woo-boy

Waverly, OH

#25946 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Better than not being smart enough to follow a conversation. I listed several things I would like to see before somebody could vote, and you didn't specify which one you were talking about, only to reply with some off beat comparison of advanced degrees.
And I'm sure most of us fellows would also like to be cuddled up to a Victoria's Secrets model too. Let's see, there's a Rolling Stones song that starts out "You can't always get......

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#25947 Feb 23, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Last question. What administration was still in charge in 2007?
In 2007 the democrats had a majority in both house of congress.......
Helen Roper

Columbus, OH

#25948 Feb 23, 2014
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>Last question. What administration was still in charge in 2007?
a good one.
Canton

Canton, OH

#25951 Feb 23, 2014
Helen Roper wrote:
<quoted text>a good one.
Is that why you right wing Conservative Republicans...ooops. Forgot, after Bush you didn't want to be called that any more. Wonder why? Anyway...Is that why you Tea Baggers were jumping off the sinking Bush ship like rats?
Canton

Canton, OH

#25953 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Really? And what happened with that policy?
What does what happened to Bush's intentions have to do with you saying it was the Democrats who are always pushing for amnesty? Nothing? Thought so. Let us know when you can back up one, just one single claim you make. That is, without going to a proven liar or Tea Bagger propaganda site.
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#25956 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Now let's see, what administration was it that phased out the good light bulbs in this country?
That would be the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007.
woo-boy wrote:
<quoted text>What administration was still in charge in 2007?
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
George Walker Bush (born July 6, 1946) is an American politician and businessman who served as the 43rd President of the United States of America from 2001 to 2009[4]
Need the link????
No, you are quite correct.

"The revised Senate bill passed 86-8 on December 13. The House approved this final version 314-100 on December 18, and President Bush signed it the following day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Independe...
Helen Roper

Columbus, OH

#25957 Feb 23, 2014
A monkey could do better than Obama. He's probably one of the least qualified presidents this country will ever see. However, the electorate of the country has become pretty stupid as well. Union members. Teachers. All liberal hacks. I miss Reagan. He had class. He was presidential. Obama is just a complete idiot.
Canton

Canton, OH

#25958 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahh. So nothing happened with amnesty under Bush is what you're saying. I see. He wanted Social Security reform too and didn't get that either.
But getting back to the present, who is it that's pushing for amnesty now? Who is resisting amnesty now?
Uhhhh... you mean John Boehner?

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/dec/...

Too stupid to know your baseless crap don't cut it any more, I see. Now if only the argument was over whether Bush PASSED an amnesty bill. Hey Rubber Ducky...it wasn't. FAIL
Old Guy

Cincinnati, OH

#25959 Feb 23, 2014
"December 19, 2007
Bush Signs Broad Energy Bill
By JOHN M. BRODER

WASHINGTON — Legislation that will slowly but fundamentally change the cars Americans drive, the fuel they burn, the way they light their homes and the price they pay for food was signed by President Bush Wednesday after having been adopted by the House on Tuesday by a large margin.

“Today, we make a major step with the Energy Independence and Security Act,” the president said after signing the bill at the Department of Energy.“We make a major step toward reducing our dependence on oil, confronting global climate change, expanding production of renewable fuels and giving future generations a nation that is stronger, cleaner and more secure.

The bill, which passed on a bipartisan vote of 314 to 100, sets higher fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks by law for the first time in 32 years and requires the production of 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels by 2022, a nearly fivefold increase from current ethanol production levels.

The measure also establishes new efficiency requirements for household appliances and government buildings and sets a goal of phasing out the incandescent light bulb within 10 years."

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/19/washington/...
Canton

Canton, OH

#25960 Feb 23, 2014
Helen Roper wrote:
A monkey could do better than Obama. He's probably one of the least qualified presidents this country will ever see. However, the electorate of the country has become pretty stupid as well. Union members. Teachers. All liberal hacks. I miss Reagan. He had class. He was presidential. Obama is just a complete idiot.
So it's the color of his skin and nothing more. Thanks for clearing that up. Bet you're just another trust fund hand me down success story crying about teachers and poor people. Get your lazy @ss back down in your Doomsday Bible bunker. We'll let you know if we need any Tea Bagger crazy.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#25961 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
My point of taxpayers being the only Americans allowed to vote is that it's their money they are voting on--not somebody else's. With our current system, politicians promise lowlifes all kinds of goodies, and they vote for that candidate because they are getting something for nothing. They are voting money out of my pocket into theirs.
This is what shocked Americans with Commie Care. They thought it was the standard taking from the wealthy and working and giving it to the non-working or low income people. Now they find out that they are paying for this insanity either directly or indirectly, and the polls are showing their dissatisfaction.
Just because one pays taxes and contributes some money to the government, no matter how small, doesn't qualify them to make good decisions about government. Garbage men and truck drivers pay taxes after all. That's why my proposal is better. Those with advanced degrees are "voting on their money" and have the added benefit of being smarter and more learned than those without. See? I have just taken your half baked idea and made it even better!
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#25962 Feb 23, 2014
Old Guy wrote:
"December 19, 2007
Bush Signs Broad Energy Bill
By JOHN M. BRODER
WASHINGTON — Legislation that will slowly but fundamentally change the cars Americans drive, the fuel they burn, the way they light their homes and the price they pay for food was signed by President Bush Wednesday after having been adopted by the House on Tuesday by a large margin.
“Today, we make a major step with the Energy Independence and Security Act,” the president said after signing the bill at the Department of Energy.“We make a major step toward reducing our dependence on oil, confronting global climate change, expanding production of renewable fuels and giving future generations a nation that is stronger, cleaner and more secure.
The bill, which passed on a bipartisan vote of 314 to 100, sets higher fuel economy standards for cars and light trucks by law for the first time in 32 years and requires the production of 36 billion gallons of renewable fuels by 2022, a nearly fivefold increase from current ethanol production levels.
The measure also establishes new efficiency requirements for household appliances and government buildings and sets a goal of phasing out the incandescent light bulb within 10 years."
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/19/washington/...
It's amazing that the Teabaggers are so out of their minds stupid that they can make Reagan and W. seem moderate and sane.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#25966 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be great if anybody could get an advanced degree. But the truth of the matter is most can't either because they don't have the proper education, they had no interest because their desire was to be blue collar, or most of all, people don't have the money.
On the other hand, with the restrictions that I laid out, anybody can get a job and pay taxes. Anybody can educate themselves on policy and politics. We do it all the time here. To say only those having an advanced degree should vote is just as silly as saying only the top 10% of wage earners in this country be allowed to vote. Most people don't have the ability to be in that top 10%
The only difference between my scenario and yours (other than my restrictions make more sense than yours) is that mine excludes you and yours doesn't. That is the only reason you object to mine.

The lesson to you should be that there exists in this country a great deal of people smarter and more qualified than you when it comes to making decisions of government so you should be very careful before you start deciding to disenfranchise people.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#25969 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
The difference between our restrictions is that mine are directly related to voting and yours isn't.
How does an advanced college degree give somebody the upper hand when it comes to understanding policies or politics? I bet there are all kinds of college graduates that don't know anything more about politics than the street sweeper. If you have no interest in politics (and there are many people that don't) then you just have no interest in it. My niece is a college graduate, and she couldn't tell you who the Speaker of the House is. Same goes with her boyfriend. It's not their thing.
I know what you were "trying" to do but it doesn't wash. You were trying to show me what it would be like if somebody stopped me from voting. But like I said earlier, it's apples and oranges.
Really? How does having a minimum wage job give someone the upper hand when it comes to understanding policies or politics? I bet there are all kinds of truck drivers that don't know anything more about politics than the guy on Social Security Disability.

Here is another problem with your proposal. Under your plan, your niece who couldn't tell us who the Speaker is would get to vote, and the SSD guy who does nothing but study politics and history all day wouldn't. That seems kind of stupid, doesn't it?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#25971 Feb 23, 2014
Helen Roper wrote:
A monkey could do better than Obama. He's probably one of the least qualified presidents this country will ever see. However, the electorate of the country has become pretty stupid as well. Union members. Teachers. All liberal hacks. I miss Reagan. He had class. He was presidential. Obama is just a complete idiot.
Then you should run....
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#25974 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. To be honest, I don't know if my niece does vote. Probably not because we usually discuss quite a bit of politics at family doings and she really has nothing to say.
You further my point about an advanced degree having anything to do with voting or politics. I'm sure many of us here could run circles around some of these college graduates when it comes to politics. We could probably do the same with your average Joe. Here are my points:
A person voting should know WTF they are voting on. If they do vote and don't know what they are voting on, then it neutralizes the vote of somebody that does know what's going on that's voting somewhat the opposite way.
If you and I go to the polls and you vote one way and I vote another. That's fine because we both know the issues and what's at stake for our country. It's just we have different views of the best way to aim our country, so your vote offsets mine and it's a wash. But it would be unfair to you if you understand the issues and policies, and somebody gets to the voting table and just starts punching "Rs" without knowing why.
Secondly, since politics is about money, how to spend money, and who to take money from, it's unfair to a taxpaying voter when a non-taxpaying voter votes to take that taxpayers money so he can get a government goodie of some kind.
Your money is meaningless in the scope of the federal budget. Only people who pay $50,000.00 a year in tax should get to vote. How's that?
Canton

Canton, OH

#25976 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you too stupid to detect a dog and pony show when you see one?
http://www.burntorangereport.com/diary/14845/...
Neat that when you are backed into a corner and want to sound like you know what you are talking about, you SUDDENLY agree with the Democrats. I detect a dog and pony show, all right. I just can't tell if you are the dog's @ss or the pony's.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#25977 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No because I still pay money and a politician can still increase my taxes. A person not paying taxes should not be allowed to vote for that politician--I should. He has no stake in the game.
This is exactly what took place in my city a few years ago. They wanted to build all new school buildings. We have a lot of rental properties and some Section 8 residents. Why should they care if they tax me as a property owner so they can build their kids a new school? They didn't care because it wasn't their money building that school. The levy was voted down several times, but eventually it got passed, and now I'm paying an extra $500.00 per year so somebody else has a new school they can send their kids to. I just don't see how that's fair.
That politician can limit the non-taxpayer's civil rights and liberties. You value your civil rights and liberties less than you value $500?
Lefty

Newark, OH

#25978 Feb 23, 2014
xxxrayted wrote:
<quoted text>
No because I still pay money and a politician can still increase my taxes. A person not paying taxes should not be allowed to vote for that politician--I should. He has no stake in the game.
This is exactly what took place in my city a few years ago. They wanted to build all new school buildings. We have a lot of rental properties and some Section 8 residents. Why should they care if they tax me as a property owner so they can build their kids a new school? They didn't care because it wasn't their money building that school. The levy was voted down several times, but eventually it got passed, and now I'm paying an extra $500.00 per year so somebody else has a new school they can send their kids to. I just don't see how that's fair.
Disgusting, elitist ReTHUGlican crapola. Ohio's reTHUGlicans are already restricting voting in the hopes, combined with their gerrymandering, of holding onto power.

You should be paying a lot more in taxes.

Since: Jan 13

Lexington, KY

#25981 Feb 23, 2014
Our vote doesn't count anyway so what's the point.

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