The Debate 2012

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#1682 Nov 9, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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Well, okay, their ratings are a little better than I thought but still of all their programming only O'Reilly outdraws him and that's not by much. Head to head with an O'Reilly repeat its no contest.
http://www.politicususa.com/jon-stewart-fox-r...
That's demographics at 11:00. College kids are just getting warmed up.

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#1683 Nov 9, 2012
"5 stages of #GOP grief:(1) denial (2) denial (3) denial (4) denial & finally (5) denial. WHEW! Was afraid they might learn sumthin!" - VJ

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#1684 Nov 9, 2012
Which was the entire problem with the 'faith' based childish and INCOMPETENT Romney campaign.
Karl

Brunswick, OH

#1685 Nov 9, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
Which was the entire problem with the 'faith' based childish and INCOMPETENT Romney campaign.
Childish > child-killers
Karl

Brunswick, OH

#1686 Nov 9, 2012
Pale Rider wrote:
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How could anyone support George W. Bush? I did like Ronald Reagan, he stopped runaway inflation under one of America's most wishy/washy Presidents in history. I voted for John McCain. But when it comes to George W. Bush, I was one of those that firmly believe he was one of the worst in history. Mitt Romney would have been nothing but a rubber stamp for the rich. What amazes me, that those that are Republican, think they are the only people that have a job or pay taxes. What will be their theme for 2016? We saved America from Communism?
What party does the average FSA member support (if you are UAW you are FSA)

They support Obama

What party do .gov employees support, Obama

.mil guys like Romney, but most of them could not vote..
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#1687 Nov 10, 2012
Pale Rider wrote:
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How could anyone support George W. Bush? I did like Ronald Reagan, he stopped runaway inflation under one of America's most wishy/washy Presidents in history. I voted for John McCain. But when it comes to George W. Bush, I was one of those that firmly believe he was one of the worst in history. Mitt Romney would have been nothing but a rubber stamp for the rich. What amazes me, that those that are Republican, think they are the only people that have a job or pay taxes. What will be their theme for 2016? We saved America from Communism?
By the time Obama takes the oath for his second term.....half the corporations in the USA will have closed that entity to re-open it overseas. It may be much greater than half.

I followed 2 corporations that have over 20 billion in annual sales to the Netherlands.

My Ohio tax, city tax are now ZERO; and my federal is just the 15% up to $11,000 for social security. ZERO income tax for 2013. If I renounced my citizenship I could avoid the Social Security. That is a decision for future days. At present collecting back what I paid in is the plan.

By 2016 there won't be anything but a country with national parks for sale.

The giant sucking sound you hear is the tax base leaving.

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#1688 Nov 10, 2012
Reality Speaks wrote:
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By the time Obama takes the oath for his second term.....half the corporations in the USA will have closed that entity to re-open it overseas. It may be much greater than half.
I followed 2 corporations that have over 20 billion in annual sales to the Netherlands.
My Ohio tax, city tax are now ZERO; and my federal is just the 15% up to $11,000 for social security. ZERO income tax for 2013. If I renounced my citizenship I could avoid the Social Security. That is a decision for future days. At present collecting back what I paid in is the plan.
By 2016 there won't be anything but a country with national parks for sale.
The giant sucking sound you hear is the tax base leaving.
Netherlands would be the last place to move money or assets to because of the Eurozone crisis beside when flew to Texas I was on a flight which I meant this elderly woman that was from the Netherlands and she told me that she left the Netherlands and sold everything to move to Texas because she said the Netherlands was so screwed up economically & socially and besides moving over to the Netherlands would be last place especially the crisis with Eurozone which the Netherlands are part of.

“Don't trust the internet!”

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#1689 Nov 11, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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I agree that the definitions of liberal and conservative have changed. The word "general", however, hasn't. It certainly has never meant "specific".
However, the general welfare is frequently better served by attention to the needs of individuals.
Karl

Medina, OH

#1690 Nov 11, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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However, the general welfare is frequently better served by attention to the needs of individuals.
All the better to buy votes for Democrats with

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#1692 Nov 11, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Netherlands looked pretty good to me when I was there. They have a muzzie problem, but they wont be shy about getting rid of that problem when the time comes.
like she told me if you had any money, you wanted to get out with and has no intentions of ever going back she said.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1693 Nov 11, 2012
FKA Reader wrote:
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However, the general welfare is frequently better served by attention to the needs of individuals.
I need a Cadillac. Since I can't afford one, the government should either give me one, or force GM to stop making them!
Karl

Medina, OH

#1696 Nov 11, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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We can all just drive Trabants, so the leeches don't feel bad about not having anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =My0HQ0QkGLQXX
But this is a consistent theme with these Marxists. Not once do they ever talk about bringing people up and expecting high standards from them.
Affirmative action? Don't bring blacks up to the same level as whites, relax the rules so they get the same goodies without having to perform as well.
Sexual revolution? Instead of bringing people from the gutter to a high standard of behavior, let's bring down all of society to the level of the gutter. With a 41% rate of bastardy you simply cannot argue that this is the case.
Religion? Again, high standards thrown out the window for leftists' pseudo religions like "climate change" and the court system.
Economics? Everyone in poverty is better than even propserous people, because it's not "equal" ... even though it's been proven time and time again that the lowest people on the totem pole in this country live better than all the "equality" the Jews imposed on the USSR.
It's time to speak up, fight back and, if necessary, to take up arms.
Soap box and ballot box are over. Time for the jury box.

We need some ideologically motivated thought crimes, like doing an "occupy" at a Democrat party office, abortion clinic, Solyndra facility, etc.

Then if conservatives are on the jury, do a hung jury.

Since: Sep 12

Hilliard, OH

#1697 Nov 11, 2012
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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We can all just drive Trabants, so the leeches don't feel bad about not having anything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =My0HQ0QkGLQXX
But this is a consistent theme with these Marxists. Not once do they ever talk about bringing people up and expecting high standards from them.
Affirmative action? Don't bring blacks up to the same level as whites, relax the rules so they get the same goodies without having to perform as well.
Sexual revolution? Instead of bringing people from the gutter to a high standard of behavior, let's bring down all of society to the level of the gutter. With a 41% rate of bastardy you simply cannot argue that this is the case.
Religion? Again, high standards thrown out the window for leftists' pseudo religions like "climate change" and the court system.
Economics? Everyone in poverty is better than even propserous people, because it's not "equal" ... even though it's been proven time and time again that the lowest people on the totem pole in this country live better than all the "equality" the Jews imposed on the USSR.
It's time to speak up, fight back and, if necessary, to take up arms.
I'm hoping that some of our military brass are getting into the Preakness pool.

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#1699 Nov 11, 2012
Why the Department of Defense Should Be Watching the Dutch Elections

Later this week, voters in the Netherlands will elect a new government after the center-right coalition government, led by Prime Minister Mark Rutte, collapsed in April.

Unsurprisingly, the top election issue is the eurozone crisis and how it is affecting the Dutch economy. Other issues, such as the continued Dutch participation in the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), could also be at stake—especially with the Socialist Party doing so well in recent polls.

After the national elections that were held in June 2010, Rutte became prime minister at the head of a center-right coalition. In April 2012, this pro-economic austerity coalition collapsed when one of its coalition partners, the Freedom Party, led by Geert Wilders, refused to back the government’s economic austerity package.

The economic crisis in Europe has directly impacted the Dutch. Riding this wave of discontent has been the Dutch Socialist Party, which is consistently second (and sometimes first) in the national polling just behind Rutte’s center-right People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy.

The Socialist Party, with help from the center-left Labour Party, led the campaign to scrap the country’s participation in the JSF program in July. Thankfully, since there was no government, this was a non-binding vote. Nevertheless, it should have been viewed as a warning shot to the Department of Defense.

It is assumed that the People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy will win the largest share of the vote after this week’s election but not enough to form a majority government. What the shape and configuration of the subsequent coalition will look like, and what role the Socialist and Labour Parties will have, remains to be seen.

As with all coalition building, there will be the inevitable policy tradeoffs. With the European economic situation being the pressing political issue, there is a concern that other policy issues, such as Dutch participation in the JSF, may be traded to ensure that the People’s Party for Freedom and Democracy can get its economic agenda adopted.

Sacrificing the Dutch participation in the JSF program for short-term political gain may be tempting for Dutch politicians, but its impact would be felt in the U.S. and throughout the NATO alliance.

As The Heritage Foundation recently pointed out:


For the Dutch, cancelling the Joint Strike Fighter program would be a blow to NATO. The Dutch are one of the few NATO countries that actually has a capable air force that they are willing to use. The Royal Netherlands Air Force (RNAF) has provided close air support to NATO troops in Afghanistan, contributed to NATO’s Baltic air policing mission, and recently flew patrols over the skies of Libya.

Without the JSF, the RNAF will be without a fast jet capability after 2025, when their F-16s are expected to leave service. If they choose to procure anything other than the Joint Strike Fighter, put simply, it will be outdated before it leaves the tarmac.

There is a nuclear deterrence aspect to this as well. Dutch F-16s and their F-35 replacements are dual-capable aircraft—meaning they can also deliver NATO’s tactical nuclear weapons if required. A Dutch failure to procure the F-35 would create an additional problem inside NATO regarding the future of its tactical nuclear weapons.

From a purely economic point of view, a decision to cut the JSF would also mean cutting Dutch jobs. As part of the Dutch participation in the JSF program, the defense sector is expected to win several important contracts worth tens of millions of euros for the manufacture of various component parts of the JSF.

The Department of Defense—and all countries participating in the JSF program—should keep an eye on the Dutch elections. If the Dutch leave the program, it could have far-reaching consequences.

http://blog.heritage.org/2012/09/10/why-the-d...

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#1700 Nov 11, 2012
Karl wrote:
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Childish > child-killers
Fascist scumbucket Republiscums = stamping government property on women's wombs.

If you don't like abortion, then don't you have one.
Karl

Medina, OH

#1701 Nov 11, 2012
OregonSUX wrote:
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Fascist scumbucket Republiscums = stamping government property on women's wombs.
If you don't like abortion, then don't you have one.
The unborn get none of the "choice" despite being biologically separate beings.

It isn't a matter of "not liking it" it is a fundamental moral debate, either you ignore the science for political ends or you don't.

It's the same way you froth at the mouth over Anthropogenic global warming.

If I "don't like global warming" I don't get the "choice" of not believing in it or not paying for UN schemes to counteract it.
Pale Rider

AOL

#1702 Nov 13, 2012
It seems to me, this thread Debate 2012, should ask the question. Just what in the hell happened that caused Mitt Romney to lose? I have to admit, I never was for him. I said all along the man didn't win the nomination, he bought the nomination. Here it is America is not especially far right of center, is getting less white, and is slowly, but surely, digging out of the worst recession since the Great Depression. Now they are admitting digging out of a damn near depression. I don't think people had the stomach to return to those Republican days like we had when George W. Bush was President. So what really happened? Too many women voted for Obama? Too many blacks? Too many from south of the border? I read a long time ago, by 2050 the completion in America will go from White to Tan, that is right friends Tan, so if the Democrats play their cards right those Tan folks will become really important in 2016.

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#1703 Nov 15, 2012
Karl wrote:
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The unborn get none of the "choice" despite being biologically separate beings.
It isn't a matter of "not liking it" it is a fundamental moral debate, either you ignore the science for political ends or you don't.
It's the same way you froth at the mouth over Anthropogenic global warming.
If I "don't like global warming" I don't get the "choice" of not believing in it or not paying for UN schemes to counteract it.
Biologically separate from what? Have you adopted a fetus lately? Taken one to school? Dressed it up in clothes and fed it from a spoon?

This is what you rightwing lunatics do all the time. You make up an ideology from thin air and then demand the world change itself to fit it.

Are you 12 years old?

The world is what it is. Deal with it. Stop putting your nose into the wombs of women. You don't like abortion then do not have one.

Climate change? Yet another made up ideological crap over reality. When you are burning up or drowning from Climate Change don't ask for help. None will be forthcoming.
Pale Rider

AOL

#1704 Nov 15, 2012
Oregon SUX wrote:

Climate change? Yet another made up ideological crap over reality.

I don't mean to pick an argument. But didn't we see weeks of hot summer breaking records. Record fires in the West? Just recently a hurricane that caused more devastation, than we have ever seen on the East Coast. Is it due to climate change? However if it was, how do we control emissions from coal fired power plants in China?

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#1705 Nov 15, 2012
Pale Rider wrote:
Oregon SUX wrote:
Climate change? Yet another made up ideological crap over reality.
I don't mean to pick an argument. But didn't we see weeks of hot summer breaking records. Record fires in the West? Just recently a hurricane that caused more devastation, than we have ever seen on the East Coast. Is it due to climate change?
The average global temperature is to the tenth of a degree exactly the same today as it was in 1997, and is within a degree of what it was 120 years ago.
However if it was, how do we control emissions from coal fired power plants in China?
You've just hit on what it's all about... CONTROL... Some people can't get ahead by their own devices so they have to CONTROL those who can.

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