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#231 Mar 16, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The above is correct.
You can swap out the word "adulterers" and the statement would be correct as well.
But you seem to think that what the Old Testament and New Testament condemn, sex with the same sex, is not actually in there.
Your claim is that the correct view of Christianity means that same sex eros is good.
(eros and agape)
It's a bit more complex than that, Karl, but essentially I believe that the church (and God's love) is big enough to include people who are gay. I believe that all are loved by God. And I don't see it as a Christian duty to go around spreading hatred toward any group.

Now then, what to do with those several verses is something that calls for study and discernment. At base I believe that Christians are to extend the same willingness not to judge the sins of gays as they extend to the sins of heteros. And beyond that, I believe that there is an essence in those troublesome verses that has far more to do with respect for self and others than whether one is gay or straight.

And further, in reading the Bible, I see examples of many, many family patterns in many instances and for many reasons.

I think it is foolish to start from Ozzie and Harriet and work backwards to some belief that this is explicitly taught as the correct one and only family structure in the Bible. Because it simply ain't so.

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#232 Mar 16, 2013
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I know of no one who does such.
In fact, studies have proven that homosexual domestic violence exceeds that of violence perpetrated by strangers.
The parallels to Progressives' cries of "Racism!" while ignoring black-on-black violence are amazing.
You guys have a story...and you're sticking to it.
Even if it's bullshit.
Domestic violence in general exceeds that of stranger violence.

That's why putting a gun in every household may not be the best idea to combat the murder rate.

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#233 Mar 16, 2013
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It may surprise you to know, Reader, that I have received such an invitation...which I politely declined.
As a Christian, I cannot stand as a witness/supporter of a relationship specifically condemned by God.
LOL.

Do you understand what a wedding is about?

Not talking about the civil act of taking out a license. Talking about solemnizing vows. Do you get it?

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#234 Mar 16, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Even Jesus called out sinners.
Where did Jesus mock outcasts?

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#235 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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It's a bit more complex than that, Karl, but essentially I believe that the church (and God's love) is big enough to include people who are gay. I believe that all are loved by God. And I don't see it as a Christian duty to go around spreading hatred toward any group.
Now then, what to do with those several verses is something that calls for study and discernment. At base I believe that Christians are to extend the same willingness not to judge the sins of gays as they extend to the sins of heteros. And beyond that, I believe that there is an essence in those troublesome verses that has far more to do with respect for self and others than whether one is gay or straight.
And further, in reading the Bible, I see examples of many, many family patterns in many instances and for many reasons.
I think it is foolish to start from Ozzie and Harriet and work backwards to some belief that this is explicitly taught as the correct one and only family structure in the Bible. Because it simply ain't so.
Mark 10

The statements on judging are more akin to reactions to hypocrisy and judging rashly. Judging is not verboten in the Bible, there were "judges" in Israel before Saul became king.

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#236 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Where did Jesus mock outcasts?
Spare me. Their behavior led to their becoming 'outcasts.' And that's long gone in the past now...as my mom used to say, "The love that dared not speak its name now can't shut up."

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#237 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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When you see a naked man walking down the street, how do you know if he's gay?
And does it matter?
But your source was absolutely wrong about the laws being changed or ignored during Pride.
What a surprise, eh?
Wrong. Public sex is tolerated at these events.
So interesting that you defend it.

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#238 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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When you see a naked man walking down the street, how do you know if he's gay?
And does it matter?
But your source was absolutely wrong about the laws being changed or ignored during Pride.
What a surprise, eh?
Rampant nudity in the gay-majority Castro district was the catalyst.

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#239 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Unresponsive.
Google is very responsive.
Wait what

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#240 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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It's a bit more complex than that, Karl, but essentially I believe that the church (and God's love) is big enough to include people who are gay. I believe that all are loved by God. And I don't see it as a Christian duty to go around spreading hatred toward any group.
Now then, what to do with those several verses is something that calls for study and discernment. At base I believe that Christians are to extend the same willingness not to judge the sins of gays as they extend to the sins of heteros. And beyond that, I believe that there is an essence in those troublesome verses that has far more to do with respect for self and others than whether one is gay or straight.
And further, in reading the Bible, I see examples of many, many family patterns in many instances and for many reasons.
I think it is foolish to start from Ozzie and Harriet and work backwards to some belief that this is explicitly taught as the correct one and only family structure in the Bible. Because it simply ain't so.
The Bible is clear on this, Reader - hate the sin, love the sinner. I personally do not take the Bible literally; however, for those attending a Bible-based church (and based on your years of posting we are to respect ALL religions and their congregants) it is love the sinner, hate the sin. And you can't take away that men and women were built a certain way by the Creator, which is a whole other complicated issue (or not, depending on your point of view).
Frankly, I think that the real issue here is not being gay but rather how you perceive what is written in the Bible. It would be more honest of you to say that the Bible is pretty strict (how about that Old Testament!) and you don't agree with it because of whatever, rather than try to twist it to accommodate that which it teaches as wrong. Really, you are no better than the fundies when it comes to pushing your version onto others. All I'm saying is be honest. You look silly when you are arguing with someone who believes the literal words of the Bible, because invariably they are right - even those who rankle you.

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#241 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Equal protection under the law.
Absolutely guaranteed.

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#242 Mar 16, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Wrong. Public sex is tolerated at these events.
So interesting that you defend it.
Haven't been to San Fran, but like I said, I've been around Columbus Pride.

Never saw any public sex.

Sorry to disappoint.

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#243 Mar 16, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Spare me. Their behavior led to their becoming 'outcasts.' And that's long gone in the past now...as my mom used to say, "The love that dared not speak its name now can't shut up."
Deflect.
Wait what

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#244 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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LOL.
Do you understand what a wedding is about?
Not talking about the civil act of taking out a license. Talking about solemnizing vows. Do you get it?
Clearly, you don't.

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#245 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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It's a bit more complex than that, Karl, but essentially I believe that the church (and God's love) is big enough to include people who are gay. I believe that all are loved by God. And I don't see it as a Christian duty to go around spreading hatred toward any group.
Now then, what to do with those several verses is something that calls for study and discernment. At base I believe that Christians are to extend the same willingness not to judge the sins of gays as they extend to the sins of heteros. And beyond that, I believe that there is an essence in those troublesome verses that has far more to do with respect for self and others than whether one is gay or straight.
And further, in reading the Bible, I see examples of many, many family patterns in many instances and for many reasons.
I think it is foolish to start from Ozzie and Harriet and work backwards to some belief that this is explicitly taught as the correct one and only family structure in the Bible. Because it simply ain't so.
The biblical prohibitions against sexual sins are clear to all but those who wish to twist them.
Wait what

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#246 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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When you see a naked man walking down the street, how do you know if he's gay?
And does it matter?
But your source was absolutely wrong about the laws being changed or ignored during Pride.
What a surprise, eh?
Ummmm....if it wasn't a problem, why is it mentioned here?

http://www.folsomstreetevents.org/fair-faq.ph...

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#247 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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LOL.
Do you understand what a wedding is about?
Not talking about the civil act of taking out a license. Talking about solemnizing vows. Do you get it?
Do you understand that vows are sacred and those in attendance at a wedding are there to signify their support of the sacred union?
Wait what

Galion, OH

#248 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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When you see a naked man walking down the street, how do you know if he's gay?
And does it matter?
But your source was absolutely wrong about the laws being changed or ignored during Pride.
What a surprise, eh?
Oh, Reader. This is one of those days when I feel sorry for you. Note that in SF, the SFPD made some "recommendations" to the organizers regarding lewd behavior, and note that children are not welcome to attend the event.

It is one thing to be gay, but it quite another to purposely offend using your gayness.

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#249 Mar 16, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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Deflect.
Their behavior made them outcasts. How is that a deflection?

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#250 Mar 16, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Are you aware of how laws work???
All laws are based on some form of right/wrong
Democrats constantly complain about republicans wanting to legislate morality, but see nothing wrong with legislating immorality which displaces Godly people's right to dissasocite with it.

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