“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#82 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Are you saying that you personally have issues with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia asserting self governance that are somehow comparable to your criticism of Chavez in Venezuela?
I assumed you simply decry Chavez because he was a socialist.
I'm not sure I understand you today George. Maybe all of that hullabaloo in the den of homosexuality overseas has you all upset.
woof
There are other socialist leaders, nearly all of whom I, and presumably George, don't like either.

Chavez was noxious because he was bailing out Cuba, buddying up with Iran, and engaging in Blame Bush for all of his problems.

The current and former Presidents of Brazil are socialists as well, but they don't use naked Anti-Americanism to maintain power.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#83 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So, clarify for me Paco. Are you calling for the overthrow of governments in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as being in our Nation's best interests too?
woof
If they begin acting against our interests, yes.

The current Saudi king is about as "reformist" as we will get.

Removing the Iranian government or the North Korean government would be a better example, same with Cuba.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#84 Mar 9, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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If they begin acting against our interests, yes.
The current Saudi king is about as "reformist" as we will get.
Removing the Iranian government or the North Korean government would be a better example, same with Cuba.
Well, I'm assuming you don't toil in a diplomatic field. Best to keep it that way.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#85 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you saying that you personally have issues with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia asserting self governance that are somehow comparable to your criticism of Chavez in Venezuela?
I assumed you simply decry Chavez because he was a socialist.
I'm not sure I understand you today Paco. Maybe all of that hullabaloo in the den of homosexuality overseas has you all upset.
woof
I'm calling you out for your ridiculous statement in which you claim Saudi Arabia and Kuwait bend to Washington's will.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#86 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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The concessions were never perpetual Paco. You're wrong.
woof
There's no mention of any limit prior to nationalization:

"General Juan Vicente Gómez, who ruled the country as his personal hacienda for almost 30 years, awarded oil concessions to either Gomecistas or close family members who later resold them to international oil companies.1 Gomez’s death in 1935 did not entail, however, the end of the concession regime. Although subsequent administrations gradually increased the government’s control and take, oil concessions remained valid until 1975, when Venezuela nationalized its oil industry."
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx...

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#87 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Well, I'm assuming you don't toil in a diplomatic field. Best to keep it that way.
woof
US policy is to encourage the overthrow of the Iranian government, it just does nothing actively. I think that policy is wrong, 2009 being the biggest failure of it.

People who freak out over non-existent "Christian Taliban", but are OK with an "Islamic Republic", cannot be taken seriously.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#88 Mar 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I'm calling you out for your ridiculous statement in which you claim Saudi Arabia and Kuwait bend to Washington's will.
Then you'd better go back to Colby and get your pappy's money back.

While you may have tried to get me to say that, I never said such a thing. I was speaking of Chavez.

Just another classic example of you attempting to change the subject because you don't like being exposed as being wrong.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#89 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So, clarify for me Paco. Are you calling for the overthrow of governments in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia as being in our Nation's best interests too?
woof
Depends on who would come to power. At this point the regimes would only be more Islamist, not less. One Iran is plenty.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#90 Mar 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>There's no mention of any limit prior to nationalization:
"General Juan Vicente Gómez, who ruled the country as his personal hacienda for almost 30 years, awarded oil concessions to either Gomecistas or close family members who later resold them to international oil companies.1 Gomez’s death in 1935 did not entail, however, the end of the concession regime. Although subsequent administrations gradually increased the government’s control and take, oil concessions remained valid until 1975, when Venezuela nationalized its oil industry."
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx...
You need to look harder Paco. I've already posted a couple of links. Since you apparently like hints here are a couple for you:

1943
1983

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#91 Mar 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Depends on who would come to power. At this point the regimes would only be more Islamist, not less. One Iran is plenty.
So, at what point does American Nationalism outweigh another country's independent national sovereignty, in your mind? What are the criteria for "justified" interventions such as the 2002 attempted coup that Bush supported in Caracas?

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#92 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Then you'd better go back to Colby and get your pappy's money back.
While you may have tried to get me to say that, I never said such a thing. I was speaking of Chavez.
Just another classic example of you attempting to change the subject because you don't like being exposed as being wrong.
woof
Do you lie for a living? Oh, wait, you're a "lawyer"...
Your post #65:

Duke for Mayor

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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Kuwait and Saudi Arabia kowtow to Washington...how?

You aren't really that stupid, are you Paco?

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#93 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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You need to look harder Paco. I've already posted a couple of links. Since you apparently like hints here are a couple for you:
1943
1983
woof
The renegotiation of 1943 didn't change ownership, it renegotiated the terms. 1983 is a moot point as nationalization effectively destroyed foreign control in 1975.
Try again, tool.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#94 Mar 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Do you lie for a living? Oh, wait, you're a "lawyer"...
Your post #65:
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Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Kuwait and Saudi Arabia kowtow to Washington...how?
You aren't really that stupid, are you Paco?
woof
No Paco, I will interpret for you:

Paco: "Kuwait and Saudi Arabia kowtow to Washington...how?"

Duke: "Why are you asking a question that has no relevance to a discussion about Venezuela's socialist government's Nationalization of its oil industry?"

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#95 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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So, at what point does American Nationalism outweigh another country's independent national sovereignty, in your mind? What are the criteria for "justified" interventions such as the 2002 attempted coup that Bush supported in Caracas?
woof
First, you can't show any evidence of material support in that coup attempt.

A Defense Department official who was involved in the development of policy toward Venezuela said the administration was sending a different message. "We were not discouraging people," the official said. "We were sending informal, subtle signals that we don't like this guy. We didn't say,'No, don't you dare,' and we weren't advocates saying,'Here's some arms; we'll help you overthrow this guy.' We were not doing that."[109]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_...

Now, I imagine you've never heard of this little thing called the Monroe Doctrine:

http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Ar...

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#96 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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No Paco, I will interpret for you:
Paco: "Kuwait and Saudi Arabia kowtow to Washington...how?"
Duke: "Why are you asking a question that has no relevance to a discussion about Venezuela's socialist government's Nationalization of its oil industry?"
woof
No moron, you've been caught...again. And now you're trying to weasel out by "translating."
My God, you're an idiot.
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#97 Mar 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>The renegotiation of 1943 didn't change ownership, it renegotiated the terms. 1983 is a moot point as nationalization effectively destroyed foreign control in 1975.
Try again, tool.
I don't know what "renegotiation" you're speaking of. Keep trying.

How about this Paco? Let's try it this way, since you proclaim to be an "expert" in International Relations.

I purchase a "concession" in Vatican City to sell official and novelty Papal Mitres in 1973, knowing full well that it is a sovereign nation. By purchasing my concession, I knowingly submit myself to the laws of that Nation as they apply to my business dealings, fully aware that the law of the state may change at any moment, thereby rendering my ongoing business selling Papal mitres subject to the vagaries of law that I have absolutely no control over, other than through lobbying and payoffs to the local governmental officials.

After investing in and conducting my business for forty years, the government passes legislation mandating that Papal mitre manufacturing facilities are now the property of the state.

Should I now advocate for the assassination of the Pope, because he's quite obviously an anti-American terrorist in a funny hat?

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#98 Mar 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>No moron, you've been caught...again. And now you're trying to weasel out by "translating."
My God, you're an idiot.
One of these days Paco, you might figure out that you don't actually have the power to read others' minds, and thereby speak for them.

Maybe.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Uniontown, OH

#99 Mar 9, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>First, you can't show any evidence of material support in that coup attempt.
A Defense Department official who was involved in the development of policy toward Venezuela said the administration was sending a different message. "We were not discouraging people," the official said. "We were sending informal, subtle signals that we don't like this guy. We didn't say,'No, don't you dare,' and we weren't advocates saying,'Here's some arms; we'll help you overthrow this guy.' We were not doing that."[109]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_Venezuelan_...
Now, I imagine you've never heard of this little thing called the Monroe Doctrine:
http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/MilitaryReview/Ar...
I'm not sure it really matters. If you believe that the US played no role whatsoever, I'd have to say that you really ARE stupid.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/u...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/v...

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#100 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I don't know what "renegotiation" you're speaking of. Keep trying.
How about this Paco? Let's try it this way, since you proclaim to be an "expert" in International Relations.
I purchase a "concession" in Vatican City to sell official and novelty Papal Mitres in 1973, knowing full well that it is a sovereign nation. By purchasing my concession, I knowingly submit myself to the laws of that Nation as they apply to my business dealings, fully aware that the law of the state may change at any moment, thereby rendering my ongoing business selling Papal mitres subject to the vagaries of law that I have absolutely no control over, other than through lobbying and payoffs to the local governmental officials.
After investing in and conducting my business for forty years, the government passes legislation mandating that Papal mitre manufacturing facilities are now the property of the state.
Should I now advocate for the assassination of the Pope, because he's quite obviously an anti-American terrorist in a funny hat?
woof
Show me the evidence that the Venezuelan oil concessions were negotiated along the lines of your scenario. And tell me why nationalization isn't theft in your scenario. But first, tell me how your scenario is anything like what happened in Venezuela.
You have it backwards. In your story, the US company is merely a vendor, a salesperson and an owner of production methods that already existed. In the case of oil, the US is the discoverer, the producer and the seller. Mitres have been around alot longer than the United States. Oil production has not. Huge difference, not that you'd know the difference.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#101 Mar 9, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I'm not sure it really matters. If you believe that the US played no role whatsoever, I'd have to say that you really ARE stupid.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/u...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/v...
woof
The Guardian?! You really are a moron.

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