Union talk not a part of required child-care training

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Responding to GOP objections, the Strickland administration backed down yesterday from a proposal giving union representatives the opportunity to address child-care workers attending state-required training sessions.

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No one should be required to attend union meetings, but it is certainly proper that they be made aware of the opportunity to do so.

I don't get why people are down on unions--people complain about their work conditions all the time, but I can tell you from working in other countries that we have great working conditions because of unions. Some unions are out of control and exploit their members as much as employers and some are too political, but unions belong to members--take part, pay attention, vote, run for office--same as in the country at large. It's ours, but we have to participate.

Unions are why we don't have child labor, why you get a bathroom break, why you can't be fired if the boss decides he wants to hire his nephew and makes an openingby canning you, why minorities can get jobs in higher paying fields, why women can't be fired for getting pregnant, etc.
Unions are the problem

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One of the major reasons Ohio jobs have vanished is because of the liberal democratic connection to unions.(payoff to be elected)
Strickland and Lee Fisher (his job CZAR) have nothing (emphasized) NOTHING to show for job development and job creation.
If Strickland is using the fuzzy Obama math claiming jobs saved in Ohio he still has nothing but losses.
Ohio needs to be business friendly with lower business taxes, incentatives to relocate here and establish partnership with education for training.

Look at all of the southern states that have a much better job outlook. Why? They do not allow the unions to dictate how business should be run.

Forced unionization is simply a job killer.

Here is an idea: Fire Ted Strickland and Ohio will see improvement.
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Realist wrote:
No one should be required to attend union meetings, but it is certainly proper that they be made aware of the opportunity to do so.
I don't get why people are down on unions--people complain about their work conditions all the time, but I can tell you from working in other countries that we have great working conditions because of unions. Some unions are out of control and exploit their members as much as employers and some are too political, but unions belong to members--take part, pay attention, vote, run for office--same as in the country at large. It's ours, but we have to participate.
Unions are why we don't have child labor, why you get a bathroom break, why you can't be fired if the boss decides he wants to hire his nephew and makes an openingby canning you, why minorities can get jobs in higher paying fields, why women can't be fired for getting pregnant, etc.
We don't have child labor because of child labor laws. People are down on unions because we just gave the UAW public money for the auyo bailout. Public sector unions are out of control now with high pensions and pay. Teachers unions are causing the cost of educating children to out pace the cost of private schools. The per pupil cost of a kid in New Jersey schools is now 22K a year, more than most privates without education privates provide. NJ is broke and the members of the teachers unions will not even think about paying a measly 1.5% of their cadillac insurance plan. The SEIU encourages membership from illegals. Those are just a few examples and many more can be found. One more, the rubber rooms for the suspended teachers waiting to be fired in NYC. The union won't allow hearings for firing bad teachers and the city is spending tens of millions paying the teachers to show up at alternative sites to hang out, some for seven years have received checks for doing crossword puzzles. Don't forget about the auto companies and suppliers that were forced by unions to keep laid off employees on the dole for years.
http://wsjclassroom.com/archive/06may/auto2_j...

Realist, have you even ever heard of this ? We bailed out GM because of the union stranglehold. The UAW forced these long term costs onto taxpayers, GM paid the raises to keep their plants open. When the UAW sells it's fancy resort and dumps their money into their own car biz, then they can pay assembly line workers whatever they want, even if it's a hundred grand to do crossword puzzles.
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Here we go again. We don't need unions in the public sector and it's going to be the downfall of all govt. agencies.
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Realist wrote:
No one should be required to attend union meetings, but it is certainly proper that they be made aware of the opportunity to do so.
I don't get why people are down on unions--people complain about their work conditions all the time, but I can tell you from working in other countries that we have great working conditions because of unions. Some unions are out of control and exploit their members as much as employers and some are too political, but unions belong to members--take part, pay attention, vote, run for office--same as in the country at large. It's ours, but we have to participate.
Unions are why we don't have child labor, why you get a bathroom break, why you can't be fired if the boss decides he wants to hire his nephew and makes an openingby canning you, why minorities can get jobs in higher paying fields, why women can't be fired for getting pregnant, etc.
Not only should we not bail out America's unions, we should not bailout the public sector unions in Greece. We are the largest funder of the IMF and the union thugs burned a bank and killed innocent bank employees, let Greece and it's thug unions fail.

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This is simply unionization for the sake of the union, clear, plain and simple. Child care workers who work out of their OWN HOME! What possible work condition related reason could they have to unionize???? They have problems with their boss???? The ARE the boss!!!! If this isn't Strickland paying off his union buddies who got him elected, then please someone explain to me what it is!

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Sadly, they don't give the full details of this.

All the providers (whether they want to participate or not) are "fair share", meaning they are required to pay $25 a month for union dues. If they don't make enough in one month, they union dues roll over to the next month.

The biggest stinkfest of this whole thing is the fact the union was ratified in a dirty method. The union had to get a majority yes vote to be ratified. Out of 12,000 providers statewide, only about 400 got the ballot. You had to respond with "no" to make it a no vote. It did not count as a "no" vote if you did not respond. Only about 251 wanted the union ratified in Ohio.

Which providers were sent these ballots? We will never know... The union would never tell us. Plus who is to say they did not sent the ballot to only those who showed interest.
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Crabbyman wrote:
Sadly, they don't give the full details of this.
All the providers (whether they want to participate or not) are "fair share", meaning they are required to pay $25 a month for union dues. If they don't make enough in one month, they union dues roll over to the next month.
The biggest stinkfest of this whole thing is the fact the union was ratified in a dirty method. The union had to get a majority yes vote to be ratified. Out of 12,000 providers statewide, only about 400 got the ballot. You had to respond with "no" to make it a no vote. It did not count as a "no" vote if you did not respond. Only about 251 wanted the union ratified in Ohio.
Which providers were sent these ballots? We will never know... The union would never tell us. Plus who is to say they did not sent the ballot to only those who showed interest.
Exactly. Everytime I hear about a union radification vote it is with some slick, secret or dirty way around the rules. The unions hand picked the respondents I am sure. Hell it is known they have been doing this for years.
I have a friend who worked in a non union job and when the union tried to get in they had them check off a card that simply asked if they were open to respresentation. The union used that as the union radification and these workers now get to pay big $$$ each month for nothing.
If private healthcare workers who basically work for themselves are forced into unionization, guess what: nobody will want to work. Oh maybe we can then sneak in the illegals who are part of the union and democratic path to the future.
Ted Strickland is playing right off of the demolibs card. Goodbye Ted!
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Remember! It is not about the kids. It is about the UNIONS!
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Why would the state provide any free venue for union recruitment? I thought the state was broke and running things on a bare-bnes basis.
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Any time anyone mentions "Unions" the propaganda hate and the Hell No You Can't crowd starts.

Most of the people who hate on unions do so for strictly political reasons that have little or nothing at all to do with reality.

With Out The Influence Of Unions;
There would be No weekends or 8 hour days or Vacations or Sick leave or Medical insurance or United Way or Unemployment or Workers compensation for workers killed/injured at work or Job training programs or Vocational schools or Social Security or Medicare or Standard of living for the entire nation whose national defense depends on ORDER and LAW and Education and Physical and Mental Health.

REAL Republicans were Statesmen who started unions and supported unions and worked in unions.
Real Republicans are still members of unions.

Unlike these Neo-Con nut cases who hi-jack truth, hide politics behind religion and twist truth into hate.

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Unions are the problem wrote:
One of the major reasons Ohio jobs have vanished is because of the liberal democratic connection to unions.(payoff to be elected)
Strickland and Lee Fisher (his job CZAR) have nothing (emphasized) NOTHING to show for job development and job creation.
I don't know where you have been for the last couple of decades, but there are many factors that have lead to the loss of jobs in Ohio and the US. American factories have not kept up with the rest of the world in terms of improved infrastructure. Some third world countries have fostered rapid growth in certain education sectors that supports a work-force that can handle certain kinds of easily exportable work (and American companies have opted to export the work).

You may also not have noticed, but this has been accompanied by a loss in the "market share" of American unions. Far fewer American workers are organized than in earlier decades. In addition, we have long believed our own hype about being the best in the world. As a result, other countries have overtaken us as regards education. By no measure is the US leading the pack anymore in elementary and secondary education, and our post-secondary education is increasingly educating those from other countries, while our own children arrive in college in need of remediation.

One further element is the health care "surcharge" that goes into every American made product. We have the most expensive health care on the planet--with outcomes that place us no better than our peers.

Blame it on the dems and the unions if you want, but this brings no solution, and further, overlooks the elements that have been present across many majorities on both sides of the aisle.
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Puke !!! What a joke these people have become. First they lose personal data a few times, then they flip/flop on gambling, screw with a sting operation in Bexley, move planes from airport inside of I 270, and now this union crap. Reserve your moving vans now and beat the rush in January 2011.
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TheRightIzWrong wrote:
Any time anyone mentions "Unions" the propaganda hate and the Hell No You Can't crowd starts.
Most of the people who hate on unions do so for strictly political reasons that have little or nothing at all to do with reality.
With Out The Influence Of Unions;
There would be No weekends or 8 hour days or Vacations or Sick leave or Medical insurance or United Way or Unemployment or Workers compensation for workers killed/injured at work or Job training programs or Vocational schools or Social Security or Medicare or Standard of living for the entire nation whose national defense depends on ORDER and LAW and Education and Physical and Mental Health.
REAL Republicans were Statesmen who started unions and supported unions and worked in unions.
Real Republicans are still members of unions.
Unlike these Neo-Con nut cases who hi-jack truth, hide politics behind religion and twist truth into hate.
Only democrats are in UNIONS! Republicans like me start companies & employee real workers!You will also notice that there are no unions in our military branches! Only the sloth civil servent workers at the bases belong to those socialist organizations!

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Realist wrote:
Unions are why we don't have child labor, why you get a bathroom break, why you can't be fired if the boss decides he wants to hire his nephew and makes an openingby canning you, why minorities can get jobs in higher paying fields, why women can't be fired for getting pregnant, etc.
You must work for a union, because I have no other idea how you know so little about the employment laws in the state of Ohio.

We get a bathroom break because a law was passed to allowed breaks by Ohio law. You might want to check your facts about being canned. Ohio is an at-will state meaning you can be terminated at any time. I've seen people canned for doing stuff on their own time that is not illegal in jobs. Only unions keep people from being fired, and often times they keep people from being fired who definitely should be fired.

Pregnancy/illness and being fired? Sorry Family Medical Leave Act stops that problem. Minorities? Most unions are made of up of white people. Few minorities. We also have anti-discrimination laws to stop the firing of minorities for being minorities.

Unions had their place. That place was about 100 years ago. They are no longer needed. Now they are simply used to inflate pay for services rendered and drive up costs of producing goods. Few private sector unions can last without government intervention. See airlines, auto companies, etc..

The majority of unions that survive are public sector unions and they are rife with corruption, laziness, and greed. Everyone likes to paint wall street as being greedy criminals, but wall street has done about 1/4 of the white collar crime that government unions have done!
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I have a friend who worked in a non union job and when the union tried to get in they had them check off a card that simply asked if they were open to respresentation. The union used that as the union radification and these workers now get to pay big $$$ each month for nothing.
Union representation cards have to be clear on their face about what they represent, so if it was different than what your friend believed, he/she is either illiterate or too lazy to read the two sentences on the card.

After the union submits enough cards to show employee interest, the company would either voluntarily allow the union in, or an election would take place. Usually an election occurs. Your friend would then have had the chance to vote for or against the union, of course unless they were too stupid or lazy to vote.

And are you sure they get nothing from it? Statistics show that union members make more money than non-union members, and right-wing crybabies are always harping about the "lavish" pay and benefits that union members get. Chances are your friend is just one of the lazy complainers who whine about the union while accepting its benefits and never attend a union meeting to voice their concerns.
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The union would do great work to protect the defenseless kids.
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Unions only benefit the union management and bad workers. I worked for the UAW, what a joke. My wife worked for the CWA, another joke. The worst is the public sector unions. Why do they need a union ?, they work for us, the public. Strickland is an idiot and a union hack.
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TheRightIzWrong wrote:
Any time anyone mentions "Unions" the propaganda hate and the Hell No You Can't crowd starts.
Most of the people who hate on unions do so for strictly political reasons that have little or nothing at all to do with reality.
With Out The Influence Of Unions;
There would be No weekends or 8 hour days or Vacations or Sick leave or Medical insurance or United Way or Unemployment or Workers compensation for workers killed/injured at work or Job training programs or Vocational schools or Social Security or Medicare or Standard of living for the entire nation whose national defense depends on ORDER and LAW and Education and Physical and Mental Health.
REAL Republicans were Statesmen who started unions and supported unions and worked in unions.
Real Republicans are still members of unions.
Unlike these Neo-Con nut cases who hi-jack truth, hide politics behind religion and twist truth into hate.
Name one point I made in the above post of mine that is incorrect
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The labor laws you cite were passed because there were unions and strikes. When teachers don't have a union schools treat them like bonded servants. If you don't want unions, treat people right.

Why should I go to 5 years of school and write a thesis to get a master's degree, pass a licensing test, and jump though all kinds of other hoops to be held responsible to other people's ill-behaved kids, to get bad mouthed and blamed for everything that ever goes wrong anywhere and to get treated with massive disrespect for trying to do my job right within a disorganized structure without adequate tools. You better be paying some real good money to put up with all that crap. If anything we need a nation-wide teachers' strike. Let parents keep their little darlings at home and actually take care of them themselves instead of getting free babysitting from the public schools.

Teachers make a lot less in private schools and the reason they put up with that is the school can be selective and kick out kids who don't behave and because the parents are paying out of pocket, they expect their kids to cooperate with the program.

I really son't understand why anyone is still going to teachers' college nowadays. You can hardly get a job and you get treated like crap. Why do it?

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