Healthcare UPHELD by Supreme Court

[Kramers Attorney]

Mpnf1979 wrote:

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Do your research. Average salary of a COTA bus driver is exactly what I posted. Their job posting lists the starting salary between $14.95 and $24.00. Even at $24/hr, that does not add up to $70k.$70k is for a maintenance worker, not a driver. And those people more than like have been with the company for several years. That, according to public records that lists the average salaries for drivers in that company, is not the average salary.
http://jobview.monster.com/Bus-Driver-Job-Col...
Ask Leesa Blackshear. She is a COTA driver. She makes $17.02/hr before taxes, union dues, insurance, etc. Still not $70k. Not even close.

Then Leesa needs to file a grievance:

"COTA salaries start out at about $19 an hour, which is 60 percent of the top salary available to drivers, said Jessica Rubinstein, spokeswoman for COTA.

Drivers can reach the top salary after five years of driving."
http://www.thelantern.com/2.1345/bus-life-far...

[Kramers Attorney]

Mpnf1979 wrote:

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Ah yes, I just took a two-week cross-country trip myself. Drove all the way from Michigan to San Francisco and back. Wonderful to see the country, meet new people and experience different cultures...the same cultures people like you hope to see obliterated by corporate greed.
It's wonderful to take advantage of things other people don't get to enjoy, you know...those people you look down upon because they don't make the same amount of money as people like you and I do. Shame on you for being such a hateful, bigoted, elitist a**hole. I'm not sure how I'm a leech; I'm a writer and editor for one of the top automotive publishing companies in this country.
So, that's your excuse for this week, but in the past I've seen you on other threads with the same frequency. Me thinks you're just a bit of a loser. Well, a lot of a loser, actually.

Poor, poor tranny. Such a bigot toward those you disagree with. Your hate for anything that involves self-reliance is quite a sight.
You're a leech because you support big government and public unions.

[The Author]

FKA Reader wrote:

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Some of the things that they looked at was that school sites were chosen based on housing patterns--smack dab in the middle of a white or a black neighborhood. And BTW, following release from the court order, redisctricting recreated some of the same attendance zones that got them in trouble in the first place. Dispatch did a big piece on it. As I recall, Heard and Moss were the only ones who thought there should be some discussion on the topic. The discussion never happened.
But Virginia Prentiss was abundantly clear that there would be no meaningful deseg efforts under her watch--unless forced, which is how it played out.
I used to work with a camp nurse who summed up accident prevention by saying "people do stupid things when they are angry or tired." Putting off any efforts at healing historic patterns of segregation in schools until forced by the courts played into public anger--who perceived this as being "shoved down their throats" by some outsider. But further, once it was clear that there was very little in the way of a legal option, I think that there was lot of stupidity and anger that went into the creation of the Deseg Plan (which is not the same as The Columbus Plan--which was the earlier voluntary plan). Yes, they paired schools across town to swap kids in ways that made little sense. Yes, they allowed the court order to become a scapegoat for as many things as possible. Yes--I completely believe that someone told you that you couldn't have the air on because the poor children didn't have any.
But the notion that white families fled the district because they feared violence--particularly since a lack of violent protests was one thing that was accomplished by the community as a whole--is not wholly accurate. Nor did most families admit to leaving because of some fear or hatred of black children. They greatly feared a different experience and they feared the sudden loss of control. Buying a home to get into a "good" school is something that realtor had been selling for quite some time--completely overlooking that school assignments have always been flexible and at the discretion of the local board. And there were absolutely folks of an openly racist persuasion beating the drum for them (like the folks who are currently predicting national riots should George Zimmerman be found not guilty). Not to mention builders and realtors all along the CCS fringes making money building and selling houses to them.
But the elephant in the room remains the reality that going to a school with too many black kids looks to many like something dangerous and a mark of a failed life and failed parenting.

Guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one. The plan was so successful that 35 years later, Columbus Public Schools are now overwhelmingly black for the whole district, and 40% fewer students from peak enrollment 40-odd years ago, even though Columbus itself has consistently added population (understanding that the city boundaries and SD boundaries do not coincide). Approaching 90%? Thought I saw that someplace.

I will agree on one thing: In my opinion, Virginia Prentiss was a complete bitch, and not just with this subject. In that event I attended, and spoke with her personally, she completely dominated the discussion, asked me a couple of questions, and when I started to reply, interrupted and prattled on about whatever was running through what passed for her brain. TV interviews before and after that did not dispel these impressions. I believe everybody was glad when she left the scene.

[Reality Speaks]

tranpsosition wrote:

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If your wife is MA educated and working in professional healthcare services without being able to make that there have been some mistakes made in her career planning. I made more than that in education, last year.
Maybe some additional training or looking for a new position might help?

clueless you are.

have less education like you; and earn more failing to teach our children?

people have life in turmoil when my wife see's them.

thanks for pointing out how unions in the public sector have bus drivers and teachers who work part time mind you, earn more than Masters Degree in Healthcare pays.

you say change career path change for her is needed; but I say to you that your pay is inflated by 30%. The bus driver 50% inflated.

your pay is tax funded; and if you did not notice, the economy is down. a balanced budget admendment is on the way.

bus drivers need fired, teachers, first responders, need new agreements in place, including life insurance, health care, social security, 401K.

employees never receive more pay than the owners, except when they want to.

the owners can't afford to pay you now, so who cares if they want to.

reality is real, ask stockton California.

they can't pay nothing.

over, done, put a fork in it.

[tranpsosition]

Reality Speaks wrote:

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clueless you are.
have less education like you; and earn more failing to teach our children?
people have life in turmoil when my wife see's them.
thanks for pointing out how unions in the public sector have bus drivers and teachers who work part time mind you, earn more than Masters Degree in Healthcare pays.
you say change career path change for her is needed; but I say to you that your pay is inflated by 30%. The bus driver 50% inflated.
your pay is tax funded; and if you did not notice, the economy is down. a balanced budget admendment is on the way.
bus drivers need fired, teachers, first responders, need new agreements in place, including life insurance, health care, social security, 401K.
employees never receive more pay than the owners, except when they want to.
the owners can't afford to pay you now, so who cares if they want to.
reality is real, ask stockton California.
they can't pay nothing.
over, done, put a fork in it.

I'm non union. And work in private education. The pay over on the public side is dreadfully low!

I'm sorry your wife chose a career which doesn't pay well. I hope you two are able to make things work! Getting further, in demand certifications may help, if a MA in "healthcare" (?) hasn't allowed her to progress in her career as far as she thinks is just.

[tranpsosition]

Or, has she thought about relocating? My pay jumped by a third with my first major move for work. If skill development isn't possible maybe looking for a similar role in a more robust market?

[Conservative]

Mpnf1979 wrote:

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Do your research. Average salary of a COTA bus driver is exactly what I posted. Their job posting lists the starting salary between $14.95 and $24.00. Even at $24/hr, that does not add up to $70k.$70k is for a maintenance worker, not a driver. And those people more than like have been with the company for several years. That, according to public records that lists the average salaries for drivers in that company, is not the average salary.
http://jobview.monster.com/Bus-Driver-Job-Col...
Ask Leesa Blackshear. She is a COTA driver. She makes $17.02/hr before taxes, union dues, insurance, etc. Still not $70k. Not even close.

I'm not disputing anyone's numbers because I don't know but the salary it cost a company or municipality must include benefits in the cost not just hourly wage.

Your figures are $31,200 to $49,920 + Benefits.

[Mpnf1979]

Kramers Attorney wrote:

<quoted text>Then Leesa needs to file a grievance:
"COTA salaries start out at about $19 an hour, which is 60 percent of the top salary available to drivers, said Jessica Rubinstein, spokeswoman for COTA.
Drivers can reach the top salary after five years of driving."
http://www.thelantern.com/2.1345/bus-life-far...

Of course a company spokesperson is going to cite a higher amount. As someone who has been in public relations and the media for years, I will tell you that a spokesperson's job is to be a spin doctor. Every account through my own research and other sites that quote COTA bus salaries are in direct dispute of the figure she gave. With that said,$19/hr is still not $70k.

As for Leesa filing a grievance, well, that would be a union practice, now wouldn't it? You're against unions and allowing workers to have any rights when it comes to their wages.

[Mpnf1979]

Kramers Attorney wrote:

<quoted text>Poor, poor tranny. Such a bigot toward those you disagree with. Your hate for anything that involves self-reliance is quite a sight.
You're a leech because you support big government and public unions.

Pot. Meet kettle. Deflection and transference.

Saying I'm a leech isn't the same as me being a leech.

[Kramers Attorney]

Mpnf1979 wrote:

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Of course a company spokesperson is going to cite a higher amount. As someone who has been in public relations and the media for years, I will tell you that a spokesperson's job is to be a spin doctor. Every account through my own research and other sites that quote COTA bus salaries are in direct dispute of the figure she gave. With that said,$19/hr is still not $70k.
As for Leesa filing a grievance, well, that would be a union practice, now wouldn't it? You're against unions and allowing workers to have any rights when it comes to their wages.

You conveniently omit the statement the spokeswoman makes about top pay being reached in five years. Now, she said the $19 per hour starting pay was 60% of the top pay attainable by year six. So the top pay is $32 per hour. If the driver only works 40 hours per week, that is $66560 per year.
Now, are you accusing the spokeswoman of lying?
Workers have rights when it comes to their wages...they have every right to find another job if they are dissatisfied.

[Mpnf1979]

Kramers Attorney wrote:

<quoted text>You conveniently omit the statement the spokeswoman makes about top pay being reached in five years. Now, she said the $19 per hour starting pay was 60% of the top pay attainable by year six. So the top pay is $32 per hour. If the driver only works 40 hours per week, that is $66560 per year.
Now, are you accusing the spokeswoman of lying?
Workers have rights when it comes to their wages...they have every right to find another job if they are dissatisfied.

Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. You obviously know nothing about public relations. Or anything else for that matter.

Workers have rights afforded to them by their unions, which they pay to represent them. Don't like unions? Don't belong to one. But your opinions of unions doesn't negate that other people prefer them and those people who prefer them, work in jobs that provide unions to safeguard their rights and well-being as employees.

People like yourself think everyone else must live as you live and do as you do. No one is forcing you to work in a unionized job. But who are you to take that right away from someone else? If you prefer people work in jobs where they are allowed to be treated like crap, not get raises and be forced to work endless hours without adequate compensation, go live in India. You'll love it there.

[Kramers Attorney]

Mpnf1979 wrote:

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Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. You obviously know nothing about public relations. Or anything else for that matter.
Workers have rights afforded to them by their unions, which they pay to represent them. Don't like unions? Don't belong to one. But your opinions of unions doesn't negate that other people prefer them and those people who prefer them, work in jobs that provide unions to safeguard their rights and well-being as employees.
People like yourself think everyone else must live as you live and do as you do. No one is forcing you to work in a unionized job. But who are you to take that right away from someone else? If you prefer people work in jobs where they are allowed to be treated like crap, not get raises and be forced to work endless hours without adequate compensation, go live in India. You'll love it there.

Funny, I see nothing from the union disputing the spokeswoman's statement. I see nothing from the union at all complaining about pay. Their beef is about having to contribute 1% more to their pension. They got a 10% pay increase from 2008-2011 and they've been offered another 6% over the next three years.
You see, those of us who live here have seen the numbers.
Private unions are fine, but even FDR said collective bargaining and government employment are incompatible.
I've never needed a union in my life. It's called being able to negotiate an equitable deal with my employer...no threats, no animosity, no whining. Too bad the people you admire are too weak to go that route.

[Conservative]

Mpnf1979 wrote:

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Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. You obviously know nothing about public relations. Or anything else for that matter.
Workers have rights afforded to them by their unions, which they pay to represent them. Don't like unions? Don't belong to one. But your opinions of unions doesn't negate that other people prefer them and those people who prefer them, work in jobs that provide unions to safeguard their rights and well-being as employees.
People like yourself think everyone else must live as you live and do as you do. No one is forcing you to work in a unionized job. But who are you to take that right away from someone else? If you prefer people work in jobs where they are allowed to be treated like crap, not get raises and be forced to work endless hours without adequate compensation, go live in India. You'll love it there.

I'm confused. I didn't read anywhere in KA where he said anything about not belonging to a union.

He did say that if you don't like your job and think the pay is not adequate you are free to look elsewhere for employment.

How did unions become part of that?

In Ohio you are forced to belong to Unions in certain businesses and occupations.

With OSHA, regulations concerning work environments and wages some of what you suggest is false. Endless hours? The law requires a maximum of 16 hours per day with 8 hours rest period and to be compensated for all hours over 40 to be paid at time and a half.

[The Author]

Conservative wrote:

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The law requires a maximum of 16 hours per day with 8 hours rest period and to be compensated for all hours over 40 to be paid at time and a half.

Unless you are an exempt employee, then the company owns you.

[Kramers Attorney]

The Author wrote:

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Unless you are an exempt employee, then the company owns you.

In most good companies it evens out over time. And there is often compensation that makes it worth it (higher bonus percentages are an example.)

[Mpnf1979]

Kramers Attorney wrote:

<quoted text>Funny, I see nothing from the union disputing the spokeswoman's statement. I see nothing from the union at all complaining about pay. Their beef is about having to contribute 1% more to their pension. They got a 10% pay increase from 2008-2011 and they've been offered another 6% over the next three years.
You see, those of us who live here have seen the numbers.
Private unions are fine, but even FDR said collective bargaining and government employment are incompatible.
I've never needed a union in my life. It's called being able to negotiate an equitable deal with my employer...no threats, no animosity, no whining. Too bad the people you admire are too weak to go that route.

Of course not, because it's from The Lantern. Not exactly high-quality journalism... I used to write for that paper before it became more legit and it wasn't exactly known then for fact-checking or comparative resources. Geez, do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you???

I don't know what resources you've consulted, but I have read articles where union members have commented on how they're striking because they just want to be paid an honest wage and be able to support themselves.

Darling, I'm well-informed of the numbers. I've only moved away from Columbus a year-and-a-half ago, but I am still very involved in the community. And more importantly, I can read.

Good for you for not "needing" a union. You want a cookie? It's also doubtful you worked in positions where employers felt they could take advantage of you. You're showing your own hatred, animosity and really...whining...when you complain about how other people want to do their business. Like I said before, don't like unions, don't belong to one. You may think they're weak, undeserving, entitled, whatever. In the long run, it doesn't matter what you think. Your opinion and my opinion are not important in the grand scheme of things and ultimately those people who have to report to those jobs every day are the ones who matter, not you. Not me. But I am definitely not egotistical and self-important enough to think that how I run my life and what kind of jobs I work should dictate how others run their lives and what kind of jobs they work.

Not sure what has given you this sense of importance you seem to have, but we're all human, buddy. We all have struggles and we all have ways to keep ourselves protected. For these people, this is the way they protect themselves. Next time your house is on fire or someone is breaking into your house, feel free not to call the unionized help. Furthermore, if you DO call them, feel free to tell them you consider them weak. Yes, I absolute DO admire those people...they save lives. What do you do? Oh, that's right...spend your vacation time sitting on Topix trying to pump up your ego by sending sophomoric taunts and insults at strangers...lol.

[Mpnf1979]

Conservative wrote:

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I'm confused. I didn't read anywhere in KA where he said anything about not belonging to a union.
He did say that if you don't like your job and think the pay is not adequate you are free to look elsewhere for employment.
How did unions become part of that?
In Ohio you are forced to belong to Unions in certain businesses and occupations.
With OSHA, regulations concerning work environments and wages some of what you suggest is false. Endless hours? The law requires a maximum of 16 hours per day with 8 hours rest period and to be compensated for all hours over 40 to be paid at time and a half.

I'm only responsible for what I say, not what you understand.

[Kramers Attorney]

Mpnf1979 wrote:

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Of course not, because it's from The Lantern. Not exactly high-quality journalism... I used to write for that paper before it became more legit and it wasn't exactly known then for fact-checking or comparative resources. Geez, do I have to explain EVERYTHING to you???
I don't know what resources you've consulted, but I have read articles where union members have commented on how they're striking because they just want to be paid an honest wage and be able to support themselves.
Darling, I'm well-informed of the numbers. I've only moved away from Columbus a year-and-a-half ago, but I am still very involved in the community. And more importantly, I can read.
Good for you for not "needing" a union. You want a cookie? It's also doubtful you worked in positions where employers felt they could take advantage of you. You're showing your own hatred, animosity and really...whining...when you complain about how other people want to do their business. Like I said before, don't like unions, don't belong to one. You may think they're weak, undeserving, entitled, whatever. In the long run, it doesn't matter what you think. Your opinion and my opinion are not important in the grand scheme of things and ultimately those people who have to report to those jobs every day are the ones who matter, not you. Not me. But I am definitely not egotistical and self-important enough to think that how I run my life and what kind of jobs I work should dictate how others run their lives and what kind of jobs they work.
Not sure what has given you this sense of importance you seem to have, but we're all human, buddy. We all have struggles and we all have ways to keep ourselves protected. For these people, this is the way they protect themselves. Next time your house is on fire or someone is breaking into your house, feel free not to call the unionized help. Furthermore, if you DO call them, feel free to tell them you consider them weak. Yes, I absolute DO admire those people...they save lives. What do you do? Oh, that's right...spend your vacation time sitting on Topix trying to pump up your ego by sending sophomoric taunts and insults at strangers...lol.

The only reason safety forces are union members is because they are forced into it. Coercion is the hallmark of union membership. Many of these cops and firemen were military and most are conservative. Hardly union stalwarts.
The rest of your post embraces the nonsensical. You're in PR? You couldn't sell ice in Clintonville on a day like today.

[Kramers Attorney]

Mpnf1979 wrote:

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I'm only responsible for what I say, not what you understand.

That's an odd statement for an alleged PR person.
Your employer would be...displeased.

[George Jefferson Hillard]

Kramers Attorney wrote:

<quoted text>That's an odd statement for an alleged PR person.
Your employer would be...displeased.

You are an ignorant black hole of nothingness. If you sucked any more than you do, you might end the infindidulum as we know it. Please cease & desist from this warped crapoid behavior.

I thank you as do all of the literate of all Central Ohio thank you.