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“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#1 Mar 19, 2013
Cops: U.S. law should require logs of your text messages

AT&T, Verizon Wireless, Sprint, and other wireless providers would be required to capture and store Americans' confidential text messages, according to a proposal that will be presented to a congressional panel today.
Richard Littlehale, a supervisor with the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation

The law enforcement proposal would require wireless providers to record and store customers' SMS messages -- a controversial idea akin to requiring them to surreptitiously record audio of their customers' phone calls -- in case police decide to obtain them at some point in the future.

"Billions of texts are sent every day, and some surely contain key evidence about criminal activity," Richard Littlehale from the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation will tell Congress, according to a copy (PDF) of his prepared remarks. "In some cases, this means that critical evidence is lost. Text messaging often plays a big role in investigations related to domestic violence, stalking, menacing, drug trafficking, and weapons trafficking."

Littlehale's recommendations echo a recommendation that a constellation of law enforcement groups, including the Major Cities Chiefs Police Association, the National District Attorneys' Association, and the National Sheriffs' Association, made to Congress in December, which was first reported by CNET.

They had asked that an SMS retention requirement be glued onto any new law designed to update the 1986 Electronic Communications Privacy Act for the cloud computing era -- a move that would complicate debate over such a measure and erode support for it among civil libertarians and the technology firms lobbying for a rewrite.

Wireless providers' current SMS retention policies vary. An internal Justice Department document (PDF) that the ACLU obtained through the Freedom of Information Act shows that, as of 2010, AT&T, T-Mobile, and Sprint did not store the contents of text messages. Verizon did for up to five days, a change from its earlier no-logs-at-all position, and Virgin Mobile kept them for 90 days. The carriers generally kept metadata such as the phone numbers associated with the text for 90 days to 18 months; AT&T was an outlier, keeping it for as long as seven years.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57575039-38...

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#2 Mar 19, 2013

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#4 Mar 19, 2013
Hmmm. Remind me to get a pre-paid cell! Oh wait, they know I'm owned. Can't surf the web on a pre-paid, no GPS, can't listen to music or podcasts (my main entertainment at work to drown out the yappy drones), and no apps. Sigh.

I don't think I'm the only one so seduced...

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#5 Mar 19, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
Hmmm. Remind me to get a pre-paid cell! Oh wait, they know I'm owned. Can't surf the web on a pre-paid, no GPS, can't listen to music or podcasts (my main entertainment at work to drown out the yappy drones), and no apps. Sigh.
I don't think I'm the only one so seduced...
It's not a conspiracy theory anymore to conclude that we've been driven to carry and use such devices for a reason. Who needs an ankle monitor if they carry any sort of wireless device?

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#6 Mar 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>It's not a conspiracy theory anymore to conclude that we've been driven to carry and use such devices for a reason. Who needs an ankle monitor if they carry any sort of wireless device?
Would they not need a Skynet to filter through all of the data?

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#7 Mar 19, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
Would they not need a Skynet to filter through all of the data?
Already here...

The Utah Data Center, formally known as the Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center, is a data storage facility being built for the United States National Security Agency intelligence bureau that is designed to be a primary storage resource capable of storing data on the scale of yottabytes.[1][2]

It is alleged to capture "all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Internet searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital 'pocket litter'," though its precise purpose is secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center

“Cats rule.”

Since: Dec 09

Chardon Ohio.

#8 Mar 19, 2013
I'm glad I don't own a cell phone.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#9 Mar 19, 2013
Catman Dave wrote:
I'm glad I don't own a cell phone.
How old is your car?

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#11 Mar 19, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
You weren't driven, you demanded it, you snivelling weasel. You gladly paid for the privilege.
They have already used it to locate your secret buried weapons cache that no one except the Topix forum knows about.
What exactly have I demanded, wee man? Tell me.
Haven't you learned yet that your kneepadding for those in power will lead to an unpleasant end for you?
You're a p#ssy.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

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#12 Mar 19, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
You weren't driven, you demanded it, you snivelling weasel. You gladly paid for the privilege.
They have already used it to locate your secret buried weapons cache that no one except the Topix forum knows about.
Shut up and go back to your corner, will ya? I think the only reason you pound on Topix is because you do wear a tracking device.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#13 Mar 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>How old is your car?
Are you meaning the ability to shut down a car (Onstar) or even take control of the wheel from an external source?

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#14 Mar 19, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
<quoted text>
You weren't driven, you demanded it, you snivelling weasel. You gladly paid for the privilege.
They have already used it to locate your secret buried weapons cache that no one except the Topix forum knows about.
When the revolution comes, no one will miss you.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#15 Mar 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Already here...
The Utah Data Center, formally known as the Community Comprehensive National Cybersecurity Initiative Data Center, is a data storage facility being built for the United States National Security Agency intelligence bureau that is designed to be a primary storage resource capable of storing data on the scale of yottabytes.[1][2]
It is alleged to capture "all forms of communication, including the complete contents of private emails, cell phone calls, and Internet searches, as well as all sorts of personal data trails—parking receipts, travel itineraries, bookstore purchases, and other digital 'pocket litter'," though its precise purpose is secret.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Data_Center
Heard about this.

Now here is my next question/comment/observation: certainly local law enforcement will need a warrant to get this data, along with reasonable cause, to obtain this?

Already, it's possible to obtain/track IPs pinging websites, trails of evidence off one's computer, and downloads -- both from receiving end and hosting end. And, not that I'm really a proponent of this proposal, cell phone companies already store this data. Well, at least mine does. Every call I make is logged, every voice mail is logged, and every bit of data is logged. My bills are that detailed. Now how long its kept is another matter. We're simply trading digital evidence for paper in some ways here for criminal evidence.

“Cats rule.”

Since: Dec 09

Chardon Ohio.

#16 Mar 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>How old is your car?
I don't have one.But if I did,I would prefer one from the 80's or 70's.You don't have to be a rocket scientist to work on those.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#17 Mar 19, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you meaning the ability to shut down a car (Onstar) or even take control of the wheel from an external source?
The ability to track, at the very least:

Horace Cooper of the National Center for Public Policy Analysis called the move “an unprecedented breach of privacy for Americans.”

Black boxes, he said, are already being used to track myriad activities -- and what they can record is virtually unlimited, he said.

“EDRs not only provide details necessary for accident investigation, they can also track travel records, passenger usage, cell phone use and other private data -- who you visit, what you weigh, how often you call your mother and more is captured by these devices,” he said.

Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said approximately 96 percent of model year 2013 passenger cars and light-duty vehicles are already equipped with black-box capability.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-bypasse...

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#18 Mar 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>The ability to track, at the very least:
Horace Cooper of the National Center for Public Policy Analysis called the move “an unprecedented breach of privacy for Americans.”
Black boxes, he said, are already being used to track myriad activities -- and what they can record is virtually unlimited, he said.
“EDRs not only provide details necessary for accident investigation, they can also track travel records, passenger usage, cell phone use and other private data -- who you visit, what you weigh, how often you call your mother and more is captured by these devices,” he said.
Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said approximately 96 percent of model year 2013 passenger cars and light-duty vehicles are already equipped with black-box capability.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-bypasse...
I imagine that eventually a drone will have the ability to take remote control of a car and lock the driver into the car while it's driven to the station.

Like "Bait Car".

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#19 Mar 19, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
Heard about this.
Now here is my next question/comment/observation: certainly local law enforcement will need a warrant to get this data, along with reasonable cause, to obtain this?
They'll just use the magic words: "Terrorism," "Narcotics," "Human Trafficking," "Former Military."
DHS will clear it all for the locals...it fits right in with the MRAPS and the military rifles they're giving the county mounties.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#21 Mar 19, 2013
For those who doubt what DHS is doing, here's Delaware County's toy, courtesy of the feds:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3404/3226286640...

Just the thing for hilljacks to tool around in.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#22 Mar 19, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
I imagine that eventually a drone will have the ability to take remote control of a car and lock the driver into the car while it's driven to the station.
Like "Bait Car".
I'd give it ten years at this rate with this "leadership."

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#23 Mar 19, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>I'd give it ten years at this rate with this "leadership."
Medina County already has a drone, and a drone manufacturer in the county (which will not sell to peasants)

But it's the type that would be downed with a few shotgun blasts.

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