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They cannot kill a Spook

Detroit, MI

#21 Jun 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Kind of like those folks who religiously attend church every sunday to listen to inspirational sermons about love and peace, but before brunch is fully digested they're on Columbus Topix spewing racist hatred.
woof
I go for the fire and brimstone sermons and occasionally fill in for a Sunday school teacher when that class is studying something in the old testament. Those touchy feely sermons put me in a coma.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#22 Jun 25, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Kind of like those folks who religiously attend church every sunday to listen to inspirational sermons about love and peace, but before brunch is fully digested they're on Columbus Topix spewing racist hatred.
woof
I don't pretend to know what's in other peoples' hearts. I can only try to explain what's in MY heart.

“If I only had a brain”

Since: Jun 13

Oz

#23 Jun 25, 2013
I'm just glad God made poop stink or otherwise I might confuse it with chocolate.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Canal Winchester, OH

#24 Jun 25, 2013
schrodinger wrote:
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Not sure what you mean. Im only commited to the truth and as I said earlier belief is not a choice, im compelled to believe because of evidence and or personal experience. I think its entirely possible that a God exits but I don't think the bible is where to look for him and im curious how others can think that it is. As Ive mentioned above only a few of the many problems ive faced researching the bible.
I mean do you find your inability to reconcile a belief in god but not being able to believe in the biblical version of god to be troubling?

If you believe in god, you're not agnostic, rather more of a deist. I don't know how much research or exploration you've done, but learning about religions, especially those that pre-date Christianity, make the Bible and how people shape their beliefs make sense. At least it did for me. Just a suggestion.
schrodinger

Huntington, WV

#25 Jun 25, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I mean do you find your inability to reconcile a belief in god but not being able to believe in the biblical version of god to be troubling?
If you believe in god, you're not agnostic, rather more of a deist. I don't know how much research or exploration you've done, but learning about religions, especially those that pre-date Christianity, make the Bible and how people shape their beliefs make sense. At least it did for me. Just a suggestion.
Im not sure I believe there is a god I just think it is a possibility. I have researched other religions as well but my question today is only dealing with christianity and the bible. I understand the motivation behind the invention of religion if that is what you mean but im asking how with all the problems with the bible, which ive only listed a few, can you base your belief on it.?The person I was talking to before said that it had no bearing on there belief but that is not true for most Christians and in fact the whole religion is based on it.
schrodinger

Huntington, WV

#26 Jun 25, 2013
They're**

My spelling and grammar are not the greatest, sorry..lol
Trust your Heart

Columbus, OH

#27 Jun 25, 2013
I've known so many people who go to church on Sunday and think that makes them a Christian, it does not. It's how you live the other six days of the week . The Old Testament tells you how to live a good life. It is your relationship with God in your heart that matters not some church or congregation, you can't hide anything from God- he knows. If you pray to God with an honest heart your prayers will be answered.. if we try to live a good life God sees that and blesses us. Don't listen to the 'know it all's' trust your heart, you don't need a preacher to tell you how to live. The Ten Commandments tell you how to live. It's not 1000 commandments.. only ten. That's a good start. No 'I'm not perfect' I struggle on a daily basis.
Anonymus

Grove City, OH

#28 Jun 26, 2013
Back then, if a woman was raped, another man would never want her--marriage or otherwise. So, the law required him to marry her.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#29 Jun 26, 2013
schrodinger wrote:
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Im not sure I believe there is a god I just think it is a possibility. I have researched other religions as well but my question today is only dealing with christianity and the bible. I understand the motivation behind the invention of religion if that is what you mean but im asking how with all the problems with the bible, which ive only listed a few, can you base your belief on it.?The person I was talking to before said that it had no bearing on there belief but that is not true for most Christians and in fact the whole religion is based on it.
I'm an atheist and believe the bible is a work of fiction. I was just offering reasons why religion and religious texts have an impact on mankind because it has for eons regardless of the religion. I think people's belief in the bible is pretty simple - they need an explanation for things and just like any other behavior, you can pick and choose what's applicable and what isn't.
booboo

Columbus, OH

#30 Jun 26, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I'm a Wiccan and I'm a witch. I was offering reasons why religion and religious texts have an impact on mankind because it has for eons regardless of the religion. I think people's belief in the bible is pretty simple - they need an explanation for things and just like any other behavior, you can pick and choose what's applicable and what isn't.
I would've never known.
Jay

Columbus, OH

#31 Jun 26, 2013
Anonymus wrote:
Back then, if a woman was raped, another man would never want her--marriage or otherwise. So, the law required him to marry her.
Thankfully Mpnf1979 has no reason to fear being raped.
Boopie

Columbus, OH

#32 Jun 26, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I mean do you find your inability to reconcile a belief in Santa but not being able to believe in the tv version of Rudolph to be troubling?
If you believe in Frosty, you're more like me. I don't know how much research or exploration you've done, but learning about Frosty and how people shape their snowmen make sense. At least it did for me. Just a suggestion.
See a shrink. Stat.
Oliver Canterberry

Columbus, OH

#33 Jun 26, 2013
schrodinger wrote:
How can you believe the bible? The gospels weren't even written by people around during christs life. The bible was put together by a group of men that got to pick and choose what went in and what texts were left out. They chose based on what they wanted it to say based on cultural and political influences. The texts that didn't match up were left out. Also there are parts of the bible, especially the old testament that glorify rape, murder and slavery.I haven't even began to explain all the problems I faced when trying to believe the bible so please explain to me how you can overlook so much?
Belief is not a choice, you are compelled to believe something because of evidence or personal experience. I truly can not help but see things the way I do. I have been searching for the truth for a long time and have done exhaustive research to try to find some type of faith but I can not. Please explain how you can overlook just the few things ive mentioned above. That is not even a scatch on the surface of all the problems Ive found with the bible.please help me to understand.
Just look at history.

Spartacus was a Thracian gladiator with 70,000 followers who lead a slave rebellion against the Roman Empire in 73-71 BC. Spartacus fought "fire with fire" (like a Muslim would) but ultimately lost, died in battle and 6000 of his followers were crucified on the Appian Way. In the end how many slaves did Spartacus free. Zero.
Compare that with gentle Jesus of Nazareth, who held no sword, had 12 followers but ultimately ended slavery in the Roman Empire through the spread of get gospel. Comparing Spartacus to Jesus in slaves freed, Jesus wins and its not even close. If he were not who he said he was there is no LOGICAL or historical rationale that works.

And that is just one example of the power of Jesus in the comparable period of time that looks at the facts of history and not the Bible.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#34 Jun 27, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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Just look at history.
Spartacus was a Thracian gladiator with 70,000 followers who lead a slave rebellion against the Roman Empire in 73-71 BC. Spartacus fought "fire with fire" (like a Muslim would) but ultimately lost, died in battle and 6000 of his followers were crucified on the Appian Way. In the end how many slaves did Spartacus free. Zero.
Compare that with gentle Jesus of Nazareth, who held no sword, had 12 followers but ultimately ended slavery in the Roman Empire through the spread of get gospel. Comparing Spartacus to Jesus in slaves freed, Jesus wins and its not even close. If he were not who he said he was there is no LOGICAL or historical rationale that works.
And that is just one example of the power of Jesus in the comparable period of time that looks at the facts of history and not the Bible.
The facts of history are not proven. While most scholars agree Jesus existed, there is little evidence provided. Much of the bible is a direct rip-off of many other religions that pre-date Christianity by thousands of years. Christianity in and of itself is a relatively new religion.
schrodinger

Huntington, WV

#35 Jun 27, 2013
Oliver Canterberry wrote:
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Just look at history.
Spartacus was a Thracian gladiator with 70,000 followers who lead a slave rebellion against the Roman Empire in 73-71 BC. Spartacus fought "fire with fire" (like a Muslim would) but ultimately lost, died in battle and 6000 of his followers were crucified on the Appian Way. In the end how many slaves did Spartacus free. Zero.
Compare that with gentle Jesus of Nazareth, who held no sword, had 12 followers but ultimately ended slavery in the Roman Empire through the spread of get gospel. Comparing Spartacus to Jesus in slaves freed, Jesus wins and its not even close. If he were not who he said he was there is no LOGICAL or historical rationale that works.
And that is just one example of the power of Jesus in the comparable period of time that looks at the facts of history and not the Bible.
Thank you for your responce. While your perspective is interesting for me it doesn't really mean anything about thr validaity of Jesus being God or the bible being the word of God. Humans have overcome huge obstacles and accomplished almost unbelievable feats throughout history. To me this is a part of the human condition and is wonderful but not supernatural. Man can be motivated to do great or horrible things by completely false pretence.
Maybe

Chillicothe, OH

#36 Jun 30, 2013
The Egg
By: Andy Weir

You were on your way home when you died.

It was a car accident. Nothing particularly remarkable, but fatal nonetheless. You left behind a wife and two children. It was a painless death. The EMTs tried their best to save you, but to no avail. Your body was so utterly shattered you were better off, trust me.

And that’s when you met me.

“What… what happened?” You asked.“Where am I?”

“You died,” I said, matter-of-factly. No point in mincing words.

“There was a… a truck and it was skidding…”

“Yup,” I said.

“I… I died?”

“Yup. But don’t feel bad about it. Everyone dies,” I said.

You looked around. There was nothingness. Just you and me.“What is this place?” You asked.“Is this the afterlife?”

“More or less,” I said.

“Are you god?” You asked.

“Yup,” I replied.“I’m God.”

“My kids… my wife,” you said.

“What about them?”

“Will they be all right?”

“That’s what I like to see,” I said.“You just died and your main concern is for your family. That’s good stuff right there.”

You looked at me with fascination. To you, I didn’t look like God. I just looked like some man. Or possibly a woman. Some vague authority figure, maybe. More of a grammar school teacher than the almighty.

“Don’t worry,” I said.“They’ll be fine. Your kids will remember you as perfect in every way. They didn’t have time to grow contempt for you. You wife will cry on the outside, but will be secretly relieved. To be fair, your marriage was falling apart. If it’s any consolation, she’ll feel very guilty for feeling relieved.”

“Oh,” you said.“So what happens now? Do I go to heaven or hell or something?”

“Neither,” I said.“You’ll be reincarnated.”

“Ah,” you said.“So the Hindus were right,”

“All religions are right in their own way,” I said.“Walk with me.”

You followed along as we strode through the void.“Where are we going?”

“Nowhere in particular,” I said.“It’s just nice to walk while we talk.”

“So what’s the point, then?” You asked.“When I get reborn, I’ll just be a blank slate, right? A baby. So all my experiences and everything I did in this life won’t matter.”

“Not so!” I said.“You have within you all the knowledge and experiences of all your past lives. You just don’t remember them right now.”

I stopped walking and took you by the shoulders.“Your soul is more magnificent, beautiful, and gigantic than you can possibly imagine. A human mind can only contain a tiny fraction of what you are. It’s like sticking your finger in a glass of water to see if it’s hot or cold. You put a tiny part of yourself into the vessel, and when you bring it back out, you’ve gained all the experiences it had.

“You’ve been in a human for the last 48 years, so you haven’t stretched out yet and felt the rest of your immense consciousness. If we hung out here for long enough, you’d start remembering everything. But there’s no point to doing that between each life.”

“How many times have I been reincarnated, then?”

“Oh lots. Lots and lots. An in to lots of different lives.” I said.“This time around, you’ll be a Chinese peasant girl in 540 AD.”

“Wait, what?” You stammered.“You’re sending me back in time?”

“Well, I guess technically. Time, as you know it, only exists in your universe. Things are different where I come from.”

“Where you come from?” You said.

“Oh sure,” I explained “I come from somewhere. Somewhere else. And there are others like me. I know you’ll want to know what it’s like there, but honestly you wouldn’t understand.”

“Oh,” you said, a little let down.“But wait. If I get reincarnated to other places in time, I could have interacted with myself at some point.”

“Sure. Happens all the time. And with both lives only aware of their own lifespan you don’t even know it’s happening.”

“So what’s the point of it all?”

(continues)
Maybe

Chillicothe, OH

#37 Jun 30, 2013
(Continued)

“Seriously?” I asked.“Seriously? You’re asking me for the meaning of life? Isn’t that a little stereotypical?”

“Well it’s a reasonable question,” you persisted.

I looked you in the eye.“The meaning of life, the reason I made this whole universe, is for you to mature.”

“You mean mankind? You want us to mature?”

“No, just you. I made this whole universe for you. With each new life you grow and mature and become a larger and greater intellect.”

“Just me? What about everyone else?”

“There is no one else,” I said.“In this universe, there’s just you and me.”

You stared blankly at me.“But all the people on earth…”

“All you. Different incarnations of you.”

“Wait. I’m everyone!?”

“Now you’re getting it,” I said, with a congratulatory slap on the back.

“I’m every human being who ever lived?”

“Or who will ever live, yes.”

“I’m Abraham Lincoln?”

“And you’re John Wilkes Booth, too,” I added.

“I’m Hitler?” You said, appalled.

“And you’re the millions he killed.”

“I’m Jesus?”

“And you’re everyone who followed him.”

You fell silent.

“Every time you victimized someone,” I said,“you were victimizing yourself. Every act of kindness you’ve done, you’ve done to yourself. Every happy and sad moment ever experienced by any human was, or will be, experienced by you.”

You thought for a long time.

“Why?” You asked me.“Why do all this?”

“Because someday, you will become like me. Because that’s what you are. You’re one of my kind. You’re my child.”

“Whoa,” you said, incredulous.“You mean I’m a god?”

“No. Not yet. You’re a fetus. You’re still growing. Once you’ve lived every human life throughout all time, you will have grown enough to be born.”

“So the whole universe,” you said,“it’s just…”

“An egg.” I answered.“Now it’s time for you to move on to your next life.”

And I sent you on your way.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#38 Jul 1, 2013
schrodinger wrote:
How can you believe the bible? The gospels weren't even written by people around during christs life. The bible was put together by a group of men that got to pick and choose what went in and what texts were left out. They chose based on what they wanted it to say based on cultural and political influences. The texts that didn't match up were left out. Also there are parts of the bible, especially the old testament that glorify rape, murder and slavery.I haven't even began to explain all the problems I faced when trying to believe the bible so please explain to me how you can overlook so much?
Belief is not a choice, you are compelled to believe something because of evidence or personal experience. I truly can not help but see things the way I do. I have been searching for the truth for a long time and have done exhaustive research to try to find some type of faith but I can not. Please explain how you can overlook just the few things ive mentioned above. That is not even a scatch on the surface of all the problems Ive found with the bible.please help me to understand.
do you believe Math books?

1+1=2?

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