Ohio will learn soon whether fast-train plan gets stimulus mone...

Full story: Columbus Dispatch

Ohio has plenty of President Barack Obama's economic stimulus package left to spend in 2010, but it's the big prize that hangs in the balance: the prospects of landing funds for a marquee train project.

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And when the stimulus money runs out, who's on the hook for keeping this train on the tracks? The Ohio taxpayer, that's who. Trains, whether high speed or light rail, lose millions per year. User fees don't keep them going.
Another socialist plot to keep more people on the public dole and indebted to the government.
Hey Barry and Ted: I'll tell you where you can stick that train.
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A 79 mph train run by the government, built by Amtrak, and operated by the Unions will be over budget and still take 8 hours to get from Cincinnati to Cleveland at a cost of $50 per passenger each way.
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Who wants to go from Cincinnati to Cleveland anyway? How about a train to Myrtle Beach, Virginia Beach, any beach? That would be used more frequently. Especially now that winter has arrived.
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1. The money will be spent on everything BUT actually building the infrastructure.

2. IF it gets built -Unionized labor will make it impossible to compete with the price of just driving to your destination.

3. Every podunck town along the line will expect the 'high speed' train to stop and wait for 30 minutes for the 3 passengers that might get on.

4. It WILL take you 3 times as long to get to where you are going than just driving there.

5. By the time you pay for parking, pay for the train ticket, pay for transportation at your destination, you will have spent enough money to make the same trip by car 4 times.
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Just what we don't need. Give us the money, but keep the train. I'm sure Ted can find a place for it.

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I'm not usually one for wasting tax dollars on pet projects... but the stimulus money has already be set aside to get wasted by something, so let's have at it! I'm excited about getting a passenger rail system in Ohio... doubt I'll ever use it, unless they connect it to a NYC or Chicago system.
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No one wants this train. Just like no one wants nationalized healthcare. However, our politicians make a habit of forcing unwanted expenditures and programs upon us....daily decreasing our liberties.
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Waste Some More ...... we need real jobs in Ohio TODAY
Detroit Ohio

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Everybody is leaving Ohio...they need a train out of Ohio!
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After the recent incidents, air travel will be so unpleasant that people will be ready to think about going by rail.
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Holler.
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We do NOT need a stupid train system managed by unions & Amtrack. Long term, taxpayers will have to spend money to balance the books. How about paying down the national debt ? I wonder what Mary Jo Pelosi thinks about this idea ?
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These trains are going to bring back the cities of Ohio and create thousands of new jobs for this state.
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I do not think spending money on 19th century technology is very wise.
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Govt. spending has never, NEVER boosted the economy. The only way to boost it is to promote the private sector! History has proven it time and time again. Start investing in companies that will provide jobs here, with the condition that they can't outsource our support after they get on their feet. Peanalise the companies that are outsourcing by increasing their taxes to level the playing feild so they will stop outsourcing! That's what it's going to take. The more people and companies paying into the system, the more offset there is going to be to the cost. If money was to be made in rail systems, why isn't the private sector buying into it? I don't see Wolfe's, Wexner's, Nationwide or any other of the bigdogs investing in this!
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karon wrote:
These trains are going to bring back the cities of Ohio and create thousands of new jobs for this state.
This will be as bad as COTA or any other govt run transit system. For every dollar spent by people riding COTA, an additional 5 dollars of tax money is spent to subsidize it. What good is it?
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JOE the Plumber, you have to remember that gas prices are rising when gas get over 4 dollars again people are going to be stranded. We need all FORMS of transportation not just cars! I highly suggest you watch the documentary and you can google this it is called , TAKEN FOR A RIDE, this state has been hurt tremendously with a car only policy!
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Fed Up wrote:
Govt. spending has never, NEVER boosted the economy. The only way to boost it is to promote the private sector! History has proven it time and time again. Start investing in companies that will provide jobs here, with the condition that they can't outsource our support after they get on their feet. Peanalise the companies that are outsourcing by increasing their taxes to level the playing feild so they will stop outsourcing! That's what it's going to take. The more people and companies paying into the system, the more offset there is going to be to the cost. If money was to be made in rail systems, why isn't the private sector buying into it? I don't see Wolfe's, Wexner's, Nationwide or any other of the bigdogs investing in this!
Your statement "Govt. spending has never, NEVER boosted the economy." is patently false. There are many examples of government spending boosting the economy. Usually it is spending on new military technology that migrates to the public that creates new markets. Without that government spending there would not be sufficient initial capital to start up the industry. A simple example is the Interstate Highway System. Another more complex example is the development of the Air Transportation system. Airports, Air Traffic Control, and Air Safety all were developed with government spending. Without that spending, our economy would not be nearly as mobile. Finally, the number of new products and services initally developed for the space race (e.g. Mylar, WD-40) were created with government spending.

Now, I do not agree with government spending on 19th century technology (high speed rail) but spending on new technologies that enhance national security or develop new markets are a valid. I personally believe that we MUST find energy alternatives to imported oil. If we do not, we will become dependent financially and strategically on countries that do not have our best interests at heart. I could not care less about climate change, but burning oil is unpatriotic.
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200 hundred mile per hour train is 19th century technology? Japan and Europe have many of these. The only high speed train in the United States is the aclea which is located in the northeast. United States is very behind to transportation!
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karon wrote:
200 hundred mile per hour train is 19th century technology? Japan and Europe have many of these. The only high speed train in the United States is the aclea which is located in the northeast. United States is very behind to transportation!
My mistake. I thought the story stated "Ohio gets $564 million for a 79-mph, startup train service connecting Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton and Cincinnati." Wait.... it did. Nothing in the story indicated that 200 MPH trains will be funded. And steam locomotives exceeded 79 MPH ikn the 1890s.

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