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“animis opibusque parati”

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#82 Jun 18, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Being a "humanist" and believing in God are not mutually exclusive. You should go read what he wrote about that.
woof
Indeed.

Interviewer: "Did the study of anthropology later color your writings?"

Vonnegut: "It confirmed my atheism, which was the faith of my fathers anyway. Religions were exhibited and studied as the Rube Goldberg inventions I'd always thought they were."

Atheism and humanism are the equivalent of the letters Q and U which rarely appear, in English, one without the other; further, both philosophies can be reduced to worship of self.

Vonnegut was a documented atheist/humanist and socialist. Now, were I to compare letter usage in the French language, the letters Q, U and E would be an exact representation of the trio.

Worse, Vonnegut admires jihadist suicide-bombers:

In an interview with an Australian newspaper, Vonnegut made the comment that suicide bombers are "very brave people". Contrary to the common assertion that suicide bombers act simply because they hate freedom, Vonnegut described their motivation as being that "They are dying for their own self-respect. It's a terrible thing to deprive someone of their self-respect. It's [like] your culture is nothing, your race is nothing, you're nothing." He concluded by saying that "It is sweet and noble -- sweet and honourable I guess it is -- to die for what you believe in."

Yep, he's insane.
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#83 Jun 18, 2014
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Indeed.
Interviewer: "Did the study of anthropology later color your writings?"
Vonnegut: "It confirmed my atheism, which was the faith of my fathers anyway. Religions were exhibited and studied as the Rube Goldberg inventions I'd always thought they were."
Atheism and humanism are the equivalent of the letters Q and U which rarely appear, in English, one without the other; further, both philosophies can be reduced to worship of self.
Vonnegut was a documented atheist/humanist and socialist. Now, were I to compare letter usage in the French language, the letters Q, U and E would be an exact representation of the trio.
Worse, Vonnegut admires jihadist suicide-bombers:
In an interview with an Australian newspaper, Vonnegut made the comment that suicide bombers are "very brave people". Contrary to the common assertion that suicide bombers act simply because they hate freedom, Vonnegut described their motivation as being that "They are dying for their own self-respect. It's a terrible thing to deprive someone of their self-respect. It's [like] your culture is nothing, your race is nothing, you're nothing." He concluded by saying that "It is sweet and noble -- sweet and honourable I guess it is -- to die for what you believe in."
Yep, he's insane.
Smart people scare you, huh Tip?

VONNEGUT:

My books are being thrown out of school libraries all over the country—because they’re supposedly obscene. I’ve seen letters to small-town newspapers that put Slaughterhouse Five in the same class with Deep Throat and Hustler magazine. How could anybody masturbate to Slaughterhouse Five?

INTERVIEWER:

It takes all kinds.

VONNEGUT:

Well, that kind doesn’t exist. It’s my religion the censors hate. They find me disrespectful towards their idea of God Almighty. They think it’s the proper business of government to protect the reputation of God. All I can say is,“Good luck to them, and good luck to the government, and good luck to God.” You know what H. L. Mencken said one time about religious people? He said he’d been greatly misunderstood. He said he didn’t hate them. He simply found them comical.

http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/3605...

"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music."

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#84 Jun 18, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Smart people scare you, huh Tip?
VONNEGUT:
My books are being thrown out of school libraries all over the country—because they’re supposedly obscene. I’ve seen letters to small-town newspapers that put Slaughterhouse Five in the same class with Deep Throat and Hustler magazine. How could anybody masturbate to Slaughterhouse Five?
INTERVIEWER:
It takes all kinds.
VONNEGUT:
Well, that kind doesn’t exist. It’s my religion the censors hate. They find me disrespectful towards their idea of God Almighty. They think it’s the proper business of government to protect the reputation of God. All I can say is,“Good luck to them, and good luck to the government, and good luck to God.” You know what H. L. Mencken said one time about religious people? He said he’d been greatly misunderstood. He said he didn’t hate them. He simply found them comical.
http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/3605...
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music."
woof
Smart people admire jihadist suicide bombers?
Why am I not surprised you believe such?
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#85 Jun 18, 2014
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Smart people admire jihadist suicide bombers?
Why am I not surprised you believe such?
Smart people know what Vonnegut was saying. You, and David Nason simply don't qualify:

Dulce et Decorum Est

And now to the point of my Kurt Vonnegut quote up there in the title. Last week’s Australian fea­tured an inter­view with Vonnegut — a rare and excit­ing enough event. Imagine my sur­prise when the arti­cle by David Nason turned out to be one of the most wretched, manip­u­la­tive and imma­ture pieces of jour­nal­ism I have ever read. Nason takes the words of a clearly aging and some­what depressed Vonnegut (any­body who reads his still bril­liant invec­tives in In These Times would under­stand and have expected his sad­ness at the state of the world) and con­torts them into a self-serving attack on the man’s views. I have never seen the word “I” used so much in an arti­cle in the Australian, or for that mat­ter even in gig reviews sub­mit­ted to me by first years back when I was edit­ing stu­dent papers. He talks of ques­tions he “wants to ask”, but never asks them. When the still play­ful Vonnegut taunts Nason by invok­ing Wilfred Owen (invok­ing Horace) when on the sub­ject of ter­ror­ism —“how sweet and hon­ourable it is to die for one’s coun­try”, Nason, and seem­ingly the entire edi­to­r­ial staff of the Oz, missed the ref­er­ence, and began to jump up and down angrily. He’s a ter­ror­ist! A sym­pa­thiser! Poor old Vonnegut, he made the mis­take of assum­ing intel­li­gence on the part of his inter­viewer. Perhaps he pre­sumed that Nason might know how the poem closes, that he might even get the point, and the anger of the words:

If in some smoth­er­ing dreams you too could pace

Behind the wagon that we flung him in,

And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,

His hang­ing face, like a devil’s sick of sin;

If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood

Come gar­gling from the froth-corrupted lungs,

Obscene as can­cer, bit­ter as the cud

Of vile, incur­able sores on inno­cent tongues,

My friend, you would not tell with such high zest

To chil­dren ardent for some des­per­ate glory,

The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est

Pro patria mori.

Today’s Australian fea­tures a page ded­i­cated to angry response to the arti­cle. Actually, to be accu­rate, it con­tains half a page of responses and half a page of Nason’s “defence”. The defence appears to state that those who crit­i­cised him are “Stalinists”(direct quote) and that Kurt Vonnegut has now taken to leav­ing angry threat­en­ing mes­sages on his machine. Nason, a Murdoch hack in New York, made the mis­take of think­ing him­self a great lit­er­ary jour­nal­ist, and chose one of the last half-century’s most frus­trat­ingly bril­liant voices to prac­tice his low rent new jour­nal­ism on. Let’s hope his edi­tors see the light and don’t set him loose on any­body else other than the odd B-list celebrity and Republican. I have yet to post any­thing on George Clooney’s mas­ter­ful Goodnight, and Good Luck but that I read the Vonnegut arti­cle, and its wretched stand­first about his sup­port of ter­ror­ists, on the same day I saw that won­der­ful look at the end of McCarthyism and the neces­sity of a respon­si­ble and inter­rog­a­tive media in a func­tion­ing and threat­ened democ­racy, must have meant some­thing. No?

http://patrickpittman.com/2005/12/to_whom_it_...

woof
Pope Che Reagan Christ I

Lodi, OH

#86 Jun 18, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Smart people know what Vonnegut was saying. You, and David Nason simply don't qualify:
Dulce et Decorum Est
And now to the point of my Kurt Vonnegut quote up there in the title. Last week’s Australian fea­tured an inter­view with Vonnegut — a rare and excit­ing enough event. Imagine my sur­prise when the arti­cle by David Nason turned out to be one of the most wretched, manip­u­la­tive and imma­ture pieces of jour­nal­ism I have ever read. Nason takes the words of a clearly aging and some­what depressed Vonnegut (any­body who reads his still bril­liant invec­tives in In These Times would under­stand and have expected his sad­ness at the state of the world) and con­torts them into a self-serving attack on the man’s views. I have never seen the word “I” used so much in an arti­cle in the Australian, or for that mat­ter even in gig reviews sub­mit­ted to me by first years back when I was edit­ing stu­dent papers. He talks of ques­tions he “wants to ask”, but never asks them. When the still play­ful Vonnegut taunts Nason by invok­ing Wilfred Owen (invok­ing Horace) when on the sub­ject of ter­ror­ism —“how sweet and hon­ourable it is to die for one’s coun­try”, Nason, and seem­ingly the entire edi­to­r­ial staff of the Oz, missed the ref­er­ence, and began to jump up and down angrily. He’s a ter­ror­ist! A sym­pa­thiser! Poor old Vonnegut, he made the mis­take of assum­ing intel­li­gence on the part of his inter­viewer. Perhaps he pre­sumed that Nason might know how the poem closes, that he might even get the point, and the anger of the words:
If in some smoth­er­ing dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hang­ing face, like a devil’s sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gar­gling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as can­cer, bit­ter as the cud
Of vile, incur­able sores on inno­cent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To chil­dren ardent for some des­per­ate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.
Today’s Australian fea­tures a page ded­i­cated to angry response to the arti­cle. Actually, to be accu­rate, it con­tains half a page of responses and half a page of Nason’s “defence”. The defence appears to state that those who crit­i­cised him are “Stalinists”(direct quote) and that Kurt Vonnegut has now taken to leav­ing angry threat­en­ing mes­sages on his machine. Nason, a Murdoch hack in New York, made the mis­take of think­ing him­self a great lit­er­ary jour­nal­ist, and chose one of the last half-century’s most frus­trat­ingly bril­liant voices to prac­tice his low rent new jour­nal­ism on. Let’s hope his edi­tors see the light and don’t set him loose on any­body else other than the odd B-list celebrity and Republican. I have yet to post any­thing on George Clooney’s mas­ter­ful Goodnight, and Good Luck but that I read the Vonnegut arti­cle, and its wretched stand­first about his sup­port of ter­ror­ists, on the same day I saw that won­der­ful look at the end of McCarthyism and the neces­sity of a respon­si­ble and inter­rog­a­tive media in a func­tion­ing and threat­ened democ­racy, must have meant some­thing. No?
http://patrickpittman.com/2005/12/to_whom_it_...
woof
You have wandered to a level of thought and understanding that doesn't exist here.
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#87 Jun 18, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Smart people scare you, huh Tip?
VONNEGUT:
My books are being thrown out of school libraries all over the country—because they’re supposedly obscene. I’ve seen letters to small-town newspapers that put Slaughterhouse Five in the same class with Deep Throat and Hustler magazine. How could anybody masturbate to Slaughterhouse Five?
INTERVIEWER:
It takes all kinds.
VONNEGUT:
Well, that kind doesn’t exist. It’s my religion the censors hate. They find me disrespectful towards their idea of God Almighty. They think it’s the proper business of government to protect the reputation of God. All I can say is,“Good luck to them, and good luck to the government, and good luck to God.” You know what H. L. Mencken said one time about religious people? He said he’d been greatly misunderstood. He said he didn’t hate them. He simply found them comical.
http://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/3605...
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music."
woof
funny you quote this person as you cannot disagree without disrespecting anybody... when it comes to someone being a christian. Hence term atheist. They arent called abuddhists, douchy. Its because most of their critisism falls on theism.
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#88 Jun 18, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
You have wandered to a level of thought and understanding that doesn't exist here.
No doubt.
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#89 Jun 18, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> funny you quote this person as you cannot disagree without disrespecting anybody... when it comes to someone being a christian. Hence term atheist. They arent called abuddhists, douchy. Its because most of their critisism falls on theism.
Makes them kinda sound like groups that just hate or try to sterotype jewish people. With constant criticism.
George Clooney

Toledo, OH

#90 Jun 18, 2014
Pope Che Reagan Christ I wrote:
<quoted text>
You have wandered to a level of thought and understanding that doesn't exist here.
No. He has not.
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#91 Jun 18, 2014
  DULCE ET DECORUM EST - the first words of a Latin saying (taken from an ode by Horace). The words were widely understood and often quoted at the start of the First World War. They mean "It is sweet and right." The full saying ends the poem: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori - it is sweet and right to die for your country. In other words, it is a wonderful and great honour to fight and die for your country....
Not because of your country.
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#92 Jun 18, 2014
d pantz wrote:
<quoted text> funny you quote this person as you cannot disagree without disrespecting anybody... when it comes to someone being a christian. Hence term atheist. They arent called abuddhists, douchy. Its because most of their critisism falls on theism.
Respect isn't something that one simply donates.

If people like Tippy and Nason don't earn it, they don't get it from me. Its amusing that you would extrapolate my feelings to the entirety of the Christian world.

That Tippy jumps on the now dead Nason's bandwagon to attack the now dead Vonnegut's thoughts on war exposes Tippy as a simpleton. I won't apologize for my remarks.

Have you noticed that the transcript of Nason's interview with Vonnegut appears to have been purged from the internet (if I'm wrong and you can find it, please post a link)? Do you wonder why?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_et_decorum...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_Et_Decorum...

woof
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#93 Jun 18, 2014

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#94 Jun 18, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Respect isn't something that one simply donates.
If people like Tippy and Nason don't earn it, they don't get it from me. Its amusing that you would extrapolate my feelings to the entirety of the Christian world.
That Tippy jumps on the now dead Nason's bandwagon to attack the now dead Vonnegut's thoughts on war exposes Tippy as a simpleton. I won't apologize for my remarks.
Have you noticed that the transcript of Nason's interview with Vonnegut appears to have been purged from the internet (if I'm wrong and you can find it, please post a link)? Do you wonder why?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_et_decorum...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulce_Et_Decorum...
woof
Pure and unadulterated bullsh!t.

Vonnegut is unable, or simply refuses, to distinguish between good and evil.
Further, his hatred of Bush inspired his admiration of jihadists/suicide bombers.
Seems a conundrum for an avowed humanist.

You, as his disciple, habitually echo Vonnegut's unhinged, anti-intellectual, anti-American, anti-Christian, socialist drivel, e.g.:

"...In case you haven’t noticed, and as a result of a shamelessly rigged election in Florida, in which thousands of African Americans were arbitrarily disenfranchised, we now present ourselves to the rest of the world as proud, grinning, jut-jawed, pitiless war lovers, with appallingly powerful weaponry and unopposed.

In case you haven’t noticed, we are now almost as feared and hated all over the world as the Nazis were.

With good reason.

In case you haven’t noticed, our unelected leaders have dehumanized millions and millions of human beings simply because of their religion and race. We wound and kill ’em and torture ’em and imprison ’em all we want...."

- Kurt Vonnegut, 2004
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#95 Jun 18, 2014
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Pure and unadulterated bullsh!t.
Vonnegut is unable, or simply refuses, to distinguish between good and evil.
Further, his hatred of Bush inspired his admiration of jihadists/suicide bombers.
Seems a conundrum for an avowed humanist.
You, as his disciple, habitually echo Vonnegut's unhinged, anti-intellectual, anti-American, anti-Christian, socialist drivel, e.g.:
"...In case you haven’t noticed, and as a result of a shamelessly rigged election in Florida, in which thousands of African Americans were arbitrarily disenfranchised, we now present ourselves to the rest of the world as proud, grinning, jut-jawed, pitiless war lovers, with appallingly powerful weaponry and unopposed.
In case you haven’t noticed, we are now almost as feared and hated all over the world as the Nazis were.
With good reason.
In case you haven’t noticed, our unelected leaders have dehumanized millions and millions of human beings simply because of their religion and race. We wound and kill ’em and torture ’em and imprison ’em all we want...."
- Kurt Vonnegut, 2004
You hate people who point out the truth, huh Tippy?

woof

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#96 Jun 18, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
You hate people who point out the truth, huh Tippy?
woof
Glad to see you fully own your ideology, moonbat.
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#97 Jun 18, 2014
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Glad to see you fully own your ideology, moonbat.
I sure do.

Your problem seems to be that you are confused, and can't fathom the fact that other people might not think like you. Additionally, you can't seem to acknowledge that some very intelligent people make statements for the purposes of provoking thoughtful introspection.

You seem to be incapable of intelligent, intellectual discourse.

Your problem, not mine.

Kurt is laughing at you, and you can't figure that out.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Tallmadge, OH

#98 Jun 18, 2014
http://news.yahoo.com/scalia-religion-remarks...

hmmm. I wonder what Kurt was warning about.

woof
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#99 Jun 19, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
I sure do.
Your problem seems to be that you are confused, and can't fathom the fact that other people might not think like you. Additionally, you can't seem to acknowledge that some very intelligent people make statements for the purposes of provoking thoughtful introspection.
You seem to be incapable of intelligent, intellectual discourse.
Your problem, not mine.
Kurt is laughing at you, and you can't figure that out.
woof
you keep re-defining words, making your rants hard to decipher.

epic failure due to stupidity is now.....intelligent?

Kurt is a chump, and intelligent had to be re-defined to read the crap he wrote. Universities taught his crap, but daily the Universities prove brain washing young minds is simple.

Who is laughing....is anyone who read your. post
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#100 Jun 19, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Respect isn't something that one simply donates...
Dont try to use those two as an excuse for your intolerance of a whole group of people...
d pantz

Toledo, OH

#101 Jun 19, 2014
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
I sure do.
Your problem seems to be that you are confused, and can't fathom the fact that other people might not think like you. Additionally, you can't seem to acknowledge that some very intelligent people make statements for the purposes of provoking thoughtful introspection.
You seem to be incapable of intelligent, intellectual discourse.
Your problem, not mine.
Kurt is laughing at you, and you can't figure that out.
woof
Once again, what do you think atheism is?

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