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Police suggest they move, residents say | The Columbus Dispatch

There are 205 comments on the Columbus Dispatch story from Oct 29, 2009, titled Police suggest they move, residents say | The Columbus Dispatch. In it, Columbus Dispatch reports that:

Allen Carrel keeps his eyes open in Ganthers Place. Allen Carrel recently called police to tell them about the latest drug deal he watched go down in his South Side neighborhood.

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Lisa

Newport, PA

#185 Oct 31, 2009
Ron wrote:
You are not going to get citizen support when you tell them to move out, do your job or quit.
I was told the same thing a few years ago and it made me very angry so I filed a complaint.
There just aren't enough cops to go around. Why is it that someone else always has to clean up your mess. Get your neighbors together and start cleaning up your own streets.
This is not me being racist, this is me being real. When the blacks move in, the neighborhoods go down. It's a known fact. Clean up your own mess.
6gunroyson

Wahiawa, HI

#186 Oct 31, 2009
Move to Oahu. We have the best police that money can buy. it's been proven.
6gunroyson

Wahiawa, HI

#188 Oct 31, 2009
Move to Oahu. It's been a fact that we have the best police force that money can buy.
popswuzrite

Portland, OR

#189 Oct 31, 2009
yet, when an officer asks "who did it???" they get no answer, or the witness doesn't testify. Or (more likely these days) the city gets sued or the cop is accused of racism. Consider this: Moving would probably be safest.
Dave

Newport, PA

#190 Oct 31, 2009
Don't blame the cops, blame your race for the mess that you are in. Raising cop killing thugs. There are some bad apples out there but most police officers are good and they do it because they want to help. I guess they are just tired of beating their heads against the wall with you people. I'm a white firefighter and do you know what I get when I go into black neighborhoods to do my job???? I get shit thrown at me and people telling me to "go home cracker". So I can't say that I feel sorry for you. I don't blame the police one bit for giving up on your asses.
get it right

Thomasville, NC

#191 Oct 31, 2009
Here we go again blaming Oboma for your short coming. all you dumb ass redneck idoits this problem has been going on for years fool.cops been crooks,police brutaliy, and cop on the take. bad cops are danger to the good cops. fire the lazy crooked S.O.B.'s
get it right

Thomasville, NC

#192 Oct 31, 2009
I LIVE IN A NIEGHBORHOOD MOSTLY WHITE PEOPLE AND IT'S WORSTTHAN THE BLACK HOOD I COME FROM. YOU WHITE FOLK ARE SICK. YOU NEED TO CLEAN UP YALL HIDDEN MESSES.
Vigil

AOL

#193 Oct 31, 2009
So, get yourself a gun, a group and start shooting those that trespass in your neighborhood. TAKE IT BACK! Stop expecting the "law" to do anything about the problem. Be the solution not the loop hole they continue to jump through. SHOOT THEM ALL DEAD!!!!
Laura

AOL

#195 Nov 2, 2009
The cops can go to Minerva Park and sit and pick their noses during their entire shift if they are that lazy. I think the M. P. police have a car sit and scare speeders from driving through too fast.
Bert

AOL

#196 Nov 2, 2009
Everyone chose to live in Columbus. How long did the Columbus southside people that are complaining expect the city to stay stable. Look at the mayor's office? now look at all the ctime, and it is continuing to grow with the population gtowth of the city. Live and learn.

Since: Oct 09

Columbus, OH

#197 Nov 2, 2009
Personal Responsibility wrote:
These people that are complaining are the same people that had these degenerate children that are now tormenting the community. They have a child, the babbies daddy leaves, then the momma leaves. Then the child is half way tended to by a Granny or an Auntie. Then instead of being a responsible parent and raising your own child you rely on "the system" to raise your children. SO....of course the cops are fed up with the neighborhood,,,,,,its not their problem !!!!!!!!!! It's the COMMUNITIES !!!!
Sorry, but you could not be more wrong. I am complaining...and I also am rasing my own son, with his father there too! The people that are complaining are the FAMILIES that are trying to raise their children in a safe neighborhood...and the cops need to find another job if they are "fed up"...because it's their JOB to protect and serve.

Since: Jun 09

Nashport, OH

#198 Nov 2, 2009
Hey, all you Columbus voters, how does it taste now that you voted yourself a tax hike so the Columbus Police department can tell you to move because they cannot protect you? Remember all that talk about police layoffs and how the citizens of Columbus would go unprotected if the tax hike did not pass? Not much change is there.

The only safe streets in Columbus are the streets that the Mayor or City Council live on.
DrivingPark resident

Canal Winchester, OH

#199 Nov 2, 2009
The statement by the officers would not be made if they were required to live in the City of Columbus. Many of them only come into the city to work and leave and have no empathy for the residents. I had approached various members of council with the various proposal of how to increase the diversity of this police and fire departments. I have asked for officers in this neighborhood to eat their lunches at the neighborhood schools so that the children could have a positive interation with them. This proposal was never acted on. Asked for officers to just sometimes get out of their cars and interact with the residents. But bad officers have to go.
Concerned Citizen JAM

United States

#200 Nov 2, 2009
I know the budget issue debate and the reality of resources. If you want a health city and not a city with a mass exodis like Detroit, Michigan, police have to respond to citizen reports. You don't want citizens to take up their guns and you want citizens to leave. That is an attitude that will kill growth and choke off the breath of the City of Columbus.
Steve near Seattle

Seattle, WA

#201 Nov 9, 2009
My Mom is in the thick of the bad guys at Ganther's Place (the area east of Parsons/ south of Whittier) and when I recently visited I was *stunned* by the level of open drug sales, openly carrying and discharging of guns and a crew of flat out batsh*t crazy zombie crackhead junkies wandering in the middle of the street screaming and carrying on, threatening anyone stupid enough to walk on the sidewalks. Like *me* for instance...

It reminded me of the scariest part of south Chicago, except much, much worse.

I offered to move my Mom out, but she's determined to outlive all the crack dealers and see the streets safe for kids again. THAT'S determination.

Alan Carel's (?) Block Watch and park near Parsons have barely a One block effective reach, beyond that it's not safe for a stranger to walk in daylight, let alone after dark.

I'd moved from the area in the early 70's, but stayed in Columbus, living in GV, Clintonville, etc. In the early 90's I finally got fed up with the Columbus crime, murder and mayhem. I moved as far from Columbus as I could and still be in the lower 48. I have not regretted the move for an instant...but for those wanting to stay in Columbus the solution is NOT moving!
You've got to take back your streets and neighborhoods!
You can't have German Village, Clintonville and Dublin the only areas of central Ohio worth living in!
Do *whatever* is necessary to address the soul killing lack of jobs and opportunity in the near south side, the Hilltop and the near East side.
and come up with a rational drug policy to stop the wholesale open air dealing going on in those neighborhoods!
Reader

Columbus, OH

#203 Nov 9, 2009
Steve near Seattle wrote:
I offered to move my Mom out, but she's determined to outlive all the crack dealers and see the streets safe for kids again. THAT'S determination.
Alan Carel's (?) Block Watch and park near Parsons have barely a One block effective reach, beyond that it's not safe for a stranger to walk in daylight, let alone after dark.
I have in fact outlive the crack dealers that once took up residence on my block and all around (Olde Towne East). It helps to make frequent police reports, make reports on cops that blame you for living there, join a block watch if there is one available (I haven't had one) and to contact landlords of trouble spots. Nothing changes overnight and you gotta realize that in the best of all cases, cops will not show up immediately to arrest the folks that you are watching make a drug buy. What will happen, with diligent reporting, is that cops can pick up on patterns and go for some of the big busts that have a longer term effect. Some things (like fights, especially with weapons) do tend to get more immediate response and calling these in religiously does tend to have an impact--if nothing else, people go elsewhere. Get to know your neighbors--don't assume they are all drug dealers--some may be just as frustrated as you and willing to make calls as well. It doesn't take a whole lot--just a friendly hello coming and going. Don't get into fights with gangers or drug dealers--let the cops deal with obnoxious noise, etc and tell them you DON'T want an officer to come to your house. Support mental health and drug addiction services.
Anonymous

Zanesville, OH

#204 Nov 15, 2009
Look, the woman said she saw a drug deal happen. Why would the police have to physically come out and respond at that point? Unless the person was still standing in middle of the street waving his drugs around, driving out there would do nothing but waste an officer's time when he should be focusing on the high homicide caseload, or the like. Expecting the cops to come out every time you see something is ridiculous. Report it, so they can see a pattern, but most reports like these can be done over the phone.

I still see little wrong with the officers comment, other than that it was pretty insensitive. If you're uncomfortable and feel like you need a cop car sitting out front of your house 24 hours a day, you should probably move - that's no way to live. If you can't move, you need to rally your neighbors, start a neighborhood association, start a block, etc. and start making some effort to take away the advantages of these people "doing business" in your area. Criminals are opportunistic; get lights turned on, make sure there are visible block watch signs, and so on.
Concerned Citizen JAM wrote:
I know the budget issue debate and the reality of resources. If you want a health city and not a city with a mass exodis like Detroit, Michigan, police have to respond to citizen reports. You don't want citizens to take up their guns and you want citizens to leave. That is an attitude that will kill growth and choke off the breath of the City of Columbus.
Steven

Seattle, WA

#206 Nov 18, 2009
Anonymous wrote:
If you're uncomfortable and feel like you need a cop car sitting out front of your house 24 hours a day, you should probably move - that's no way to live.
<quoted text>
Thanks you "Anonymous"...
I'm guessing you've never owned a retail business that has needed to fight back against neighborhood thuggery, or you've had an astonishingly coddled life.

The point is that the neighborhood has ALWAYS been edgy going back to the 50's when I'd clip news stories about cops having high speed gun battles through the Whittier/Reinhard alley. It's always been a *little* tough, a wee bit challenging.
I left the neighborhood after the New Years Celebration of 93/94 when I collected hundreds of 9mm and 45 cal shells presumably fired from MAC 9's and 10's.(That's what it sounded like -- I jumped into the cast iron bath tub for shelter)
The neighborhood was MUCH worse 7 years ago when my Mom had 2 crack house on one side and 4 across the street. This is within block of Heyl Ave. Elementary and South High School.
The reason the neighborhood is even as good as it is today is because of Allen Carrel and the Ganther's Place Blockwatch -- and even then the criminal activity in the neighborhood is as bad as I've witnessed in Detroit or south Chicago.
What's holding the area back is the attitude of the police that crime and vice are going to live somewhere, and better on Whittier/ Parsons/ Reinhard/ Seibert than German Village, the Brewery District, Arena District where the voters that contribute $$$$ to political campaigns live.
Steven

Seattle, WA

#207 Nov 18, 2009
I should never write on a phone ...lol
Anonymous

Zanesville, OH

#208 Nov 19, 2009
Actually, I lived near Parsons & Whittier for 3 years (where I was mugged), Weinland Park, which was widely known as one of the worst neighborhoods in Columbus (talk about gunshot city) and now in OTE ... so I'm far from having been coddled. I know perfectly well what it's like to have your car broken into, having to take cover from gunshots, and the like.

One of the biggest problems I experienced in those places was talking to neighbors and hearing repeatedly "I don't want to get involved". These days, Weinland Park is significantly better because people have started stepping up. You CAN make a difference in your neighborhood.

I cannot reiterate enough - criminals are lazy and opportunistic. They want something for nothing. Make it difficult. Get a block watch going and let them know someone is ALWAYS keeping an eye out. Make sure everyone in the neighborhood has their front and back porch lights on. Get a motion detector. Tell that hooker to get off the street corner. Arm yourself. Go to your neighborhood meetings (most that I've been to have an officer in attendance to hear concerns).

We are in a large city - not that much smaller than Detroit in 2007, and it's probably closer now - so it's not surprising that the crime rates are as bad. They will be in ANY large city. And the police in any large city will need to prioritize. We have a high murder rate here. To expect them to come out to your place because you saw a drug deal is unreasonable. File your report over phone. Do so EVERY time you see it, so they can map out the pattern and prioritize patrol.
Steven wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks you "Anonymous"...
I'm guessing you've never owned a retail business that has needed to fight back against neighborhood thuggery, or you've had an astonishingly coddled life.
The point is that the neighborhood has ALWAYS been edgy going back to the 50's when I'd clip news stories about cops having high speed gun battles through the Whittier/Reinhard alley. It's always been a *little* tough, a wee bit challenging.
I left the neighborhood after the New Years Celebration of 93/94 when I collected hundreds of 9mm and 45 cal shells presumably fired from MAC 9's and 10's.(That's what it sounded like -- I jumped into the cast iron bath tub for shelter)
The neighborhood was MUCH worse 7 years ago when my Mom had 2 crack house on one side and 4 across the street. This is within block of Heyl Ave. Elementary and South High School.
The reason the neighborhood is even as good as it is today is because of Allen Carrel and the Ganther's Place Blockwatch -- and even then the criminal activity in the neighborhood is as bad as I've witnessed in Detroit or south Chicago.
What's holding the area back is the attitude of the police that crime and vice are going to live somewhere, and better on Whittier/ Parsons/ Reinhard/ Seibert than German Village, the Brewery District, Arena District where the voters that contribute $$$$ to political campaigns live.

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