xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#27755 Apr 13, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Our circumstances are always changing (the cost of health insurance in particular.) But, right now, you are the one who has chosen to not sign up for insurance, so it really is your fault (and you will be the one to suffer the consequences.)
There's an old expression I haven't heard for a long time now, though it used to be rather common: "cutting off your nose to spite your face." Your lack of insurance won't hurt Obama --- it will hurt you.
The point I think you're missing is that no President should be putting any American in this position in the first place. Six million people lost their healthcare insurance coverage and they aren't even counting people like me. They are only counting the individuals that got cut off by their insurance company.

If our next President writes a law that says everybody must own an electric car in three years and some people can't afford a new car, is it their fault? Really? Americans are expected to jump like monkeys because a President decides he's going to destroy one of the largest industries in the country?

The government has no place to run peoples lives. That's not what the federal government is for. How large do you think this Nanny State government should get anyway? How long before it crashes?
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#27758 Apr 13, 2014
Regarding E-cigarettes:
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
So far nobody has chimed in telling me anything negative about these things, so yes, it's worth a try I guess. What have I got to lose?
It's probably better for you than regular cigarettes, because the combustion products of smoking are much worse for you than the nicotine. But, these products are unregulated, and many are made in China (where they don't always care about the quality of ingredients.) We may find out later that these products are dangerous to your health (or not), but right now you are rolling the dice. Also, I don't know anyone that successfully quit by using e-cigs, so you still have the habit (and the expense.)

I know that Chantix gets a bad rap, but I have a 65 year old lifetime smoker friend that had tried everything to quit smoking. He did the Chantix 2 years ago and hasn't smoked since. He said he had some strange dreams while using it, but, outside of that, no side effects.

Good luck with quitting!
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#27759 Apr 13, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
Regarding E-cigarettes:
<quoted text>
It's probably better for you than regular cigarettes, because the combustion products of smoking are much worse for you than the nicotine. But, these products are unregulated, and many are made in China (where they don't always care about the quality of ingredients.) We may find out later that these products are dangerous to your health (or not), but right now you are rolling the dice. Also, I don't know anyone that successfully quit by using e-cigs, so you still have the habit (and the expense.)
I know that Chantix gets a bad rap, but I have a 65 year old lifetime smoker friend that had tried everything to quit smoking. He did the Chantix 2 years ago and hasn't smoked since. He said he had some strange dreams while using it, but, outside of that, no side effects.
Good luck with quitting!
Thanks OG. My only reservations behind those nebulizers is that like you, I don't know anybody that quit smoking and two, you have to make the investment of the starter kit and all that.

As for myself, I don't think they will work because I can't imagine getting the same satisfaction as I do with cigarettes, but again, you don't know if you don't try. Different things work on different people. For instance you have a friend that used Chantix and it worked. I have a cousin who is a doctor in Maryland. She tried it and it worked temporarily. She's still smoking and probably will until the day she dies. She was very fearful of the side effects of Chanitx and who would know better than a doctor?
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#27760 Apr 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks OG. My only reservations behind those nebulizers is that like you, I don't know anybody that quit smoking and two, you have to make the investment of the starter kit and all that.
As for myself, I don't think they will work because I can't imagine getting the same satisfaction as I do with cigarettes, but again, you don't know if you don't try. Different things work on different people. For instance you have a friend that used Chantix and it worked. I have a cousin who is a doctor in Maryland. She tried it and it worked temporarily. She's still smoking and probably will until the day she dies. She was very fearful of the side effects of Chanitx and who would know better than a doctor?
B.S. as usual.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#27761 Apr 13, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
As for myself, I don't think they will work because I can't imagine getting the same satisfaction as I do with cigarettes, but again, you don't know if you don't try. Different things work on different people.
It's a funny thing, I always assumed that cigarette smoking was all about the nicotine. And the e-cig delivers that, in a nice cigarette form. But I've heard that some smokers miss the "throat hit" that the hot smoke delivers. I wouldn't be surprised if some folks enjoy the carbon monoxide buzz, too.

Long ago, I smoked a pipe (and the occasional cigar.) Though I noticed the nicotine effect when I smoked, I really liked the other aspects more. I liked the smell of tobaccos in the tobacconist's shop. I liked the nice lighters we used to use. Some of the pipes were works of art. It was fun blowing a smoke ring. Didn't like the way it coated my tongue and diminished my sense of taste, though. Looking back, I'm glad I gave it up when I did.
Canton

Canton, OH

#27762 Apr 14, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
Regarding E-cigarettes:
<quoted text>
It's probably better for you than regular cigarettes, because the combustion products of smoking are much worse for you than the nicotine. But, these products are unregulated, and many are made in China (where they don't always care about the quality of ingredients.) We may find out later that these products are dangerous to your health (or not), but right now you are rolling the dice. Also, I don't know anyone that successfully quit by using e-cigs, so you still have the habit (and the expense.)
I know that Chantix gets a bad rap, but I have a 65 year old lifetime smoker friend that had tried everything to quit smoking. He did the Chantix 2 years ago and hasn't smoked since. He said he had some strange dreams while using it, but, outside of that, no side effects.
Good luck with quitting!
The brand I mentioned is made in the USA and they are very picky about the quality of the juice they use. My buddy did his home work. As far as it feeling like you are hitting something, I bumped the one my friend uses and was surprised how much it hit like the real deal. Although I am sure there needs to be more studied, the article I read has doctors claiming it is much safer than smoking and at $6 a pack for regular cigarettes, it ends up being a lot cheaper. My friend's wife used Chantix and quit for a year so there's something to consider also.

Damn, we should have started talking about smoking months ago. This is the most civil conversation I have seen on this thread.

Since: Jan 12

Chillicothe, OH

#27763 Apr 14, 2014
I know the biggest and hardest thing for me was the sensation of missing something going from my hand to my mouth. I have not even smoked inside my home for 17 years, but when I did manage to quit for 9 months I gain 65 pounds and was miserable. The vaporizor help tremendously with that need. Yes, I agree do your homework on buying your juice. My doctor was very supportive of using this device to quit. If only I had known at 12 what I do know now at 42 I would have never touched a CIG ever!!!!
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#27764 Apr 14, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a funny thing, I always assumed that cigarette smoking was all about the nicotine. And the e-cig delivers that, in a nice cigarette form. But I've heard that some smokers miss the "throat hit" that the hot smoke delivers. I wouldn't be surprised if some folks enjoy the carbon monoxide buzz, too.
Long ago, I smoked a pipe (and the occasional cigar.) Though I noticed the nicotine effect when I smoked, I really liked the other aspects more. I liked the smell of tobaccos in the tobacconist's shop. I liked the nice lighters we used to use. Some of the pipes were works of art. It was fun blowing a smoke ring. Didn't like the way it coated my tongue and diminished my sense of taste, though. Looking back, I'm glad I gave it up when I did.
I used to smoke a pipe too when I was much younger, except we didn't use pipe tobacco ;-D

It's very hard for people that never smoked for any length of time to understand what we go through. I can understand that though. I mean, you're inhaling smoke, just stop doing it!

Several years ago when I went to a family party at my sisters house, she complimented me on some weight that I lost at the time. She was very intrigued as to how I did it because she has struggled with a weight problem most of her life, and she's a licensed dietary technician.

When she asked what my secret was, I told her I quit eating. She started to laugh and said "no ship" but then realized I was serious. She questioned me further on how I dealt with that empty stomach feeling, the pains, the desires when I get near food or even see it on the television?

I told her when I felt like that, I knew I was losing weight. Besides I told her, I smoke cigarettes, and those hunger pains and feelings are nothing compared to not having a cigarette for a long period of time. Hunger pains are nothing.

At that point, she stopped, her eyes looked straight ahead and she went into deep thought.

My sister was so anti-smoke that it was silly. My mother and I both smoke and it drove her nuts. She used to cough when one of us pulled out a cigarette and didn't even light it yet.

My sister never understood what smokers went through until she had something to compare it to like dieting, the hunger, the sleepless nights. When I made that comment, it finally hit her. Up to that time, she assumed there was nothing more torturous than going without food.

After that party, she never preached about smoking to me, my mother or her children again. She still doesn't like cigarette smoke, but at least she understands what we go through.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#27765 Apr 14, 2014
Canton wrote:
<quoted text>
The brand I mentioned is made in the USA and they are very picky about the quality of the juice they use. My buddy did his home work. As far as it feeling like you are hitting something, I bumped the one my friend uses and was surprised how much it hit like the real deal. Although I am sure there needs to be more studied, the article I read has doctors claiming it is much safer than smoking and at $6 a pack for regular cigarettes, it ends up being a lot cheaper. My friend's wife used Chantix and quit for a year so there's something to consider also.
Damn, we should have started talking about smoking months ago. This is the most civil conversation I have seen on this thread.
LOL, yes it is. But when we get back to politics and issues, there's no reason we can't maintain this civility. People here have ragged on me because I can't quit smoking, yet they can't control themselves from busting balls, name calling, and making unfounded accusations when they get on this thing.

I guess we all have our vices.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#27766 Apr 14, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I used to smoke a pipe too when I was much younger, except we didn't use pipe tobacco ;-D
It's very hard for people that never smoked for any length of time to understand what we go through. I can understand that though. I mean, you're inhaling smoke, just stop doing it!
Several years ago when I went to a family party at my sisters house, she complimented me on some weight that I lost at the time. She was very intrigued as to how I did it because she has struggled with a weight problem most of her life, and she's a licensed dietary technician.
When she asked what my secret was, I told her I quit eating. She started to laugh and said "no ship" but then realized I was serious. She questioned me further on how I dealt with that empty stomach feeling, the pains, the desires when I get near food or even see it on the television?
I told her when I felt like that, I knew I was losing weight. Besides I told her, I smoke cigarettes, and those hunger pains and feelings are nothing compared to not having a cigarette for a long period of time. Hunger pains are nothing.
At that point, she stopped, her eyes looked straight ahead and she went into deep thought.
My sister was so anti-smoke that it was silly. My mother and I both smoke and it drove her nuts. She used to cough when one of us pulled out a cigarette and didn't even light it yet.
My sister never understood what smokers went through until she had something to compare it to like dieting, the hunger, the sleepless nights. When I made that comment, it finally hit her. Up to that time, she assumed there was nothing more torturous than going without food.
After that party, she never preached about smoking to me, my mother or her children again. She still doesn't like cigarette smoke, but at least she understands what we go through.
Waaaaaaaaaah. Woe is me.
yeezus

Vandergrift, PA

#27767 Apr 14, 2014
not yet wrote:
this country hasnt had enough time off to have republicans back in power.
gets drugs outta jacksom
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#27768 Apr 14, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I used to smoke a pipe too when I was much younger, except we didn't use pipe tobacco.
Understood.

:-)
Wise Old Owl

Cincinnati, OH

#27769 Apr 14, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
You are batty.
woof
See if you can read and understand this:

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woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#27770 Apr 14, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
I used to smoke a pipe too when I was much younger, except we didn't use pipe tobacco ;-D
It's very hard for people that never smoked for any length of time to understand what we go through. I can understand that though. I mean, you're inhaling smoke, just stop doing it!
Several years ago when I went to a family party at my sisters house, she complimented me on some weight that I lost at the time. She was very intrigued as to how I did it because she has struggled with a weight problem most of her life, and she's a licensed dietary technician.
When she asked what my secret was, I told her I quit eating. She started to laugh and said "no ship" but then realized I was serious. She questioned me further on how I dealt with that empty stomach feeling, the pains, the desires when I get near food or even see it on the television?
I told her when I felt like that, I knew I was losing weight. Besides I told her, I smoke cigarettes, and those hunger pains and feelings are nothing compared to not having a cigarette for a long period of time. Hunger pains are nothing.
At that point, she stopped, her eyes looked straight ahead and she went into deep thought.
My sister was so anti-smoke that it was silly. My mother and I both smoke and it drove her nuts. She used to cough when one of us pulled out a cigarette and didn't even light it yet.
My sister never understood what smokers went through until she had something to compare it to like dieting, the hunger, the sleepless nights. When I made that comment, it finally hit her. Up to that time, she assumed there was nothing more torturous than going without food.
After that party, she never preached about smoking to me, my mother or her children again. She still doesn't like cigarette smoke, but at least she understands what we go through.
Now wait a minute, you've always been a diabetic along with all other sorts of problems. No diet and health plan to keep those conditions under control? Really now? Sounds like another WOE is me story.
xxxrayted

Cleveland, OH

#27771 Apr 14, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Now wait a minute, you've always been a diabetic along with all other sorts of problems. No diet and health plan to keep those conditions under control? Really now? Sounds like another WOE is me story.
Sorry Dr. Boy Toy, but if I ever need more advanced advice than the Endocrinology department at the Cleveland Clinic an give me, I'll be sure to ask you.

I haven't been diabetic all my life. I became diabetic at the age of 25.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#27772 Apr 15, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, yes it is. But when we get back to politics and issues, there's no reason we can't maintain this civility. People here have ragged on me because I can't quit smoking, yet they can't control themselves from busting balls, name calling, and making unfounded accusations when they get on this thing.
I guess we all have our vices.
It's really a personal responsibility issue. You're mewling that you don't want healthcare covering other people, but that it most decidedly should be extended to you at a price you deem suitable to cover the health concerns that have arisen out of your own bad habits.

It's that when you express a standard you expect others to hold themselves to, they'll think you a hypocrite when you explain why the same standards shouldn't be applied to yourself.
woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#27773 Apr 15, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Dr. Boy Toy, but if I ever need more advanced advice than the Endocrinology department at the Cleveland Clinic an give me, I'll be sure to ask you.
I haven't been diabetic all my life. I became diabetic at the age of 25.
That would mean you grew up being way overweight until what, 25. Most people's standards of saying 'several years ago' doesn't go back 29 years with yet another one of your made up sob stories. You sound like an only child who wouldn't get up off of the couch and didn't have any friends that would play with you, and you've held that resentment every since. Bring on your newest WOE is me story, we all know you will.
Canton

Canton, OH

#27774 Apr 15, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, yes it is. But when we get back to politics and issues, there's no reason we can't maintain this civility. People here have ragged on me because I can't quit smoking, yet they can't control themselves from busting balls, name calling, and making unfounded accusations when they get on this thing.
I guess we all have our vices.
We all basically become a persona on here that is far more polarized than what we live in the real world. I have yanked your chain about smoking on here but also have tried to offer you some advice on the matter. I do that because my "friend" who quit smoking for 6 months is actually my wife and I. I myself have smoked since I was 12. Between the two of us, we were smoking about 3 packs a day. About a pack and a half each. We tried the e-smokes but ended up going back to what we call "reallies" anytime the sh1t hit the fan, like a death in the family. After trying 3 different e-smokes, we finally researched it and found Halo brand. I haven't had a real cigarette since I started using them and have no craving at all. Please, do yourself a favor and check them out. They hit hard and they satisfy my addiction to nicotine. None of the other brands we tried worked like they do and the stuff is made in the USA. We were spending close to $18 a day between the two of us on cigarettes and now spend about $20 every week and a half. Please, if you want to know any more about them, let me know. We even tried a bunch of the juices and I can tell you which ones we liked. Mind you, I am fully aware that my nuts will get smashed on here for being a "hypocrite", but I am cool with that if it helps you out. I have twice the energy and feel notably better since I started using the e-smokes and I am the type of person that if it didn't cut it, I'd go buy a pack of cigarettes right now. 6 months in and not 1 cigarette. My friends even smoke around me and it doesn't phase me.

Let the hate begin. Being hated for helping a brother out is cool with me.
Canton

Canton, OH

#27775 Apr 15, 2014
This guys gives a good review on the Halo Triton e-smoke starter kit, which is what I use...

momma

Verona, PA

#27776 Apr 15, 2014
triedntrue wrote:
I think that Ted Strickland brings an old school democratic value system to Ohio.
going great way to go

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