10 Quotes Proving the Pope is a Liberal

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Enzyte Bob

Olathe, KS

#1 Aug 5, 2013
Don't skip the last paragraph for the punch line:

10 Quotes That Prove The Pope Is A Liberal

by Pat Archbold Monday, August 05, 2013 12:43 AM Comments (115)

The press has been telling us that Pope Francis, in word and deed, is no less than the total renunciation of Pope Benedict's papacy.
Just this weekend, there has been a flurry of articles praising the Pope for his statements on women and homosexuality and a host of other hot button issues and contrasting him with his doctrinaire and unpastoral predecessor.
Pope Francis' papacy is changing everything about the Church and his comments are a direct affront to traditional Catholics everywhere. The Washington Post put it this way.

"Something unexpected and extraordinary is happening in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis is rescuing the faith from those who hunker down in gilded cathedrals and wield doctrine like a sword. The edifice of fortress Catholicism – in which progressive Catholics, gay Catholics, Catholic women and others who love the church but often feel marginalized by the hierarchy – is starting to crumble."

Now, as much as many of us traditional minded churchgoers have tried to spin it as in continuity with Pope Benedict, I think it is time we face facts. The press is right. The Pope is a liberal and I have the quotes to prove it!
The Pope is soft on Islam.

"It is true that the Muslim world is not totally mistaken when it reproaches the West of Christian tradition of moral decadence and the manipulation of human life."

Encourages Homosexuality.

"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the church's pastors wherever it occurs."

He is focused on the poor:

"Many people today lack hope. They are perplexed by the questions that present themselves ever more urgently in a confusing world, and they are often uncertain which way to turn for answers. They see poverty and injustice and they long to find solutions. "

"Yet if we refuse to share what we have with the hungry and the poor, we make of our possessions a false god. How many voices in our materialist society tell us that happiness is to be found by acquiring as many possessions and luxuries as we can! But this is to make possessions into a false god. Instead of bringing life, they bring death."

He is overtly humble and does not embrace his office:

"The authority of the pope is not unlimited;"

"The cardinals have elected me, a simple and humble worker in the Lord's vineyard. The fact that the Lord can work and act even with insufficient means consoles me, and above all I entrust myself to your prayers."

He makes a point of extolling women and the Church.

“It is theologically and anthropologically important for woman to be at the center of Christianity. Through Mary, and the other holy women, the feminine element stands at the heart of the Christian religion.”

On those neo-pelagians that think they can earn their way to heaven through piety instead of charity:

“If in my life I fail completely to heed others, solely out of a desire to be 'devout' and to perform my 'religious duties', then my relationship with God will also grow arid. It becomes merely 'proper', but loveless.”

He cares about the environment:

“Listen to the voice of the earth...”

He even hates Capitalism:

"the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated capitalism"

So, it is time we face the facts. It is clear that he is a radical departure from previous Popes, in particular his predecessor.

In fairness, I must note that there might be one small problem with my analysis. So small I hesitate to even bring it up. Every quote above is from Pope Benedict. Every one.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/1...
hugh jasol

Delaware, OH

#2 Aug 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Don't skip the last paragraph for the punch line:

10 Quotes That Prove The Pope Is A Liberal

by Pat Archbold Monday, August 05, 2013 12:43 AM Comments (115)

The press has been telling us that Pope Francis, in word and deed, is no less than the total renunciation of Pope Benedict's papacy.
Just this weekend, there has been a flurry of articles praising the Pope for his statements on women and homosexuality and a host of other hot button issues and contrasting him with his doctrinaire and unpastoral predecessor.
Pope Francis' papacy is changing everything about the Church and his comments are a direct affront to traditional Catholics everywhere. The Washington Post put it this way.

"Something unexpected and extraordinary is happening in the Catholic Church. Pope Francis is rescuing the faith from those who hunker down in gilded cathedrals and wield doctrine like a sword. The edifice of fortress Catholicism – in which progressive Catholics, gay Catholics, Catholic women and others who love the church but often feel marginalized by the hierarchy – is starting to crumble."

Now, as much as many of us traditional minded churchgoers have tried to spin it as in continuity with Pope Benedict, I think it is time we face facts. The press is right. The Pope is a liberal and I have the quotes to prove it!
The Pope is soft on Islam.

"It is true that the Muslim world is not totally mistaken when it reproaches the West of Christian tradition of moral decadence and the manipulation of human life."

Encourages Homosexuality.

"It is deplorable that homosexual persons have been and are the object of violent malice in speech or in action. Such treatment deserves condemnation from the church's pastors wherever it occurs."

He is focused on the poor:

"Many people today lack hope. They are perplexed by the questions that present themselves ever more urgently in a confusing world, and they are often uncertain which way to turn for answers. They see poverty and injustice and they long to find solutions. "

"Yet if we refuse to share what we have with the hungry and the poor, we make of our possessions a false god. How many voices in our materialist society tell us that happiness is to be found by acquiring as many possessions and luxuries as we can! But this is to make possessions into a false god. Instead of bringing life, they bring death."

He is overtly humble and does not embrace his office:

"The authority of the pope is not unlimited;"

"The cardinals have elected me, a simple and humble worker in the Lord's vineyard. The fact that the Lord can work and act even with insufficient means consoles me, and above all I entrust myself to your prayers."

He makes a point of extolling women and the Church.

“It is theologically and anthropologically important for woman to be at the center of Christianity. Through Mary, and the other holy women, the feminine element stands at the heart of the Christian religion.”

On those neo-pelagians that think they can earn their way to heaven through piety instead of charity:

“If in my life I fail completely to heed others, solely out of a desire to be 'devout' and to perform my 'religious duties', then my relationship with God will also grow arid. It becomes merely 'proper', but loveless.”

He cares about the environment:

“Listen to the voice of the earth...”

He even hates Capitalism:

"the prevalence of a selfish and individualistic mindset which also finds expression in an unregulated capitalism"

So, it is time we face the facts. It is clear that he is a radical departure from previous Popes, in particular his predecessor.

In fairness, I must note that there might be one small problem with my analysis. So small I hesitate to even bring it up. Every quote above is from Pope Benedict. Every one.

Read more: http://www.ncregister.com/blog/pat-archbold/1...
Jesus was liberal and so is the pontiff.
Enzyte Bob

Bloomington, IN

#3 Aug 6, 2013
hugh jasol wrote:
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Jesus was liberal and so is the pontiff.
Neither Jesus, il Papa nor the Catholic church have ever been for abortions, sexual freedom or gay marriage. And as the quoted text shows Benedict agrees with the Muslims that people like you and the rest of Western pop culture have gone off the rails.
hilljack hunter

Delaware, OH

#4 Aug 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Neither Jesus, il Papa nor the Catholic church have ever been for abortions, sexual freedom or gay marriage. And as the quoted text shows Benedict agrees with the Muslims that people like you and the rest of Western pop culture have gone off the rails.
The church has made their feelings clear about abortion and homosexuality. Because he claimed he will not judge gays....the makes him pro gay marriage?

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#5 Aug 6, 2013
hilljack hunter wrote:
<quoted text>
The church has made their feelings clear about abortion and homosexuality. Because he claimed he will not judge gays....the makes him pro gay marriage?
"...[The Pope] said (in Italian), "Who am I to judge a gay person of goodwill who seeks the Lord?" He noted that the problem with the "gay lobby," if it exists, is not that these people are gay, but that they are a lobby (i.e. that the Vatican is a tangled web of pressure groups and rivalries). Finally, he chided the press for focusing on the alleged homosexual acts of Ricca, distinguishing them from the criminal matters like sexual predation on children. Criminals should be punished, but if Ricca sinned, then confessed, he must be forgiven. "When the Lord forgives," the Pope said, "the Lord forgets."

Francis did not just normalize Catholic perceptions on homosexuality; nor did he address the theological position on sex outside of procreative intercourse between married men and women. In reality, the only concrete matter he touched on was priests who are homosexual but celibate...."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/arch...
Enzyte Bob

Olathe, KS

#6 Aug 6, 2013
hilljack hunter wrote:
<quoted text>
The church has made their feelings clear about abortion and homosexuality. Because he claimed he will not judge gays....the makes him pro gay marriage?
Only someone with your sick, perverted, HIV-infested brain would interpret Pope Francis as condoning gay marriage. The Pope only said that gays should be treated with compassion as a human being. He isn't encouraging them to go buhtt sexing all over San Francisco.

In fact, his position is that someone with gay tendencies should be treated as a human being. That is distinguished from someone who has gay tendencies and engages in buhtt sex. That is still a sin and no matter how much you freaks try to twist what Pope Francis said, it is always going to be a sin ... a dirty, disease-spreading sin.

Now go take your HIV cocktail and your urihne injection. It's almost bedtime. Freak.
hilljack hunter

Delaware, OH

#7 Aug 6, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>"...[The Pope] said (in Italian), "Who am I to judge a gay person of goodwill who seeks the Lord?" He noted that the problem with the "gay lobby," if it exists, is not that these people are gay, but that they are a lobby (i.e. that the Vatican is a tangled web of pressure groups and rivalries). Finally, he chided the press for focusing on the alleged homosexual acts of Ricca, distinguishing them from the criminal matters like sexual predation on children. Criminals should be punished, but if Ricca sinned, then confessed, he must be forgiven. "When the Lord forgives," the Pope said, "the Lord forgets."

Francis did not just normalize Catholic perceptions on homosexuality; nor did he address the theological position on sex outside of procreative intercourse between married men and women. In reality, the only concrete matter he touched on was priests who are homosexual but celibate...."


http://www.theatlantic.com/international/arch...
Okay? Thanks again for the "copy and paste" post. For the record, Vatican spokesman Frederico Lombardi brushed off the story as "not credible".

Do I believe the story in the Atlantic? Possibly, I wouldn't be shocked if it were true. A group as large as the Catholic Church has and will continue to make mistakes. Hopefully they will continue to evolve and preach to the world to live in Jesus' image.
Enzyte Bob

Olathe, KS

#8 Aug 6, 2013
hilljack hunter wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay? Thanks again for the "copy and paste" post. For the record, Vatican spokesman Frederico Lombardi brushed off the story as "not credible".
Do I believe the story in the Atlantic? Possibly, I wouldn't be shocked if it were true. A group as large as the Catholic Church has and will continue to make mistakes. Hopefully they will continue to evolve and preach to the world to live in Jesus' image.
Jesus didn't have a feces-infested bloodstream and he also didn't ooze blood from behind.

Get this through your freaking secular, HIV-infested brain:

1. Gay tendencies but celibate? The church is okay with that and says you should be treated with compassion ... just like you treat a kid with Down's Syndrome.

2. Gay tendencies and buhtt sexing all over town? The church is NOT okay with that. You are a sinner. Go join some fast shrinking liberal Protestant Church like the Episcopal Church if you want to be accepted by other freaks such as yourself.

Have a nice day, freak.
hugh jasol

Delaware, OH

#9 Aug 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus didn't have a feces-infested bloodstream and he also didn't ooze blood from behind.

Get this through your freaking secular, HIV-infested brain:

1. Gay tendencies but celibate? The church is okay with that and says you should be treated with compassion ... just like you treat a kid with Down's Syndrome.

2. Gay tendencies and buhtt sexing all over town? The church is NOT okay with that. You are a sinner. Go join some fast shrinking liberal Protestant Church like the Episcopal Church if you want to be accepted by other freaks such as yourself.

Have a nice day, freak.
You're catholic? Doubt it.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#10 Aug 6, 2013
hugh jasol wrote:
<quoted text>
You're catholic? Doubt it.
hahahahaha

Poor little trollie.

Keep yanking Bob's chain, this should be fun to watch.

Since: Jun 13

Hilliard, OH

#11 Aug 6, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
hahahahaha
Poor little trollie.
Keep yanking Bob's chain, this should be fun to watch.
Oh, yeah...this one's going to be fun.
Will they ever learn?
Enzyte Bob

Olathe, KS

#12 Aug 6, 2013
hugh jasol wrote:
<quoted text>
You're catholic? Doubt it.
Listen moron, I am not only Catholic, but a REAL Catholic. As in, OLD SCHOOL CATHOLIC. Not Western secular Catholic.

REAL CATHOLICS aren't idiots like you who want to turn churches into hippie dope smoke outs and Rainbow Coalition retreats. Even the Jew Billy Joel knows what a real Catholic at least used to be like ("Catholic girls start much too late ...").

Now go find some hip Episcopal church with the woman priest and the rainbow flag out front. You;ll be right at home there, sodomite.

THERE IS NO SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. AND CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC CHURCHES WILL NOT MARRY FECES-INFESTED, DISEASED FREAKS!!!

======

Maybe traditional Episcopalian the late Charlton Heston can explain morality on such things better for you:

Charlton: "By my last weeks on campus, I was preoccupied with getting Lydia (Clarke, who became his wife) into bed or married to me. She rejected both options with adamantine resolve. She had no intention of getting pregnant or wed: she was determined to get her degree. Desperately, I fell back on the ploy soldiers have used for centuries. "You realize you may never see me again. We must have something to carry in our hearts! It may be years, it may be never!" It was a heart-breaking performance, not least because I meant it, but it never dented her resolve."

Source: Jack Canfield, Mark Victor. "My Girl, My Wife." Chicken Soup for the Couple's Soul. pg. 280.
hugh jasol

Upper Sandusky, OH

#13 Aug 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Listen moron, I am not only Catholic, but a REAL Catholic. As in, OLD SCHOOL CATHOLIC. Not Western secular Catholic.

REAL CATHOLICS aren't idiots like you who want to turn churches into hippie dope smoke outs and Rainbow Coalition retreats. Even the Jew Billy Joel knows what a real Catholic at least used to be like ("Catholic girls start much too late ...").

Now go find some hip Episcopal church with the woman priest and the rainbow flag out front. You;ll be right at home there, sodomite.

THERE IS NO SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. AND CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC CHURCHES WILL NOT MARRY FECES-INFESTED, DISEASED FREAKS!!!

======

Maybe traditional Episcopalian the late Charlton Heston can explain morality on such things better for you:

Charlton: "By my last weeks on campus, I was preoccupied with getting Lydia (Clarke, who became his wife) into bed or married to me. She rejected both options with adamantine resolve. She had no intention of getting pregnant or wed: she was determined to get her degree. Desperately, I fell back on the ploy soldiers have used for centuries. "You realize you may never see me again. We must have something to carry in our hearts! It may be years, it may be never!" It was a heart-breaking performance, not least because I meant it, but it never dented her resolve."

Source: Jack Canfield, Mark Victor. "My Girl, My Wife." Chicken Soup for the Couple's Soul. pg. 280.
What's your parish?
Enzyte Bob

Olathe, KS

#14 Aug 6, 2013
hugh jasol wrote:
<quoted text>
What's your parish?
I'm Byzantine and whenever I am forced to go into a Roman parish and have to listen to a priest with a falsetto voice, I wanna puke.

I don't want to call anybody out, so I will refrain from naming parishes ... but you know who you are.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#15 Aug 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
...Now go find some hip Episcopal church with the woman priest and the rainbow flag out front. You;ll be right at home there, sodomite.
He may have some trouble with that task also.
There weren't enough sodomites left in Westerville to afford the mortgage.

http://www.dispatch.com/content/slideshows/20...
hugh jasol

Upper Sandusky, OH

#16 Aug 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>I'm Byzantine and whenever I am forced to go into a Roman parish and have to listen to a priest with a falsetto voice, I wanna puke.

I don't want to call anybody out, so I will refrain from naming parishes ... but you know who you are.
Byzantine? Okay....say no more. Where do you send your kids to school? Obviously you wouldn't waste your money on Roman Catholic education and I know of no Byzantine schools within central ohio.
Enzyte Bob

Olathe, KS

#17 Aug 6, 2013
hugh jasol wrote:
<quoted text>
Byzantine? Okay....say no more. Where do you send your kids to school? Obviously you wouldn't waste your money on Roman Catholic education and I know of no Byzantine schools within central ohio.
We've discussed that issue before. No sense in covering old ground ... St. Matthews but it was too crowded.

Doctrinally, Roman Catholic, Byzantine Catholic and even Orthodox are very close in terms of doctrine. Byzantine Catholic may even be closer to Orthodox, but we accepted the Pope. But when you agree on 99% of everything, you're really splitting hairs, IMO. It's more an issue of form over substance and people protecting their power bases, if you ask me.

That said, Byzantine Catholics and Orthodox priests marry so that limits the number of the falsetto-voiced who hide in the priesthood.
hugh jasol

Upper Sandusky, OH

#18 Aug 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>We've discussed that issue before. No sense in covering old ground ... St. Matthews but it was too crowded.

Doctrinally, Roman Catholic, Byzantine Catholic and even Orthodox are very close in terms of doctrine. Byzantine Catholic may even be closer to Orthodox, but we accepted the Pope. But when you agree on 99% of everything, you're really splitting hairs, IMO. It's more an issue of form over substance and people protecting their power bases, if you ask me.

That said, Byzantine Catholics and Orthodox priests marry so that limits the number of the falsetto-voiced who hide in the priesthood.
I have never spoken to you and the only people I know w/ kids at st Matthew are Peruvian. Anyway, my friend good luck in your spiritual endeavors.

On a serious note, I used to go to a Byzantine church as a kid when we needed to go to mass early on sunday mornings and the priest distributed the host from the chalice using a spoon (obviously I am sure I am not using proper vernacular here). Is that still custom?
hugh jasol

Upper Sandusky, OH

#19 Aug 6, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Listen moron, I am not only Catholic, but a REAL Catholic. As in, OLD SCHOOL CATHOLIC. Not Western secular Catholic.

REAL CATHOLICS aren't idiots like you who want to turn churches into hippie dope smoke outs and Rainbow Coalition retreats. Even the Jew Billy Joel knows what a real Catholic at least used to be like ("Catholic girls start much too late ...").

Now go find some hip Episcopal church with the woman priest and the rainbow flag out front. You;ll be right at home there, sodomite.

THERE IS NO SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH. AND CHRISTIAN AND CATHOLIC CHURCHES WILL NOT MARRY FECES-INFESTED, DISEASED FREAKS!!!

======

Maybe traditional Episcopalian the late Charlton Heston can explain morality on such things better for you:

Charlton: "By my last weeks on campus, I was preoccupied with getting Lydia (Clarke, who became his wife) into bed or married to me. She rejected both options with adamantine resolve. She had no intention of getting pregnant or wed: she was determined to get her degree. Desperately, I fell back on the ploy soldiers have used for centuries. "You realize you may never see me again. We must have something to carry in our hearts! It may be years, it may be never!" It was a heart-breaking performance, not least because I meant it, but it never dented her resolve."

Source: Jack Canfield, Mark Victor. "My Girl, My Wife." Chicken Soup for the Couple's Soul. pg. 280.
Okay, I've been called a moron before...that's fine, but what's up w/ calling me a sodomite? Rather harsh.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#20 Aug 6, 2013
hugh jasol wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, I've been called a moron before...that's fine, but what's up w/ calling me a sodomite? Rather harsh.
hahahahahahahahahaha

No kidding? Your moniker is hugh jasol, but being called a sodomite hurts your feelings.

Frankly, one might be considered a symptom of the other.

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