Comments
1 - 20 of 68 Comments Last updated Mar 25, 2014
First Prev
of 4
Next Last
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#3 Mar 24, 2014
Just imagine if Britain determines that religious organizations can't discriminate against women.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#4 Mar 24, 2014
So...they've been directed to keep on letting people create wills that reflect their wishes?

Even when these wishes are religiously motivated?

I'm not sure I can join you in outrage. Unless you're proposing a system in which wills are made out by the state on kinship ties?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#7 Mar 24, 2014
Jackie_Chiles_10024 wrote:
It opens the way for non-Muslim lawyers in High Street firms to offer Sharia will drafting services. The document sets out crucial differences between Sharia inheritance laws and Western traditions.
It explains how, in Islamic custom, inheritances are divided among a set list of heirs determined by ties of kinship rather than named individuals. It acknowledges the possibility of people having multiple marriages.
“The male heirs in most cases receive double the amount inherited by a female heir of the same class,” the guidance says.“Non-Muslims may not inherit at all, and only Muslim marriages are recognised.
Similarly, a divorced spouse is no longer a Sharia heir, as the entitlement depends on a valid Muslim marriage existing at the date of death. This means you should amend or delete some standard will clauses.”
It advises lawyers to draft special exclusions from the Wills Act 1837, which allows gifts to pass to the children of an heir who has died, because this is not recognised in Islamic law.
Keith Porteous Wood, executive director of the National Secular Society, said:“This guidance marks a further stage in the British legal establishment’s undermining of democratically determined human rights-compliant law in favour of religious law from another era and another culture. British equality law is more comprehensive in scope and remedies than any elsewhere in the world. Instead of protecting it, The Law Society seems determined to sacrifice the progress made in the last 500 years.”
Lady Cox said:“Everyone has freedom to make their own will and everyone has freedom to let those wills reflect their religious beliefs. But to have an organisation such as The Law Society seeming to promote or encourage a policy which is inherently gender discriminatory in a way which will have very serious implications for women and possibly for children is a matter of deep concern.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/1071...
I agree with Lady Cox. This is a bad omen for things to come. Civil law today....criminal system in the future. But more, we are going to allow Muslim groups to move to another country and then set up their own laws, not those of the resident country? Very slipperly slope. Get some backbone, Brits!

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#8 Mar 24, 2014
Christian dude: I want to disinherit my daughter because she's an atheist.
Muslim dude: I want to disinherit my daughter because she's not in my traditional line of inheritance.
Secular dude: I want to disinherit my daughter because she's a jerk.

All of these are legal, have the same net effect and aren't really my business. As long as someone is paying taxes on their income and passing it along in accordance with the law, they can do as they like, even be a dick with it.

I love Baroness Cox to death, though. She's properly, adorably batty in a generally harmless way. She's good on tv interviews.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#9 Mar 24, 2014
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
But more, we are going to allow Muslim groups to move to another country and then set up their own laws, not those of the resident country? Very slipperly slope. Get some backbone, Brits!
I'm going to have you reread the article, then see if you can't explain why it and the quoted text above don't mesh.

It shouldn't be too difficult to sort out.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#10 Mar 24, 2014
Jackie_Chiles_10024 wrote:
<quoted text>Are you a complete moron?
"Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by The Law Society, High Street solicitors will be able to write Islamic wills that deny women an equal share of inheritances"
No way are you an attorney.
Once again, it is you that is the moron.
"Lady Cox said:“Everyone has freedom to make their own will and everyone has freedom to let those wills reflect their religious beliefs. But to have an organisation such as The Law Society seeming to promote or encourage a policy which is inherently gender discriminatory in a way which will have very serious implications for women and possibly for children is a matter of deep concern.”"

I wonder what Lady Cox would think if the Law Society were to support a religious organization that's employment policy is "inherently gender discriminatory." I for one, think that this gender discrimination in religious organizations needs to stop.

You don't know anything about wills. A person can write a will that excludes his children. That article doesn't recount a single change in the law of Great Britain.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#11 Mar 24, 2014
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with Lady Cox. This is a bad omen for things to come. Civil law today....criminal system in the future. But more, we are going to allow Muslim groups to move to another country and then set up their own laws, not those of the resident country? Very slipperly slope. Get some backbone, Brits!
Except of course that this article has absolutely nothing to do with Muslim groups setting up their own law. But why bother with facts, right Ann?
They cannot kill a Spook

Detroit, MI

#13 Mar 24, 2014
Jackie_Chiles_10024 wrote:
Islamic law is adopted by British legal chiefs
Solicitors told how to draw up Sharia-style wills penalising widows and non-believers
Islamic law is to be effectively enshrined in the British legal system for the first time under guidelines for solicitors on drawing up “Sharia compliant” wills.
Under ground-breaking guidance, produced by Th
Anyone married in a church, or in a civil ceremony, could be excluded from succession under Sharia principles, which recognise only Muslim weddings for inheritance purposes.
Nicholas Fluck, president of The Law Society, said the guidance would promote “good practice” in applying Islamic principles in the British legal system.
Some lawyers, however, described the guidance as “astonishing”, while campaigners warned it represented a major step on the road to a “parallel legal system” for Britain’s Muslim communities.
Baroness Cox, a cross-bench peer leading a Parliamentary campaign to protect women from religiously sanctioned discrimination, including from unofficial Sharia courts in Britain, said it was a “deeply disturbing” development and pledged to raise it with ministers.
“This violates everything that we stand for,” she said.“It would make the Suffragettes turn in their graves.”
The guidance, quietly published this month and distributed to solicitors in England and Wales, details how wills should be drafted to fit Islamic traditions while being valid under British law.
It suggests deleting or amending standard legal terms and even words such as “children” to ensure that those deemed “illegitimate” are denied any claim over the inheritance.
It recommends that some wills include a declaration of faith in Allah which would be drafted at a local mosque, and hands responsibility for drawing up some papers to Sharia courts.
The guidance goes on to suggest that Sharia principles could potentially overrule British practices in some disputes, giving examples of areas that would need to be tested in English courts.
Currently, Sharia principles are not formally addressed by or included in Britain’s laws.
However, a network of Sharia courts has grown up in Islamic communities to deal with disputes between Muslim families.
A few are officially recognised tribunals, operating under the Arbitration Act.
They have powers to set contracts between parties, mainly in commercial disputes, but also to deal with issues such as domestic violence, family disputes and inheritance battles.
But many more unofficial Sharia courts are also in operation.
Parliament has been told of a significant network of more informal Sharia tribunals and “councils”, often based in mosques, dealing with religious divorces and even child custody matters in line with religious teaching.
They offer “mediation” rather than adjudication, although some hearings are laid out like courts with religious scholars or legal experts sitting in a manner more akin to judges than counsellors.
One study estimated that there were now around 85 Sharia bodies operating in Britain. But the new Law Society guidance represents the first time that an official legal body has recognised the legitimacy of some Sharia principles.
Won't be long before the queen and primie minister will be replaced an ayatollah. Stupid green toothed Brits. Tbey keep bending over backward for the savages they used to conquer.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#15 Mar 24, 2014
Jackie_Chiles_10024 wrote:
<quoted text>Let me get this straight.
At the moment a person of any belief can exclude anyone from their will. Is that right?
If so, why do Muslims need the Law Society to write these specific guidelines?
Just throwing this out there........because they have no intention of this stopping with wills and are simply setting a precedent?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#16 Mar 24, 2014
tranpsosition wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm going to have you reread the article, then see if you can't explain why it and the quoted text above don't mesh.
It shouldn't be too difficult to sort out.
You're going to have me do something? LMAO That simply does not work for anyone, even if they are married to me or employ me.

I don't read your biased sources and I make up my own mind no matter what I read or see. This is the beginning of a slipperly slope.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#17 Mar 24, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>

You don't know anything about wills. A person can write a will that excludes his children. That article doesn't recount a single change in the law of Great Britain.
Any you must be one lousy lawyer, which you aren't anyway so drop the charade.

Any lawyer worth his salt will tell you to leave each child a pittance, say $100.00, and the will be much more difficult to contest, if they can at all.

Go up and ask mom what's for dinner, che.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#18 Mar 24, 2014
Jackie_Chiles_10024 wrote:
<quoted text>Let me get this straight.
At the moment a person of any belief can exclude anyone from their will. Is that right?
If so, why do Muslims need the Law Society to write these specific guidelines?
Yes Paco, that is correct.

Now if the Law society were drafting and proposing changes to the laws of intestate succession, then your hullabaloo might have some merit.

But alas.

That is not what is transpiring, is it Paco?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#20 Mar 24, 2014
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Just throwing this out there........because they have no intention of this stopping with wills and are simply setting a precedent?
Annie, you are free to write your welfare sucking relatives out of your will, regardless of their religion, or yours.

Same across the pond.

woof

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#22 Mar 24, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Annie, you are free to write your welfare sucking relatives out of your will, regardless of their religion, or yours.
Same across the pond.
woof
dupe, if I want legal advice, I have the top guys in the country on speed dial and first name basis, and I have TonyD.
Listen to you? Not a chance.

“Bee Hive Jive”

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#25 Mar 24, 2014
What some don't understand is they got their foot in the door, and next thing you know they're insisting on Sharia.....everything against women's rights.
They have been doing the same in every country they want to take over....but of course some refuse to acknowledge that fact.
Sharia was already an initiative in two of our own states.....
Do your research!
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4226/uk-chi...

It's happening around the world, but some can't see past their own ignorance on this subject.

Great article JC!

“Bee Hive Jive”

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#26 Mar 24, 2014
The above article posted is another subject matter dealing with the Muslims .
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#27 Mar 24, 2014
Jackie_Chiles_10024 wrote:
<quoted text>Let me get this straight.
At the moment a person of any belief can exclude anyone from their will. Is that right?
If so, why do Muslims need the Law Society to write these specific guidelines?
They don't need it, they want it. They want wills that satisfy the requirements of both secular law and their religion. Lawyers know how to write them to satisfy the legal requirements but need some help in writing them to satisfy the religious requirements.

Think of it like a Catholic needing to satisfying both the secular law of divorce and the religious rules of annulment in order to have a divorce that allows him to remarry.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#28 Mar 24, 2014
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
You're going to have me do something? LMAO That simply does not work for anyone, even if they are married to me or employ me.
I don't read your biased sources and I make up my own mind no matter what I read or see. This is the beginning of a slipperly slope.
It isn't Tran's source, it's Nate's. You know, reading isn't a bad thing.
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#29 Mar 24, 2014
Seriouslady wrote:
<quoted text>
Any you must be one lousy lawyer, which you aren't anyway so drop the charade.
Any lawyer worth his salt will tell you to leave each child a pittance, say $100.00, and the will be much more difficult to contest, if they can at all.
Go up and ask mom what's for dinner, che.
Any other old wives' tales you want to share?
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#30 Mar 24, 2014
Jackie_Chiles_10024 wrote:
<quoted text>Spot on. They call it "Creeping Sharia."
The only thing creeping here is your ignorance, 3.1.

Tell me when this thread is updated: (Registration is not required)

Add to my Tracker Send me an email

First Prev
of 4
Next Last

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Columbus Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
4 Arrested After Allegedly Stabbing, Assaulting... (Oct '12) 1 hr LONGTIMEFRIENDOFT... 21
Will The White House Get a Missle? 1 hr SteeleO 2
OH Who do you support for Governor in Ohio in 2010? (Oct '10) 2 hr Old Guy 30,507
We can't afford a war in Syria 3 hr d pantz 5
Where are all the original legacy posters? 3 hr d pantz 110
Coleman has put out welcome mat for immigrants ... 3 hr American 11
Is Barack Obama Doing a Good Job as President? (Aug '13) 3 hr Anonymous of Indy 3,216
Bennett Smith gate stories from the victims poi... (May '13) 7 hr Tofte 2,291
•••
•••
•••

Columbus Jobs

•••
Enter and win $5000
•••
•••

Columbus People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

•••

Columbus News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Columbus
•••

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]
•••