Palin Baptizes Terrorists

Palin Baptizes Terrorists

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Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#1 Apr 29, 2014
Does the right REALLY think the left is afraid of this woman?
Does she REALLY believe in using enhanced interrogation, despite the views on abuse from John McCain??
Does anyone REALLY think this woman is anything more than a loudmouth shrew that will say anything to earn a paycheck???

Time will tell....

Sarah Palin says 'waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists.' Too tough?
The one-liner by Sarah Palin went over great with the NRA crowd. But the outrage elsewhere was immediate – and interestingly, criticism came from several directions.
http://news.yahoo.com/sarah-palin-says-waterb...

Sarah Palin has rallied and riled lots of voters in her political career, but she might have hit a new high for controversy over the weekend by saying “waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists” during a speech at the National Rifle Association's annual meeting in Indianapolis.

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The one-liner went over great with the crowd. It summarized well a main point of her address, which held that liberals are hypocrites who are too weak to protect America.

Not that Ms. Palin just called them “liberals.” In the speech, they were “clownish little 'Kumbaya'-humming fairy-tale-inhaling liberals.” They’re the sort of folks who believe that a thin tin “No Gun Zone” sign will protect kids in schools, according to the former VP candidate.

“That is stupid on steroids,” Palin said.

Outrage was immediate. But the interesting thing about this reaction was that criticism came from several directions.

On the one hand, you had left-leaning types rising to the bait. At the Washington Monthly’s “Political Animal” blog, Martin Longman opined that the whole thing is an elaborate revenge upon Sen. John McCain (R), in which Palin knowingly says things that will make him cringe as payback for not supporting her enough after picking her as his running mate in 2008.

Senator McCain is an adamant opponent of waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques, you see. He’s the only presidential candidate to have been a prisoner of war and suffered torture from America’s enemies.

“I have a theory that Sarah Palin has the intent to humiliate John McCain as often as possible. Maybe it’s because McCain wouldn’t let her give her own concession speech,” Mr. Longman writes.

But Palin also got some pushback from conservatives who felt her comment was sacrilegious. Thus you got an unusual Palin Venn diagram in which there was some intersection between left and right sets in terms of reaction.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#2 Apr 29, 2014
GOD bless Sarah Palin!!!
Dia dhuit!!!!
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#3 Apr 29, 2014
God is likely cringing.

woof
Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#4 Apr 29, 2014
It does indeed seem that teh righwtwing is starting to finally catch on to her shenaningans and worthlessness:

No, Sarah Palin, Baptism Isn’t A Good Punchline For A Terrorist Joke
APRIL 27, 2014 By Mollie Hemingway
http://thefederalist.com/2014/04/27/no-sarah-...

Sarah Palin gave a speech to members of the National Rifle Association, gathered in Indianapolis this weekend. She said something that struck me as sacrilegious. I’ve long defended Palin against the offensive treatment she’s received at the hands of a blatantly biased media, a media that collectively lost its mind the moment she entered the national stage. But that hardly means she must be defended at all times.

Emphasis mine. When my husband (who was baptized 10 years ago today, as it happens) told me about this, I had a hard time believing that she actually said it. Not just because baptism couldn’t be taken more seriously in traditional Christianity but because the media routinely misquote or fail to provide context for quotes. But the video makes the statement seem even worse.

So why did the crowd cheer when she said it? And why did some folks defend or downplay the statement on Twitter? I couldn’t begin to say, but they shouldn’t have done so.

The Lutheran catechism, which I have here on my shelf, is a collection of teachings for the church. A teaching aid for family use, it goes through the commandments and creed and sacraments and what not. The section on the sacrament of baptism explains what baptism is — the water connected to God’s word; what that word of God is — the Gospel of Jesus, and what baptism gives us:

Is waterboarding how we baptize terrorists? However powerful waterboarding might be (and whether or not it is defensible, a good idea or achieves the goals of those who advocate its use), it doesn’t hold a candle to the power of the Christian baptism, as historically understood. Does it deliver those who are subjected to it from the devil, as Christian baptism does? Does it give them eternal life, as Christian baptism does? Is it voluntary, as Christian baptism is? It is none of these things.

Joking about baptism in the context of this aggressive action suggests that we don’t think baptism is as life-giving or important as it is.

Now, it’s also true that Palin, from what we know of her congregational affiliations, is influenced by subsets of Christianity that take a different and far lower view of what baptism accomplishes. They say that it’s mere symbolism rather than means of God’s grace. In fact, that’s exactly what the web site of Wasilla Bible Church says. But I would hope that even these traditions wouldn’t take it so lightly as to joke about it in the context of waterboarding. Or even if it is considered OK to joke about waterboarding being baptism by these folks, I’d hope they recognize how blasphemous it sounds to the ears of Christians who retain the historic and high view of the sacrament.

“THE GANG”

Since: Apr 10

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#5 Apr 29, 2014
As an Independent.....SP is...
No way, no how, qualified for any public office.
My personal opinion....
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#6 Apr 29, 2014
Palin is blasphemous and Obamah is not!
nice call there, folks!
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#7 Apr 30, 2014
It is reported 15,000 have signed a Christian petition against Sarah Palin. WOW, that's a lot of people. Is that as many people as live in Crestline, Ohio. I'm sure that's more than the population of Piketon, Ohio.
I ain't signing as I think she can speak her mind as well as your thing in the white house. Matter of fact, a North Dakota born person has as much right to talk as a Mombassan but that's me and my thoughts. what do I know, right, leftists.
I love you, Sarah Palin!!!! I suppose I'm racist loving Sarah more than I like Michelle, ain't that right?
Will you let me off the racist boat if I love Condi Rice as much as i do Sarah? Nah, I'm still racist in your brilliant leftist minds. I ain't talking to you whiteys, oops I mean righties! slip of the tongue or fingers in this case.
SHALOM!!!!
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#8 Apr 30, 2014
Sorry folks, a question came up after I hit the post button.
If Michelle had said the same remark as Sarah, would it cause this much hullabaloo with you leftists or would you laugh it off? granting of course Michelle would not be this crass, right?

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#9 Apr 30, 2014
dunadd wrote:
It is reported 15,000 have signed a Christian petition against Sarah Palin. WOW, that's a lot of people. Is that as many people as live in Crestline, Ohio. I'm sure that's more than the population of Piketon, Ohio.
I ain't signing as I think she can speak her mind as well as your thing in the white house. Matter of fact, a North Dakota born person has as much right to talk as a Mombassan but that's me and my thoughts. what do I know, right, leftists.
I love you, Sarah Palin!!!! I suppose I'm racist loving Sarah more than I like Michelle, ain't that right?
Will you let me off the racist boat if I love Condi Rice as much as i do Sarah? Nah, I'm still racist in your brilliant leftist minds. I ain't talking to you whiteys, oops I mean righties! slip of the tongue or fingers in this case.
SHALOM!!!!
Palin's statement was beyond the pale

Positive defense of torture runs into totalitarian territory

This isn't the ticking time bomb scenario
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#10 Apr 30, 2014
Yeah, I'd compare her remark to the Tsarnaev brothers deeds.
Nazis have the right to march in Skokie and Sarah has the right to speak as much as Michelle Obama and Marion Robinson.
Her statement certainly is not beyond the Pale of Settlement.
This is to Sarah. I hope someone gets this to her. Sarah, you don't hae freedom of speech because you re in the public spotlight.
I don't think Lady Sarah is much y'arning to go to the district of communists. She's happy doing what she wants.
The Americans chose a Kenyan over an Arizonan even when Lady Sarah was Alaskan. then chose a muslim over a Mormon. Knowing this where and in what shape will America be in 2050.
I still don't understand why Schwarzeneggar can't run for president. and why all the hullabaloo over Ted Cruz birth in Canada.
Does Fidel, Raul or Hugo have any sons electable age. I'm sure the brilliant American electorate socialists would welcome them with open arms.
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#11 Apr 30, 2014
did I stay on Sarah long enough to insert those last three paragraphs?

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#12 Apr 30, 2014
dunadd wrote:
Sarah has the right to speak as much as Michelle Obama and Marion Robinson.
Her statement certainly is not beyond the Pale of Settlement.
I was not questioning the right of Palin to say this, I am primarily questioning her judgement.

"beyond the pale" is a phrase meaning "outrageous" in vernacular english, it does originate from the Czarist Pale of Settlement.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#13 Apr 30, 2014
dunadd wrote:
I still don't understand why Schwarzeneggar can't run for president. and why all the hullabaloo over Ted Cruz birth in Canada.
Does Fidel, Raul or Hugo have any sons electable age. I'm sure the brilliant American electorate socialists would welcome them with open arms.
Arnold was born an Austrian citizen, and was naturalized an American citizen

Cruz was born in Canada, but because his mother was an American citizen, he was born an American citizen, thus is "natural born". The phrase is not "born in the United States"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fidel_Castro#Fam...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mario_D%C3%ADaz-...
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#14 May 1, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
God is likely cringing.
woof
why do you mock Obama so?.....he is your god.
Scheherazade

Reynoldsburg, OH

#15 May 1, 2014
Sarah has angered a lot of people of faith with her blasphemy......we knew it would come sooner or later...extremism is JUST that.....

Rabbi Menachem Editor,'Peace in Our Cities: Rabbis Against Gun Violence'

Sarah Palin's Heresy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-menachem-...

When Sarah Palin commented, at this last week's national National Rifle Association convention, "...waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists," she did worse than offend, worse than degrade human beings, worse than stir up a group of weapon-advocates. She did so in the Name of God. The fact that the NRA would allow someone to promote fundamentalism at their convention is a violation of their civic responsibility and a threat to human rights on a national scale.

Most faith traditions incorporate water's restorative power. The Muslim ritual ablution of Wudu, the Jewish Mikveh ritual bath, the Hindu ritual immersions in the River Ganges, and the Christian practice of baptism, each point to renewal, transformation, and life. How dare the NRA tolerate -- worse, amplify -- hatred garbed in religious symbolism.

Leave aside the fact, which Palin consistently ignores, that torture has been proven ineffective in acquiring actionable intelligence. Leave aside the illegality of torture, affirmed by the United States' signature on the UN Convention Against Torture, which stipulates, "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture." Leave aside the partisan semantics of what actually constitutes torture in the first place. That has all been settled beyond question, and is not the source of my outrage at the NRA.

Faith traditions consider torture to be a desecration of the image of God, which is why groups like T'ruah: The Rabbinical Call for Human Rights and NRCAT (National Religious Campaign Against Torture) have been marshalling religious leaders to address the moral question of torture (this week marking the 10th anniversary of the release of the Abu Ghraib photos).

The National Rifle Association consistently grants fundamentalists a platform for spewing hatred and promoting the tools of war, using the Second Amendment to garner financial gain. They are using talking heads and patriotism to feed their greed, and the human cost is growing beyond 31,000 annual U.S. gun violence deaths. Fueled by demagogues like Sarah Palin, the NRA's social impact is immeasurable.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#16 May 1, 2014
Scheherazade wrote:
Sarah has angered a lot of people of faith with her blasphemy......we knew it would come sooner or later...extremism is JUST that.....
Rabbi Menachem Editor,'Peace in Our Cities: Rabbis Against Gun Violence'
Sarah Palin's Heresy
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rabbi-menachem-...
When Sarah Palin commented, at this last week's national National Rifle Association convention, "...waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists," she did worse than offend, worse than degrade human beings, worse than stir up a group of weapon-advocates. She did so in the Name of God. The fact that the NRA would allow someone to promote fundamentalism at their convention is a violation of their civic responsibility and a threat to human rights on a national scale.
Most faith traditions incorporate water's restorative power. The Muslim ritual ablution of Wudu, the Jewish Mikveh ritual bath, the Hindu ritual immersions in the River Ganges, and the Christian practice of baptism, each point to renewal, transformation, and life. How dare the NRA tolerate -- worse, amplify -- hatred garbed in religious symbolism.
Leave aside the fact, which Palin consistently ignores, that torture has been proven ineffective in acquiring actionable intelligence. Leave aside the illegality of torture, affirmed by the United States' signature on the UN Convention Against Torture, which stipulates, "No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat of war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture." Leave aside the partisan semantics of what actually constitutes torture in the first place. That has all been settled beyond question, and is not the source of my outrage at the NRA.
Faith traditions consider torture to be a desecration of the image of God, which is why groups like T'ruah: The Rabbinical Call for Human Rights and NRCAT (National Religious Campaign Against Torture) have been marshalling religious leaders to address the moral question of torture (this week marking the 10th anniversary of the release of the Abu Ghraib photos).
The National Rifle Association consistently grants fundamentalists a platform for spewing hatred and promoting the tools of war, using the Second Amendment to garner financial gain. They are using talking heads and patriotism to feed their greed, and the human cost is growing beyond 31,000 annual U.S. gun violence deaths. Fueled by demagogues like Sarah Palin, the NRA's social impact is immeasurable.
trolling are you?
dunadd

Greensboro, NC

#17 May 1, 2014
I am person of faith and I don't find her statement blasphemous.
Get DC to pass a law all blasphemers are burnt at the stack in the good ol' French fashion or dissed up in pieces while alive like the good ol' Edward 1 fashion.
You said she did this in the name of God, is that Adonai Elohim or oblamer's god allah?
I love you SARAH PALIN!!!! and I AM a person of faith!!!!!!!!!!
Come on you priests and priestesses, crucify her!!!!
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#18 May 1, 2014
dunadd wrote:
I am person of faith and I don't find her statement blasphemous.
Get DC to pass a law all blasphemers are burnt at the stack in the good ol' French fashion or dissed up in pieces while alive like the good ol' Edward 1 fashion.
You said she did this in the name of God, is that Adonai Elohim or oblamer's god allah?
I love you SARAH PALIN!!!! and I AM a person of faith!!!!!!!!!!
Come on you priests and priestesses, crucify her!!!!
waterboarding is not torture.

ripping fingernails off, and cutting off limbs is. Using sledge hammer on toes is.

Putin said his mistress takes off her makeup water boarding.

Putin explained Liberal sissy America to a T.

It is fine for a terrorist to hide behind women and children as a shield, but you can't pour water over their head.....go figure.
Big Johnson

Columbus, OH

#19 May 1, 2014
Reality Speaks wrote:
It is fine for a terrorist to hide behind women and children as a shield, but you can't pour water over their head.....go figure.
I know, it's crazy!

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#20 May 1, 2014
dunadd wrote:
I am person of faith and I don't find her statement blasphemous.
What she said is akin to calling rape, marriage; truth serum, penance; imprisonment, holy orders

It was unimaginably stupid

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