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Expense of Freshwater hearing stirs talk of reforming how teachers are fired | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 11 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Jan 12, 2011, titled Expense of Freshwater hearing stirs talk of reforming how teachers are fired | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

When the Mount Vernon school board decided to fire eighth-grade science teacher John Freshwater for teaching creationism, a 70-year-old state law allowed him to demand an administrative hearing.

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Obozo the Clown

Fremont, CA

#1 Jan 12, 2011
It's not my money....I don't care.
Marvin Glep

Naperville, IL

#2 Jan 12, 2011
Headline's clearly wrong. Editor meant to say "...stirs talk of reforming how teachers are railroaded out of their jobs due to phony accusations by kids who harm themselves, sue the school for it, and then blame their teachers who are outspoken in their faith and therefore MUST be gotten rid of." That headline would be much closer to the truth.

I hope the Mt. Vernon School District goes bankruptover the cost of this very public lynching of John Freshwater.
lol

Lancaster, OH

#3 Jan 12, 2011
Marvin Glep wrote:
Headline's clearly wrong. Editor meant to say "...stirs talk of reforming how teachers are railroaded out of their jobs due to phony accusations by kids who harm themselves, sue the school for it, and then blame their teachers who are outspoken in their faith and therefore MUST be gotten rid of." That headline would be much closer to the truth.
I hope the Mt. Vernon School District goes bankruptover the cost of this very public lynching of John Freshwater.
I second that motion.
YOU people

Columbus, OH

#4 Jan 12, 2011
Marvin Glep wrote:
Headline's clearly wrong. Editor meant to say "...stirs talk of reforming how teachers are railroaded out of their jobs due to phony accusations by kids who harm themselves, sue the school for it, and then blame their teachers who are outspoken in their faith and therefore MUST be gotten rid of." That headline would be much closer to the truth.
I hope the Mt. Vernon School District goes bankruptover the cost of this very public lynching of John Freshwater.
Maybe PUBLIC school teachers who have fantasies of being Preachers and Prophets and "saving souls" should just teach at PRIVATE church affiliated schools they SUPPORT their beliefs and STOP trying to FORCE their will onto young, impressionable, children that do not belong to them?! Because the next time some kid accuses a teacher of inappropriately "touching" them and they DON'T take them seriously, I HOPE it's YOUR kid and I HOPE the offender hides behind his Bible too. If nothing else, this demonstrates this teachers LACK of good judgement. He could have easily organized an AFTER-school "prayer club" or something. You want gays to "Don't ask, Don't Tell" because it isn't "appropriate" for the workplace but I wonder if this teacher had been a Muslim and that book been a Qu'ran, would you have been so supportive?
Tell the Truth

Columbus, OH

#5 Jan 13, 2011
AFT!
Wait a Minute

Columbus, OH

#6 Jan 13, 2011
There's a 70-year old law that allows public employees to seek an administrative hearing before getting fired? A law that pre-dates public sector labor unions?

This law is one more thing which invalidates the need for public-sector labor unions.
livethere

United States

#7 Jan 13, 2011
Marvin Glep wrote:
Headline's clearly wrong. Editor meant to say "...stirs talk of reforming how teachers are railroaded out of their jobs due to phony accusations by kids who harm themselves, sue the school for it, and then blame their teachers who are outspoken in their faith and therefore MUST be gotten rid of." That headline would be much closer to the truth.
I hope the Mt. Vernon School District goes bankruptover the cost of this very public lynching of John Freshwater.
Both the administrative hearing referee and a Federal Judge have backed up claims made by the students. Saying kids harmed themselves then sued the teacher for it is just plain ignorant.(the Judge even said the teacher was not a reliable source and wasn't truthful) Read some facts!!

Since: Aug 08

Mount Vernon, OH

#8 Jan 13, 2011
The Columbus Dispatch article says: "Much of it focused on claims that Freshwater used a Tesla coil, an electrical instrument used in science experiments, to burn crosses on students' arms. However, the hearing officer, R. Lee Shepherd, wrote in his recommendation to fire Freshwater that the testimony wasn't relevant because Freshwater removed the device from his classroom when told to do so."

This is what Shepherd actually wrote in his report regarding the Tesla coil burn allegation:

"Due to the sensational and provocative nature of this specified ground, it and the facts and circumstances surrounding it became the focus of the curious, including those in the video, audio, and print media. Once sworn testimony was presented, it [became] obvious that speculation and imagination had pushed reality aside. There was a plausible explanation for how and why the Tesla Coil had been used by John Freshwater. Further, and more crucial to a review of the Amended Resolution, the use of the Tesla Coil by John Freshwater did not seem to be a proper subject for the Amended Resolution. By letter of January 22, 2008 as authorized by Principal William White (Board Exhibit 6 – Attachment 16) the Tesla Coil matter had been concluded. John Freshwater was instructed to cease and desist the use of the device 'for purposes of shocking students'. No evidence was presented that John Freshwater used the Tesla Coil for any purpose thereafter. The issue and incident was dealt with by the administration. That case was closed."

For a copy of Shepherd's report and a copy of the school board's resolution firing Freshwater, see my article, "School board votes 4-1 to fire Freshwater."

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Oliver Canterberry

Columbus, OH

#9 Feb 17, 2014
These same liberals will have no problem with paying for Muslim foot washing stalls, pork prohibitions or halal meals for Muslim students at the expense of Christian students.

Islam is growing stronger each day while conservative Christians like Mr. Freshwater and strong Christian Coach Dave Daubenmire are hated for their beliefs.
Duke for Mayor

Medina, OH

#10 Feb 17, 2014
Marvin Glep wrote:
Headline's clearly wrong. Editor meant to say "...stirs talk of reforming how teachers are railroaded out of their jobs due to phony accusations by kids who harm themselves, sue the school for it, and then blame their teachers who are outspoken in their faith and therefore MUST be gotten rid of." That headline would be much closer to the truth.
I hope the Mt. Vernon School District goes bankruptover the cost of this very public lynching of John Freshwater.
Agree...

woof
Duke for Mayor

Medina, OH

#11 Feb 17, 2014
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
These same liberals will have no problem with paying for Muslim foot washing stalls, pork prohibitions or halal meals for Muslim students at the expense of Christian students.
Islam is growing stronger each day while conservative Christians like Mr. Freshwater and strong Christian Coach Dave Daubenmire are hated for their beliefs.
Agree...

woof

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