No, it's your moron leader and his party to blame. He and the rest of the Communists put me in this position. I didn't put myself into it.
I thank God that he gave me a sound enough mind where I would never think like a liberal. Hey Canton, if DumBama takes my automobile and gives it to a poor family, would it be my fault that I no longer have a car? What if DumBama were able to take my home and investment property and give it to poor people leaving me homeless, would it then be my fault I have no place to live?
All I can say is thank God I don't think like a liberal.
I'm working middle class and I still have my health insurance. In fact, every single person I know still has the health insurance they started out with. You are the only one who got a fat raise and then voluntarily decided to not get health coverage, followed by you crying that Obama did it. What a complete fantasy world you live in. Thank god it is just a kookie little oil cult fringe group that has nothing to do with the real world or the facts.
Canton

Canton, OH

#30327 Jun 18, 2014
How much you pay in cigarettes a year XXXRayted? Around $3000? Now cry about that fat raise you got. Get some responsibility for your own actions for once.
Waterboard the racist

Canton, OH

#30328 Jun 18, 2014
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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So muslim communist penis swallowing fisters are a unique race in your mind? In the real world they are all mental disorders.
Please, your undeniable focus on homosexual sex acts has nothing to do with the big boys having a conversation here. Thanks though for that intimate glimpse into the workings of a Tea Baggers mind.
Waterboard the racist

Canton, OH

#30329 Jun 18, 2014
Wonder why you skipped over the "half breed" part of your own quote? Spin spin spin away
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#30330 Jun 18, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
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how is employer exempt from mandate?
please explain.
If a company has less than 50 employees, you are exempt from the mandate.

"96% of all firms in the United States - or 5.8 million out of 6 million total firms - have under 50 employees and will not be penalized for choosing not to provide health coverage to their employees."

http://obamacarefacts.com/obamacare-employer-...
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#30331 Jun 18, 2014
Oops, wrong pronoun --- make that "THEY are exempt from the mandate."

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30332 Jun 18, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Yet he continues to ignore and deny the FACT that his employer is exempt from the mandate.
Yeah, Thanks to Obama giving companies and unions special exemptions from Obamacare which now they dont have to worry about getting fined by the US Federal Government for not offering employees health insurance and reason alot of them have dropped their employee sponsered Health Insurance is because of Obamacare Health Insurance rate hikes in other states too like California where the Liberals have no use for Obamacare.

Last week the Obama administration unexpectedly announced that it would delay the implementation of Obamacare’s employer mandate, which requires businesses with 50 or more employees to provide qualifying health coverage or pay a per-worker penalty. Whether or not this is good policy—virtually everyone agrees that the employer mandate is poorly designed—there’s real question about whether the move is legal.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/health-c...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#30333 Jun 18, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
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That has absolutely nothing to do with Taliban Ray's situation.
Sure does Obamacare is Government Involvement and it has already been confirmed by many employers here in Indiana since the implementation of Obamacare that it is cheaper to pay the fine for not offering Health Insurance to its employees than to offer Employee Sponsered Health Insurance.

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