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“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#23 Dec 13, 2013
tranpsosition wrote:
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While I'm sure you're not aware of this, first cousin marriage has been legal throughout England for the whole of legal marriage practices (it is thought that these marriages would also have been common in pre-legal religious marriages but less documentation exists on these) making these an occurrence that ranged from fairly rare for the small but growing urban skilled laboring class in the 16th century to quite common in rural and upper class through the 19th century and early 20th centuries. While they've grown less popular with the changing definitions of what a family member means, they continue to be legal here and have been a large part of the legal and cultural landscape for at least as long as marriage has been legally administered in England.
It's been legal in parts of the US and still is in a few states, but a general climate of distaste reigns over it, even in times when the marriage concept has been devalued.

Consanguinaty (Sp?) has a history of restriction in the Western tradtion as old as that of first cousin marriage.

Beyond the obvious biological defeciency.

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#24 Dec 13, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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It's been legal in parts of the US and still is in a few states, but a general climate of distaste reigns over it, even in times when the marriage concept has been devalued.
Consanguinaty (Sp?) has a history of restriction in the Western tradtion as old as that of first cousin marriage.
Beyond the obvious biological defeciency.
The change in interpreting kinship patterns and ties are what have changed in some modern Western interpretations of consanguinity lines.

Except that legally and culturally the movement away from this relationship pattern is both recent and gentle.

Pretending this is a family pattern unique to a specific culture or set while it's been a significant part of the legal and cultural makeup of family patterns in both the UK and US across majority class patterns for must of the recorded legal history of both nations seems born of either ignorance of this history or a petulant need to recast this history.

There's an incredible amount written on the development of family unit patterns in different cultures, classes and settings. As you seem very interested in the general subject, I would really recommend looking into the subject further and doing some reading. It's all pretty interesting!
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#25 Dec 13, 2013
inbreeding is a significant part of the legal and cultural makeup of family patterns in both the UK and US across majority class patterns for most of the recorded legal history of both nations.
As a person has delved extensively into the genealogy of all branches of my family and of others I have to call your hand at that.
I hae traced branches of my family and others in the Isles prior to the 1066 Norman invasion and branches on the continent to BCE, I added the E for before common era instead of BC Before Christ, not to offend you haters of Christ and/or Christianity.
In my family found one instance of two first cousins marrying in the 1770s on the Virginia frontier between two first generation German Americans. Only one in America, Isles and Europe.
This practice is NOT near prevalent in the evil European civilization as you, poster 24, allege.

“Meh.”

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#26 Dec 13, 2013
dunadd wrote:
inbreeding is a significant part of the legal and cultural makeup of family patterns in both the UK and US across majority class patterns for most of the recorded legal history of both nations.
As a person has delved extensively into the genealogy of all branches of my family and of others I have to call your hand at that.
I hae traced branches of my family and others in the Isles prior to the 1066 Norman invasion and branches on the continent to BCE, I added the E for before common era instead of BC Before Christ, not to offend you haters of Christ and/or Christianity.
In my family found one instance of two first cousins marrying in the 1770s on the Virginia frontier between two first generation German Americans. Only one in America, Isles and Europe.
This practice is NOT near prevalent in the evil European civilization as you, poster 24, allege.
I have literally no idea how to respond to someone who greets research with anecdotes. I can't really think of any gentle way to steer the conversation into more intelligent waters that's not going to sound snarky or sarcastic. Thus, I'll just include a short reading list to allow you to do some research yourself.

You'll need journal access to get most of these. Let me know if you don't have that manner of access and I'll see what sort of help I can manage. Your local library may be able to assist you with access to many of these.

http://jfh.sagepub.com/content/11/3/285.short
http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/175534...

The above both document Victorian English study, the last of which has a great look at what levels of kinship were considered too close, which is pretty interesting!

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/1923417...

Article documenting preference of cousin marriages in Colonial New England States

http://ije.oxfordjournals.org/content/38/6/14...
This one is great as it's not paywalled. Highly recommended reading.

Sorry that these are some of the only ones left in my bookmarks. Though, thinking about it further, it's a pretty specific legal history novelty, so I'm glad to have had any of them on hand!
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#27 Dec 13, 2013
doing research into my illustrious family may be anecdotal to you, but it is pure unadulterated research into an illustrious family even if it is my own.
Where in my post, Queen Tranp, did I mention or even allude to it not happening.
Sorry, Queen, I don't ply the same waters you do. I ain't water sojourner. I am Highlander, more at home in the highlands than plying your seas. Seas are the areas of hurricanes, typhoons, tsunamis and the ongoing slave trade. Never was, are nor will be much slaving in the Hielands.
Sorry to greet your research, Lassie, with my anecdotal truth.
We Highlanders are much below you royalty.
One question, you ain't a royal pain in the rear end to anyone, air YE!

“Meh.”

Since: Aug 10

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#28 Dec 14, 2013
My apologies, I had taken your comment "This practice [of cousin marriage] is NOT near prevalent in the evil European civilization as you, poster 24, allege." to mean...well, that the practice was not as common as I had cited.

I see now that I should perhaps be interpreting your writing as a sort of poorly lettered stream of consciousness piece and look less for content and meaning in it.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#29 Dec 14, 2013
Yes, we trashy street urchins and country bumpkins are much dumber and stupider than your royal highnesses. We are contentless and meaningless.
We are all inbreds like you describe.
You read into my rants things not e'en there. The practice may well be as common as you cite and more than your sweet innocent mind can comprehend but the MAJORITY, major MAJORITY, of we country and mountain folk do NOT partake of such animalistic trashy shenanigans.
It was and is more prevalent in your royalty class than in we lowly peons of moral, good living. And frankly we mountain folk don't appreciate others accusing us of what a few do.
Don't tax your beautiful mind with my or others lowly trashyness to you royals and yes, I spelt trashiness with a y to live up to your expectations we are ignorant.
Now run along princess and hae your royal fun!
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#30 Dec 14, 2013
I won't bother you anymore today, Your Highness, as a group of we cottagers are meeting at our lordship's manor for a Christmas gathering with no liqeurs. Tata and read you on the morrow, after services!

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