Cold, Sobering Reality 4 Marriage Redefiners

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#1 Apr 3, 2013
If you’ve been paying attention to the left’s side of the discussion on the marriage debate, it’s obvious this issue brings out a whole new stupid in some people.

That’s probably because there are no good reasons for redefining marriage. Not even good emotional reasons. I can come up with good emotional reasons for a welfare state. Granted, I don’t agree with them, but I can come up with them. But the argument for redefining marriage basically comes down to “because I wanna.” So when the basis of your argument emulates a child throwing a tantrum at Wal-Mart, you tend to come off as childish.


Last week I witnessed a lot of childish clichés from the left that are so easily debunked, they’re actually a better argument for shutting down America’s government school system before it finishes off whatever is left of critical thinking in this country.

Cliché No. 1 – Where does the government get off telling two consenting adults they can’t love one another?

Actually, the government tells consenting adults they can’t love each other all the time – like when they’re brother and sister. Still, the last I checked no one is currently sitting in jail for being in a consensual homosexual relationship. If you’re currently in a consensual homosexual relationship, have you personally witnessed any black helicopters peering into your bedroom? If so, your supplier got you a bad stash.

Cliché No. 2 – This is my right!

In our system of government there are two kinds of rights – inalienable and contractual. Inalienable rights come from the “Laws of Nature and Nature’s God.” They require no consent, because they are inherent to you being created in the image of God. Because you exist you have these rights. For example, you don’t need someone’s consent to breathe because you have a natural right to life. You don’t have a natural right to have sex with whomever you want, because the sex act requires consent from another party. We typically call people who think they have a right to have sex with whomever they want rapists or sexual predators, and put them in prison. Should another consenting adult decide he/she would like to engage in homosexual practices with you, then you have his/her consent. And as I pointed out before, no one is in jail for having consensual homosexual contact with another adult. Therefore, your rights aren’t being violated. That falsely assumes, of course, you have a “right” at any point to do that which your Creator says is wrong, but that is a topic for another column.

Cliché No. 3 – You’re on the wrong side of history.

So let me get this straight, those clamoring for Western civilization to return to the pagan culture of child sacrifice (abortion), nature worship (radical environmentalism) and sexual deviancy (redefining marriage) that was set aside in favor of the Judeo-Christian moral ethic a millennia ago are on the right side of history? You’re not a progressive, but a regressive, urging us to return to the failed barbarism rejected centuries ago by those who made the freedom and liberty you currently enjoy possible. Besides, I thought you postmodernists rejected history because it’s written by the winners anyway.

Cliché No. 4 – Who gave government the authority to determine whether my relationship is valid or not?

I’ll make you a deal – you be intellectually consistent by calling for the legalization of polygamy and polyamory, and then I’ll actually entertain this argument on limited-government grounds. Until then, you’re just as guilty of “discrimination” as those dastardly conservatives still bitterly clinging to their guns and their religion.

To part 2:

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#2 Apr 3, 2013
Cliché No. 5 – The demographics are against you.

What kind of culture decides to reject the wisdom of its grandparents married for 50 years in order to listen to those whose biggest worries are whether Mountain Dew Code Red is still in stock or “Modern Family” is a repeat this week? Answer: a dumb and arrogant one. I am 39 years old. There were lots of things I believed when I was 21 or 25 I don’t believe anymore now that I have children, a job and attend church. I no longer believe flunking out of college to play Super Tecmo Bowl is cool, or that Busch Light actually tastes good, or that I want to be the next Ron Jeremy. Here’s a great idea. Let’s reject the moral standard of those that actually made America, and replace it with the one from all the people destroying it with $16.3 trillion in debt. Genius! Wicked awesome, dude.

Cliché No. 6 – Homosexuality is in nature so it’s natural.

There’s also the licking of one’s own genitals, the flinging of one’s own feces, and the eating of live prey and then vomiting it back up to feed your offspring in nature, too. You’ll excuse me if I think we ought to shoot for a slightly higher standard.

Cliché No. 7 – The government isn’t going to interfere with your church if we redefine marriage.

You mean like the government hasn’t been interfering with our churches for decades via IRS regulations? Pardon me if your assurances don’t exactly give me a warm fuzzy.

When these easily debunked clichés amount to the basis for redefining all of Western civilization, it’s not losing this debate that will finish us off. The fact we’re having it in the first place is a sign we may already be finished.

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#3 Apr 3, 2013
"You're on the wrong side of history", proclaims the ultra-liberal marriage-redefiners.

They, they would have you believe, are on the *right* side of history.

Because it is *they* who know best.

Better.

Better, and more wiser than our forefathers.

And the God which inspired them to write our Nation's founding documents.

They and their god were inept,hateful bigots, and as proof, the longest era of prosperity of any civilation on Earth (America, the Land whose Constitution was based on a theistic frame of reference.)

But we must forget that frame of reference, or that longevity: they had it all wrong.

It has only come to light, it has only now been revealed by those who have "pride" parades, those who march down the streets in outrageous, lewd costumes that have finally 'evolved' to the degree which our forefathers could've never aspired to.

It is only these new "enlightened" cultural revolutionaries who have the authoritive, final grasp of *true* rightiousness.

For it was only them who always marched in the same parades as NAMBLA, before it was realized what a huge PR nightmare this represented. Of course, these MUST be the final authority on rightiousness. Our forefathers could've never concieved of marching in parades with advocates of child molestation, because they, obviously, were on the "wrong side of history".

Yea.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#4 Apr 3, 2013
You are going to lose. It might take one year or it might take twenty, but it's going to happen.

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#5 Apr 3, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
You are going to lose. It might take one year or it might take twenty, but it's going to happen.
So then "marriage equality" isn't really about those two words at all, is it? It's all about vanquishing a foe, about making someone "lose".

Thank you so much for personifying the irrational bigotry which typifies gay activists.

“Meh.”

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#7 Apr 4, 2013
Someday, I would really love having someone with a clear philosophy background and an armload of patience sign on here to give an exhaustively complete tutorial on what natural law means and has meant in different contexts.

Hang on, I'll see if I can find a video lecture or super easy flowchart that gets the basics across.

Topix, as a whole, sorely needs it.
Oliver Canterberry

New Albany, OH

#8 Apr 4, 2013
Listen4truth wrote:
If you’ve been paying attention to the left’s side of the discussion on the marriage debate, it’s obvious this issue brings out a whole new stupid in some people.
That’s probably because there are no good reasons for redefining marriage. Not even good emotional reasons. I can come up with good emotional reasons for a welfare state. Granted, I don’t agree with them, but I can come up with them. But the argument for redefining marriage basically comes down to “because I wanna.” So when the basis of your argument emulates a child throwing a tantrum at Wal-Mart, you tend to come off as childish.
Last week I witnessed a lot of childish clichés from the left that are so easily debunked, they’re actually a better argument for shutting down America’s government school system before it finishes off whatever is left of critical thinking in this country.
Cliché No. 1 – Where does the government get off telling two consenting adults they can’t love one another?
Actually, the government tells consenting adults they can’t love each other all the time – like when they’re brother and sister. Still, the last I checked no one is currently sitting in jail for being in a consensual homosexual relationship. If you’re currently in a consensual homosexual relationship, have you personally witnessed any black helicopters peering into your bedroom? If so, your supplier got you a bad stash.
Cliché No. 2 – This is my right!
In our system of government there are two kinds of rights – inalienable and contractual. Inalienable rights come from the “Laws of Nature and Nature’s God.” They require no consent, because they are inherent to you being created in the image of God. Because you exist you have these rights. For example, you don’t need someone’s consent to breathe because you have a natural right to life. You don’t have a natural right to have sex with whomever you want, because the sex act requires consent from another party. We typically call people who think they have a right to have sex with whomever they want rapists or sexual predators, and put them in prison. Should another consenting adult decide he/she would like to engage in homosexual practices with you, then you have his/her consent. And as I pointed out before, no one is in jail for having consensual homosexual contact with another adult. Therefore, your rights aren’t being violated. That falsely assumes, of course, you have a “right” at any point to do that which your Creator says is wrong, but that is a topic for another column.
Cliché No. 3 – You’re on the wrong side of history.
So let me get this straight, those clamoring for Western civilization to return to the pagan culture of child sacrifice (abortion), nature worship (radical environmentalism) and sexual deviancy (redefining marriage) that was set aside in favor of the Judeo-Christian moral ethic a millennia ago are on the right side of history? You’re not a progressive, but a regressive, urging us to return to the failed barbarism rejected centuries ago by those who made the freedom and liberty you currently enjoy possible. Besides, I thought you postmodernists rejected history because it’s written by the winners anyway.
Cliché No. 4 – Who gave government the authority to determine whether my relationship is valid or not?
I’ll make you a deal – you be intellectually consistent by calling for the legalization of polygamy and polyamory, and then I’ll actually entertain this argument on limited-government grounds. Until then, you’re just as guilty of “discrimination” as those dastardly conservatives still bitterly clinging to their guns and their religion.
To part 2:
You forgot the strongest argument:

"Thou shall not like with mankind as with womankind. It is abomination." Leviticus 18:22.

Never forget that, "The Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah" Genesis 19:24.

Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#9 Apr 4, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
You are going to lose. It might take one year or it might take twenty, but it's going to happen.
I want to marry my sister....OK?

I want to marry these 7 women....flavor of the week.

Can I marry a sheep?....it does not want a prenep, and loves good sex.

prior to the supreme court discussing above, homosexual marriage can't be. They all are exactly the same type of marriage above.

fantasy.
Delphi

Cincinnati, OH

#10 Apr 4, 2013
The strongest argument against perv marriage is that sodomy and abortion proclivities of perverts are not worthy of a public subsidy via a marriage license.

In the not so distant past, local goverments and state governments could deny a marriage license for a variety of good reasons....

sodomy
elective abortion
obscenity
child endangerment
mental deficiency
STD
moral turpitude

Perverts used typical shyster lawyer methods and fedgov bullying to eliminate the power of local governments to impose minimum standards for acquiring a marriage license. Perverts have caused the problem of many bad marriages today, due to their deliberate crusade to eliminate minimum standards imposed by state and local government.

Perv shysters successfully lobbied to get elective abortion, sodomy, pornography, AIDS treatment and hate speech prosecutions all recognized and protected as federal civil rights.

Pervs often refer to their proclivities as love, perverting language too. If you've been paying any attention, you'd notice that mass media never mention the word "sodomy" anymore. Mass media perverts refer to sodomy as anal sex or oral sex, perverting the original meaning of the word sex, a reproductive act. Likewise, abortion is referred to as a "reproductive right" by mass media queers.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#11 Apr 4, 2013
Listen4truth wrote:
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So then "marriage equality" isn't really about those two words at all, is it? It's all about vanquishing a foe, about making someone "lose".
No, that's merely a consequence.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#12 Apr 4, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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I want to marry my sister....OK?
As long as your sister is a consenting adult, I don't care if you do or not.
I want to marry these 7 women....flavor of the week.
Fine by me.
Can I marry a sheep?....it does not want a prenep, and loves good sex.
What is it with you guys bringing up sex with children or animals all the time. Can't get none anywhere else?

Sheep are not consenting adults.
prior to the supreme court discussing above, homosexual marriage can't be. They all are exactly the same type of marriage above.
fantasy.
Thanks for sharing your fantasies.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#13 Apr 4, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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No, that's merely a consequence.
Or, if it makes you feel more victimized, a "bonus".

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#14 Apr 4, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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You forgot the strongest argument:
"Thou shall not like with mankind as with womankind. It is abomination." Leviticus 18:22.
Never forget that, "The Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah" Genesis 19:24.
Tueva (hope I spelled that right) is a hebrew word which is the strongest word of condemnation found anywhere in the Bible. It is only brought out when addressing homosexuality, and then again with sex with animals.

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#15 Apr 4, 2013
We mustn't forget: this (prop 8) was a SETTLED ISSUE in that state, until a homosexual judge got his hands on it and overruled the will of the People of California. Legal malpractice - he should've recused himself.

That's like Bob Marley becoming a judge and making a ruling on decriminalizing pot.

The gay marriage case which is inundating the news now was already settled - voted down by the populace. ONly when a corrupt, activist judge got his hands on it did it become prolonged.

Why can't gay "rights" unfold within the democratic process, instead of such political corruption?

It's because, there's never enough polish you can put on a turd to distract from it being a turd.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#16 Apr 4, 2013
Listen4truth wrote:
We mustn't forget: this (prop 8) was a SETTLED ISSUE in that state, until a homosexual judge got his hands on it and overruled the will of the People of California. Legal malpractice - he should've recused himself.
The people of California took a right away from the minority of people who already had the right. That's called "mob rule" and that is why "the will of the people" will be overturned in that case. DOMA will be overturned because the federal government exists to meet the needs of the states, and as several states have legalized same-gender marriage, those states "need" the Federal government to recognize marriages created in those states.

As I said in the other thread, you'd be screaming bloody murder if "the people" voted away your right to bear arms.

Oh, and don't worry. When both of those cases get overturned, I'll be here to rub your hypocritical nose in it.

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#17 Apr 4, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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The people of California took a right away from the minority of people who already had the right. That's called "mob rule" and that is why "the will of the people" will be overturned in that case. DOMA will be overturned because the federal government exists to meet the needs of the states, and as several states have legalized same-gender marriage, those states "need" the Federal government to recognize marriages created in those states.
As I said in the other thread, you'd be screaming bloody murder if "the people" voted away your right to bear arms.
Oh, and don't worry. When both of those cases get overturned, I'll be here to rub your hypocritical nose in it.
No they didn't fu**ing have the right, because their "identity" fell short of the standard recognizing them as a suspect class. They have no immutable, unchangable characteristic (ex-gays), they most definitely are not powerless (the gay lobby commands hundreds of millions of dollars a year), and there has been found not a single biological ideology to support "born that way".

The thing which you strive to make the seat of your personhood is a transient, malleable, subjective behavioral trait (ever seen a gay cadaver?), one which no sound legal judgement can be based on (well, in the absence of activist judges, that is).

You are living out the words of your communist prophet, Karl Marx, who stated that the best way to take down a nation is to abolish the nuclear family. Harry Hay,the father of the gay "rights" movement in America, taught Marxism 18 yrs prior to that. He also was a passionate champion of NAMBLA. The founder of NAMBLA was an editor of a major homosexual publication of the time. And who can forget, in early publications of homosexual newspaper The Advocate, one could routinely find advertisements for sex dolls in the shape and size of little boys.

"Marriage Equality" is wrong, only because homosexuality is wrong. It's always wrong. Because it's the bridge that can only lead to anarchy - a total breakdown of family sensibilities which is the bedrock of a healthy society (called marriage).

When gay marriage is the law of the land, there will be no logical basis to deny marriage to anyone, any permutation of individuals or combination therof.

As was proven in Massechusettes, when gay marriage became legal there, it made gay-affirming lessons in that States schools mandatory -as explicitly stated by that State's Supreme Court. The man who took his case all the way to the Supreme Court on that was told as much, after objecting to his 5 year old bringing home a gay book, without that parents knowledge or consent.

Gay marriage is the official liscence to brainwash children in schools.

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#18 Apr 4, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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The people of California took a right away from the minority of people who already had the right. That's called "mob rule" and that is why "the will of the people" will be overturned in that case. DOMA will be overturned because the federal government exists to meet the needs of the states, and as several states have legalized same-gender marriage, those states "need" the Federal government to recognize marriages created in those states.
As I said in the other thread, you'd be screaming bloody murder if "the people" voted away your right to bear arms.
Oh, and don't worry. When both of those cases get overturned, I'll be here to rub your hypocritical nose in it.
Oh yes, and I know you will. When and if that day comes, you will be one of those who gets drunk to celebrate and form a mob in front of the doors of Evangelical churches to harrass, ridicule and berate them to gloat all over your victory.

You are a lying reprobate. You slink to-and-fro upon the scales of your belly, concealed by the tall grass, absorbed with your mission to sew seeds of immorality.

Like when your forefather told Adam and Eve "Has God not said", to make them question the rightiousness and truths in their hearts which they had been born with.

You are a malicious, militant, vicious, recriminatory, vindicative hater of humanity. Not just you, TonyD2, but all gay activists.

It's little wonder your movement was begun by the same individuals who perpetrated the Holocaust.

And it was they who stated that after the Jews, the Christians were next. Luckily for Hitler and Co. the TonyD2's of the world got a firm bullseye on Christianity, and a firm battle plan to sink it into the abyss.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

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#19 Apr 5, 2013
Listen4truth wrote:
<quoted text>
No they didn't fu**ing have the right,
Losing our temper are we?:)

because their "identity" fell short of the standard recognizing them as a suspect class. They have no immutable, unchangable characteristic (ex-gays), they most definitely are not powerless (the gay lobby commands hundreds of millions of dollars a year), and there has been found not a single biological ideology to support "born that way".

Prior to Prop. 8, it was LEGAL for gays to marry in California, thus it was their right. Prop. 8 took away that right.
The thing which you strive to make the seat of your personhood is a transient, malleable, subjective behavioral trait (ever seen a gay cadaver?), one which no sound legal judgement can be based on (well, in the absence of activist judges, that is).[QUOTE]

Ever seen a talking cadaver? Then how can we have freedom of speech?

[QUOTE]You are living out the words of your communist prophet, Karl Marx,[QUOTE]

Nope. I'm a hard-core capitalist who votes Republican most of the time. I believe that governments should be fiscally conservative, but otherwise stay the hell out of people's business as long as they are not demonstrably harming each other.

[QUOTE] who stated that the best way to take down a nation is to abolish the nuclear family. Harry Hay,the father of the gay "rights" movement in America, taught Marxism 18 yrs prior to that. He also was a passionate champion of NAMBLA. The founder of NAMBLA was an editor of a major homosexual publication of the time. And who can forget, in early publications of homosexual newspaper The Advocate, one could routinely find advertisements for sex dolls in the shape and size of little boys.
"Marriage Equality" is wrong, only because homosexuality is wrong. It's always wrong. Because it's the bridge that can only lead to anarchy - a total breakdown of family sensibilities which is the bedrock of a healthy society (called marriage).
When gay marriage is the law of the land, there will be no logical basis to deny marriage to anyone, any permutation of individuals or combination therof.[QUOTE]

God judges, not you.

[QUOTE]As was proven in Massechusettes, when gay marriage became legal there, it made gay-affirming lessons in that States schools mandatory -as explicitly stated by that State's Supreme Court. The man who took his case all the way to the Supreme Court on that was told as much, after objecting to his 5 year old bringing home a gay book, without that parents knowledge or consent.
Gay marriage is the official liscence to brainwash children in schools.
If I were you, I'd start homeschooling right away.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

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#20 Apr 5, 2013
Listen4truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh yes, and I know you will. When and if that day comes, you will be one of those who gets drunk to celebrate and form a mob in front of the doors of Evangelical churches to harrass, ridicule and berate them to gloat all over your victory.

I will celebrate gained liberty. I will celebrate just as hard when the court tells the gun haters to go pound sand. In my eyes, it is exactly the same issue.

[QUOTE]You are a lying reprobate.
Can you show even one lie I've told?
You slink to-and-fro upon the scales of your belly, concealed by the tall grass, absorbed with your mission to sew seeds of immorality.

Like when your forefather told Adam and Eve "Has God not said", to make them question the rightiousness and truths in their hearts which they had been born with.
You are a malicious, militant, vicious, recriminatory, vindicative hater of humanity. Not just you, TonyD2, but all gay activists.
I'm a liberty activist.
It's little wonder your movement was begun by the same individuals who perpetrated the Holocaust.
As I remember, they executed homosexuals too.
And it was they who stated that after the Jews, the Christians were next. Luckily for Hitler and Co. the TonyD2's of the world got a firm bullseye on Christianity, and a firm battle plan to sink it into the abyss.
I had nothing to do with your lessening fertility rates.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#22 Apr 5, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
As long as your sister is a consenting adult, I don't care if you do or not.
<quoted text>
Fine by me.
<quoted text>
What is it with you guys bringing up sex with children or animals all the time. Can't get none anywhere else?
Sheep are not consenting adults.
<quoted text>
Thanks for sharing your fantasies.
whatever.....go pack some poop

morals you lack.

in same sex marriages, how many partners can you have?

is an even dozen fair?

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