Ohio will learn soon whether fast-tra...

Ohio will learn soon whether fast-train plan gets stimulus mone...

There are 50 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Dec 28, 2009, titled Ohio will learn soon whether fast-train plan gets stimulus mone.... In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Ohio has plenty of President Barack Obama's economic stimulus package left to spend in 2010, but it's the big prize that hangs in the balance: the prospects of landing funds for a marquee train project.

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Shokanman

Columbus, OH

#21 Dec 28, 2009
It will cost considerably more than $564 Million to build to infrastructure to handle 200MPH trains.
karon

AOL

#22 Dec 28, 2009
Europe and Japan seem to have plenty of money for high speed passenger trains! They are smart countries that take care of there citizens and they realize that transportation options are a productive thing to offer!
skeptical observer

Columbus, OH

#24 Dec 28, 2009
Fed Up wrote:
Govt. spending has never, NEVER boosted the economy.
Nonsense. WWII is widely recognized as having ended the Depression. Of course spending boosts the economy.
skeptical observer

Columbus, OH

#25 Dec 28, 2009
Unlike the posters here, many of whom have apparently never left the farm, I just returned from a stay in Europe where I marveled at the wonderful network of clean, quiet trains. Of course we need trains and should have never allowed train service to lapse.
I am Joe The Plumber

Bellefontaine, OH

#27 Dec 29, 2009
karon wrote:
JOE the Plumber, you have to remember that gas prices are rising when gas get over 4 dollars again people are going to be stranded. We need all FORMS of transportation not just cars! I highly suggest you watch the documentary and you can google this it is called , TAKEN FOR A RIDE, this state has been hurt tremendously with a car only policy!
I'm a big fan of the old intra-urban train system, unfortunately that system is long gone thanks to govt corruption by auto maker money. What I am saying is that this will be a multi-billion dollar system that doesn't ever work as promised and will become corrupt by big money and unions. The trains have to use some sort of fuel, by the way. Coal, oil/nat gas, nuclear power are the big three in this state - when the price of one goes up, the other two are sure to follow.
Eddie

Columbus, OH

#28 Dec 29, 2009
They said today on the local news that driving to Cleveland from Columbus typically takes 2.5 hours. The train will take 3. Does not sound like a high speed train to me unless it is making numerous stops. The train might be fun if it takes me directly to the ball park. Or at least in walking distance. Catch a game, drink some beer, and not have to worry about driving back. Other than that I have no use for a train.
I am Joe The Plumber

Bellefontaine, OH

#29 Dec 29, 2009
skeptical observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Nonsense. WWII is widely recognized as having ended the Depression. Of course spending boosts the economy.
So you're saying we need another world war to boost the economy?

Since: Jul 09

New Albany, OH

#30 Dec 29, 2009
Shokanman wrote:
<quoted text>
My mistake. I thought the story stated "Ohio gets $564 million for a 79-mph, startup train service connecting Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton and Cincinnati." Wait.... it did. Nothing in the story indicated that 200 MPH trains will be funded. And steam locomotives exceeded 79 MPH ikn the 1890s.
Yeeaaah... I'm glad you already addressed the issues in his statement. Although I'd be all for bullet train service to all the major cities across the US. Com'on Obama, we need another stimulus!!!
skeptical observer

Columbus, OH

#31 Dec 29, 2009
I am Joe The Plumber wrote:
<quoted text>So you're saying we need another world war to boost the economy?
Not at all. I responded to a post saying that spending doesnt stimulate the economy. Of course it does, but we have a huge economy so it takes large spending to have much impact. Domestic spending actually creates far more jobs than war spending, much of which is wasted on things that blow up.
skeptical observer

Columbus, OH

#32 Dec 29, 2009
I am Joe The Plumber wrote:
<quoted text>So you're saying we need another world war to boost the economy?
Your nickname is the equivalent of Im a Lying Racist Idiot. You might reconsider it.
TeeTee07

Elyria, OH

#33 Dec 29, 2009
People are SO negative these days. I don't think these trains are a waste of money. Not everyone likes to drive for hours, but would rather relax and sleep on a train and get things done. Yes, fare would be expensive, but look at how much one could save on gas, mileage, car maintenance and safety risks. Wake up people!
Dead Parrot

Dublin, OH

#34 Dec 29, 2009
True High Speed rail is 21st Century technology. And for a view of what is possible, take a look at China these days. This line IS SAID to have an average speed of 217 mph between the cities of Guangzhou and Wuhan. Remembering that China is not the US, but the area that they are spending thier yuan on to bring up to modern standards in all aspects of transportation infrastructure is equal to the United States east of the Mississippi in area.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091226/wl_asia_...

Now the 3-C rail proposal is just a starting point to rebuild what was once here. True rail passengers once could traverse Ohio at a much higher speed than is even proposed now. As others have said if we do have a longer lasting gas spike than what hit us last year we may need to have alternate transportation options available. And getting anything done takes longer than setting up the Lionel under the Christmas tree once a year.

Rebuilding our infrastructure is going to take a massive - and sustained - influx of funding that the stimulus, even if it had been targeted as something other than pork can do. If to maintain the roads we have to start paying more in gas taxes or even a replacement of the gas tax with a mileage tax that accounts for the increase in hybrid and electric vehicles, driving will get more expensive. And the ability to get around without driving may be needed.

California will be the first test of how (or even if) a 100% new HSR system will fare. Right now the plans have not even had to deal with the roadblocks (railblocks) that will be thrown up in it's path by NIMBY's, environmental extremists, small government anti-tax types and lord knows who else will crawl out of the woodwork to oppose any planned construction.

Since: Jul 09

New Albany, OH

#35 Dec 29, 2009
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP TALKING ABOUT HIGH SPEED RAIL IN OHIO? The system they want to build isn't high speed.
Dead Parrot

Dublin, OH

#36 Dec 29, 2009
That is the EVENTUAL outcome. The 3-C project is a quick start up that can get passenger rail on track (no pun intended) in a couple of years. A true HSR system may take decades to get to the point where one could get from Cincy to Cleveland in a couple of hours.

Unfortunately in a high speed passenger system as opposed to the original rail development there is little to gain from opening a line from Columbus to Delaware or Cleveland to Medina, the line must be intact between terminus for it to function as designed.
svc

United States

#37 Dec 29, 2009
tip wrote:
No one wants this train. Just like no one wants nationalized healthcare. However, our politicians make a habit of forcing unwanted expenditures and programs upon us....daily decreasing our liberties.
I want this train. I want a public option for healthcare. Not necessarily full-on nationalized care but definitely a bare bones option if I decide to start my own business and can't afford insurance for a few years.

I'm not alone. In case you missed it, discount commuter airlines aren't surviving. That's because it's so expensive to land and take off which is really all you do on commuter hops. high speed rail is the answer. We need 79 mph rail before we get 110 mph service and from there we can start developing 200 mph trains.
Redistributor

Springfield, OH

#38 Dec 29, 2009
Has anyone actually studied what the demand for this train would be? I don't have a problem if the demand is there, but highly doubt it is. Why do they insist on spending money on things we don't need or use?
Bob

Buford, GA

#39 Dec 29, 2009
karon wrote:
Europe and Japan seem to have plenty of money for high speed passenger trains! They are smart countries that take care of there citizens and they realize that transportation options are a productive thing to offer!
"Europe is a smart country that takes care of there citizens" ? They may educate their citizens.
skeptical observer

Columbus, OH

#40 Dec 29, 2009
tip wrote:
No one wants this train. Just like no one wants nationalized healthcare. However, our politicians make a habit of forcing unwanted expenditures and programs upon us....daily decreasing our liberties.
You been readin a little too much Goofy Glenn.
Redistributor

Springfield, OH

#41 Dec 29, 2009
skeptical observer wrote:
<quoted text>
Not at all. I responded to a post saying that spending doesnt stimulate the economy. Of course it does, but we have a huge economy so it takes large spending to have much impact. Domestic spending actually creates far more jobs than war spending, much of which is wasted on things that blow up.
Tax cuts to small business have worked in the past. We came out of the Jimmy Carter nightmare with tax cuts to small businesses. It's a more efficient way for the Government to help. It doesn't cost the Government as much to grant tax cuts as it does to dole money out to the private sector. It primes the pump faster to.
skeptical observer

Columbus, OH

#42 Dec 29, 2009
tip wrote:
No one wants this train. Just like no one wants nationalized healthcare. However, our politicians make a habit of forcing unwanted expenditures and programs upon us....daily decreasing our liberties.
GOP tax cuts for the rich forced us to collectively borrow $2 trillion. I look forward to your reposting your outrage about that, which makes an Ohio train trivial. And at least trains serve a purpose.

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