“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#163 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Not biologically, dear...no matter how hard you twist reality.
A baby's location does not alter its biological identity.
And legally [i.e., arbitrarily]...laws are changing to reflect reality:
OHIO: At any stage of pre-natal development, if an "unborn member of the species homo sapiens, who is or was carried in the womb of another" is killed, it is aggravated murder, murder, voluntary manslaughter, involuntary manslaughter, negligent homicide, aggravated vehicular homicide, and vehicular homicide. Ohio Rev. Code Ann. 2903.01 to 2903.07, 2903.09 (Anderson 1996 & Supp. 1998).
Those who defend abortion are increasingly left with an untenable position -- killing babies in the womb (or just outside of it) is murder and is being recognized as such by new statutes. It cannot be deemed "murder" on Tuesdays by violent boyfriends and negligent drivers (or Kermit Gosnells), but a "viable medical procedure" on Thursdays by a licensed abortionist.
Yes, biologically. If one organism has nerve endings and another organism doesn't or those nerve endings aren't fully developed, I would qualify that as a biological difference. The formation of those nerve endings is a biological function.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#164 May 15, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
my money is mine. it belongs to me. it is for me to use as I wish to distribute to family members as I wish.
as long as your behaviors result in money taken out of my pocket to support those behaviors I have every right to judge.
Matthew 6:24

"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money."

At least admit that you care more about money than you do your "religion." I'd have more respect for you if you were just honest about who you really are.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#165 May 15, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>and don't forget babies they also belong to the States primarily because the underclass doesn't I know what the meaning of a nuclear family is. thanks again leftists.
Conservatives apparently don't value the nuclear family either. States that vote conservatively have higher divorce rates. They also have higher rates of teen pregnancy. You should probably know your facts before you begin spewing your hate speak.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#166 May 15, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, biologically. If one organism has nerve endings and another organism doesn't or those nerve endings aren't fully developed, I would qualify that as a biological difference. The formation of those nerve endings is a biological function.
Again, developmental stage does not alter biological identity.
Further, developmental defect does not alter biological identity.
Is a baby born deaf, blind or lame...less human?
Of course not.

The conceptus, at all stages, is a developing human.
As are you and I.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#167 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Again, developmental stage does not alter biological identity.
Further, developmental defect does not alter biological identity.
Is a baby born deaf, blind or lame...less human?
Of course not.
The conceptus, at all stages, is a developing human.
As are you and I.
No one is arguing that a fetus isn't a human fetus.

"Biologically, a child is anyone between birth and puberty or in the developmental stage of childhood, between infancy and adulthood."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child

A fetus' lungs do not function the same way yours or mine does. Breathing is a biological process. That process is different between a fetus and a born person. That is a biological difference.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#168 May 15, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is arguing that a fetus isn't a human fetus.
"Biologically, a child is anyone between birth and puberty or in the developmental stage of childhood, between infancy and adulthood."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child
A fetus' lungs do not function the same way yours or mine does. Breathing is a biological process. That process is different between a fetus and a born person. That is a biological difference.
We get it. Really, we do.
You understand that every abortion kills a human.
And you approve.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#169 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
We get it. Really, we do.
You understand that every abortion kills a human.
And you approve.
Should abortion be legal in the cases of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#170 May 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Should abortion be legal in the cases of rape, incest and to save the life of the mother?
Let's review:

98 % of U.S. abortions are performed based on:

Personal Choice [with the following reasons given]:

--too young/immature/not ready for responsibility
--economic
--to avoid adjusting life
--mother single or in poor relationship
--enough children already
--sex selection

The remaining 2 % are performed for other reasons, as follows:

Rape 0.3 %
Incest 0.03 %
Physical life of mother 0.2 %
Physical health of mother 1.0 %
Fetal health 0.5 %

http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/aborti...

Your usual arguments touches on less than 2% of abortions performed in this country.

In the case of rape and incest, creating another victim does not undo the damage to the first.

And in the case of preserving the mother's life [obviously, in pregnancy, both lives would be jeopardized by the mother's ill health]-- a physician may decide how best to proceed. Either way, one life is saved, while one is lost -- of life-saving necessity -- and not of convenience.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#171 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's review:
98 % of U.S. abortions are performed based on:
Personal Choice [with the following reasons given]:
--too young/immature/not ready for responsibility
--economic
--to avoid adjusting life
--mother single or in poor relationship
--enough children already
--sex selection
The remaining 2 % are performed for other reasons, as follows:
Rape 0.3 %
Incest 0.03 %
Physical life of mother 0.2 %
Physical health of mother 1.0 %
Fetal health 0.5 %
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/aborti...
Your usual arguments touches on less than 2% of abortions performed in this country.
In the case of rape and incest, creating another victim does not undo the damage to the first.
And in the case of preserving the mother's life [obviously, in pregnancy, both lives would be jeopardized by the mother's ill health]-- a physician may decide how best to proceed. Either way, one life is saved, while one is lost -- of life-saving necessity -- and not of convenience.
Wouldn't it have been much easier to say "No in cases of rape and incest and yes to save the life of the mother?"
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#172 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's review:
98 % of U.S. abortions are performed based on:
Personal Choice [with the following reasons given]:
--too young/immature/not ready for responsibility
--economic
--to avoid adjusting life
--mother single or in poor relationship
--enough children already
--sex selection
The remaining 2 %-
Without either abortion or chastity then what happens is we end up with more bastardy. There's already too much bastardy these days as it is. Given the choice between the two I'll take abortion and I'll even pay for them as they are cheaper than a lifetime for a free Obama phones.

A little bit of bastardy I can deal with. At the rate of 40 percent that we have today I'm completely in the abortion camp because the only thing bastardy does is cost me money and corrode society even more.

let secular society continue to live this way. And let government be the lowest common denominator institution that they look up to. If things get much worse,the rest of us should take up and form a separate Society not unlike the Amish or the Quakers.

Abort.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#173 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
It cannot be deemed "murder" on Tuesdays by violent boyfriends and negligent drivers (or Kermit Gosnells), but a "viable medical procedure" on Thursdays by a licensed abortionist.
Of course it can... and IS.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#174 May 15, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course it can... and IS.
Not logically.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#175 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
We get it. Really, we do.
You understand that every abortion kills a human.
And you approve.
Lots of things kill humans that we approve of.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#176 May 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Let's review:
98 % of U.S. abortions are performed based on:
Personal Choice [with the following reasons given]:
--too young/immature/not ready for responsibility
--economic
--to avoid adjusting life
--mother single or in poor relationship
--enough children already
--sex selection
The remaining 2 % are performed for other reasons, as follows:
Rape 0.3 %
Incest 0.03 %
Physical life of mother 0.2 %
Physical health of mother 1.0 %
Fetal health 0.5 %
http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/aborti...
Your usual arguments touches on less than 2% of abortions performed in this country.
In the case of rape and incest, creating another victim does not undo the damage to the first.
And in the case of preserving the mother's life [obviously, in pregnancy, both lives would be jeopardized by the mother's ill health]-- a physician may decide how best to proceed. Either way, one life is saved, while one is lost -- of life-saving necessity -- and not of convenience.
You can't possibly rely on statistics to say how many abortions are performed for when there is a instance of rape or incest. Considering that many women do not report rape or incest, and certainly probably wouldn't admit to it at an abortion clinic, it is naive to say there are any realistic or accurate statistics that represent these numbers.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#177 May 15, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of things kill humans that we approve of.
A mother choosing to kill her own child is unnatural and morally repugnant.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#178 May 15, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
Lots of things kill humans that we approve of.
That's a sad, sick way to try and justify the murder of babies.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#179 May 15, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
You can't possibly rely on statistics to say how many abortions are performed for when there is a instance of rape or incest. Considering that many women do not report rape or incest, and certainly probably wouldn't admit to it at an abortion clinic, it is naive to say there are any realistic or accurate statistics that represent these numbers.
I would think a woman would be more prone to dishonestly claim to strangers at a clinic that her elective abortion is due to rape and/or incest. More sympathy might be garnered for such a claim as opposed to stating that she hates children, broke up with her boyfriend, or some other such excuse.

Nevertheless, even if one were to claim that 10-20% of abortions are related to rape/incest [and there is no reason to believe such]-- that still leaves 80-90%[a clear majority] of abortions performed on demand for any reason whatsoever.

A fact you pro-aborts cannot deny.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#180 May 15, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe in the Golden Rule: He who has the gold, rules. If peoples sex lives cost me money, then its my business.
Then quit supporting and advocating rape. It uses a lot of our legal resources--courts, trial lawyers, etc. You really are a freak...not only have you admitted you support raping and brutalizing people that you feel are "beneath" you, you are now admitting you have a problem with voyeurism.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#181 May 16, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
A mother choosing to kill her own child is unnatural and morally repugnant.
Yes, killing a child is unnatural and morally repugnant. Abortion does not kill a child. I know you will say it does, but that's where we'll have to agree to disagree.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#182 May 16, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>That's a sad, sick way to try and justify the murder of babies.
I would never justify the murder of a baby. A fetus is not a baby.

And honestly, after seeing comments about the justification of rape, torture, kidnapping, etc. from one of your buddies on here, I'm not very interested in what most people here think.

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