Christians, please help me

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schrodinger

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How can you believe the bible? The gospels weren't even written by people around during christs life. The bible was put together by a group of men that got to pick and choose what went in and what texts were left out. They chose based on what they wanted it to say based on cultural and political influences. The texts that didn't match up were left out. Also there are parts of the bible, especially the old testament that glorify rape, murder and slavery.I haven't even began to explain all the problems I faced when trying to believe the bible so please explain to me how you can overlook so much?
Belief is not a choice, you are compelled to believe something because of evidence or personal experience. I truly can not help but see things the way I do. I have been searching for the truth for a long time and have done exhaustive research to try to find some type of faith but I can not. Please explain how you can overlook just the few things ive mentioned above. That is not even a scatch on the surface of all the problems Ive found with the bible.please help me to understand.

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Jun 24, 2013
 
There's belief and there's faith. Faith requires no evidence.
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But how can I have faith in a lie? Everything in the Christian faith is based on the bible. I believe there may be a God but not the God of the bible and I dont understand how anyone could think he is if you take the time to research the history of the bible and look at the bible objectivley.By your reasoning I could say im God and if you don't believe me then all I have to say is you lack faith.
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Jun 24, 2013
 
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But how can I have faith in a lie? Everything in the Christian faith is based on the bible. I believe there may be a God but not the God of the bible and I dont understand how anyone could think he is if you take the time to research the history of the bible and look at the bible objectivley.By your reasoning I could say im God and if you don't believe me then all I have to say is you lack faith.
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schrodinger wrote:
But how can I have faith in a lie? Everything in the Christian faith is based on the bible. I believe there may be a God but not the God of the bible and I dont understand how anyone could think he is if you take the time to research the history of the bible and look at the bible objectivley.By your reasoning I could say im God and if you don't believe me then all I have to say is you lack faith.
You seem to know pretty well what you don't believe. Why not turn your focus to what you do believe instead of trying to pick a fight? Or would you rather continue trolling?
schrodinger

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Jun 24, 2013
 
lazy atheist wrote:
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You seem to know pretty well what you don't believe. Why not turn your focus to what you do believe instead of trying to pick a fight? Or would you rather continue trolling?
Im more of an agnostic and am looking for answers ive done a lot of research but I haven't found faith or belief in any God. Im hoping maybe someone could help me understand how people can overlook so much about the bible.Im curious and I mean no disrespect. Who knows maybe someone can help me understand and ill be able to find my faith. Im very open to any possibility but I can not lie to myself.
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Here's an idea. Go Pfhuqq yourself.

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schrodinger wrote:
But how can I have faith in a lie? Everything in the Christian faith is based on the bible. I believe there may be a God but not the God of the bible and I dont understand how anyone could think he is if you take the time to research the history of the bible and look at the bible objectivley.By your reasoning I could say im God and if you don't believe me then all I have to say is you lack faith.
I look at the bible as an incomplete part of a bigger picture. Interesting, but my faith does not depend on it. I hope you find YOUR way.
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the beloved hey now wrote:
Here's an idea. Go Pfhuqq yourself.
Nice. Why must you resort to insults? Ive not been rude to anyone.

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Im more of an agnostic and am looking for answers ive done a lot of research but I haven't found faith or belief in any God.
If you attach the notion of "proof" to it, you're never going to find it. Faith won't be found in a book or on a web page. It's in your heart. Search within.
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If you attach the notion of "proof" to it, you're never going to find it. Faith won't be found in a book or on a web page. It's in your heart. Search within.
I have done that and that is what drives my search. I believe there is something more than just this existence. My problem isn't with spirituality its with the bible. How could the word of God be so corrupt and inconsistent? The Problems with the bible are numerous and large. To much so for me to overlook and im trying to understand the perspective of someone who can either not acknowledge or overlook so much.

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I have done that and that is what drives my search. I believe there is something more than just this existence. My problem isn't with spirituality its with the bible. How could the word of God be so corrupt and inconsistent?
My guess? Because fallible people wrote it, and other fallible people edited it. But God's existence does not depend on the bible. Rather the bible owes its existence to God. You seem to be looking at it backward... that the bible is a SOURCE of faith when in my opinion it's the other way around. The bible is the RESULT of faith.
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My guess? Because fallible people wrote it, and other fallible people edited it. But God's existence does not depend on the bible. Rather the bible owes its existence to God. You seem to be looking at it backward... that the bible is a SOURCE of faith when in my opinion it's the other way around. The bible is the RESULT of faith.
Ding ding ding. You nailed it.

Hence I don't put much stock in the new testament parts not a historical account of Christ or Prophecy. The crap in between to me doesn't fit with Christ / God of the old testament.
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TonyD2 wrote:
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My guess? Because fallible people wrote it, and other fallible people edited it. But God's existence does not depend on the bible. Rather the bible owes its existence to God. You seem to be looking at it backward... that the bible is a SOURCE of faith when in my opinion it's the other way around. The bible is the RESULT of faith.
With so many problem isn't it possible or even probable that the God of the bible is not God. For me the bible is a stumbling block to faith not a reinforcement of it. On side note, I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your intelligent and patient responses. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we have to show disrespect for each other.

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With so many problem isn't it possible or even probable that the God of the bible is not God. For me the bible is a stumbling block to faith not a reinforcement of it.
That's why I said to look within yourself. What you find will be the standard against which all else is measured. If it happens to align with others' beliefs, fine. If not, that's fine too.
On side note, I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your intelligent and patient responses. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we have to show disrespect for each other.
On another side note, just so you know where I'm coming from, I do not identify myself with Christian, or any other religion (that I know of). My faith is independent, from my own heart and mind, and does not depend on any writings or the beliefs of others. Though they ARE interesting, they do not significantly add to, nor detract from my belief. The term, "nonconformist", would not be entirely inaccurate, and I'm OK with that.

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With so many problem isn't it possible or even probable that the God of the bible is not God. For me the bible is a stumbling block to faith not a reinforcement of it. On side note, I wanted to let you know that I appreciate your intelligent and patient responses. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we have to show disrespect for each other.
Do you find your inability to commit to feeling one way or another about belief to be troubling?
schrodinger

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Do you find your inability to commit to feeling one way or another about belief to be troubling?
Not sure what you mean. Im only commited to the truth and as I said earlier belief is not a choice, im compelled to believe because of evidence and or personal experience. I think its entirely possible that a God exits but I don't think the bible is where to look for him and im curious how others can think that it is. As Ive mentioned above only a few of the many problems ive faced researching the bible.
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That's why I said to look within yourself. What you find will be the standard against which all else is measured. If it happens to align with others' beliefs, fine. If not, that's fine too.
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On another side note, just so you know where I'm coming from, I do not identify myself with Christian, or any other religion (that I know of). My faith is independent, from my own heart and mind, and does not depend on any writings or the beliefs of others. Though they ARE interesting, they do not significantly add to, nor detract from my belief. The term, "nonconformist", would not be entirely inaccurate, and I'm OK with that.
So I guess what your saying is that its a personal experience and completely subjective. I can appreciate what your saying but for me it is hard to look at things that way. I guess im hoping for to much. I actually think we have more common ground than not, but I could be wrong...lol

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So I guess what your saying is that its a personal experience and completely subjective. I can appreciate what your saying but for me it is hard to look at things that way. I guess im hoping for to much. I actually think we have more common ground than not, but I could be wrong...lol
I guess I'm just sayin', if you don't have it, reading a book and going to church isn't going to give it to you. It's just goin' through the motions...
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TonyD2 wrote:
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I guess I'm just sayin', if you don't have it, reading a book and going to church isn't going to give it to you. It's just goin' through the motions...
Kind of like those folks who religiously attend church every sunday to listen to inspirational sermons about love and peace, but before brunch is fully digested they're on Columbus Topix spewing racist hatred.

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