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Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#43 Feb 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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I think it is going to take more than just your faith.
The evidence against Zimmerman is pretty strong, and growing stronger as more and more details come out.
your fantasy continues.

and OJ is innocent too.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#44 Feb 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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1) Any evidence to back up anything you say?
AND
2) How does it relate to getting Z. off the hook for Trayvon's murder?
all you do is ask others to present evidence.

guess what honey.....everything you have posted is documented court evidence?

give me a break..........

in a case of self defense, the shooter has to demonstrate fear for loss of own life, to use lethal defense.

did the shooter call 911 prior to shooting?

plenty of background noise too.

and then 5 minutes later has a nose broken, with scull lacerations and bruises. Suspect is punch drunk at hospital.

the puncher is dead.

above is all fact.

we all await the spin in-between for entertainment.

that is the south; and their guns and bibles. You think 12 jurors are going to convict a guy who was helping protect his neighborhood, and when asked of a person for why they are there, he gets his head slammed on to the concrete; and a broken nose.

puncher has a history of violent behavior.

my opening statement to the court if I were Zimmermans Attorney:

It is best to be judged by 12, then carried to the grave by 6.

now let the circus begin.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#45 Feb 8, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
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1) You know very well what Trayvon's Twitter handle was.
2) Homicide isn't always murder. You know that, too.
Well, I know what a bunch of internet posters have SAID it was--if that was good enough, then Zimmerman's attorney wouldn't be all twisted up about deposing Trayvon's parents to get that info (Trayvon's twitter account information)--so he can subpoena the twitter account. Hence the question about having any evidence.

However,

Proving that the guy had an ugly twitter handle (borrowed from a rap song) does absolutely nothing to justify his murder. And in all likelihood, such information won't even be admissable in court.

And the fact that Z's attorney is putting valuable resources into chasing such stuff around suggests that he hasn't got anything better. And by his own admission, he has no experts lined up.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#46 Feb 8, 2013
Telgin wrote:
<quoted text>Yup.
1. Ash-Tray's Facebook, that he created, refered to him as "No Limit N'er.
2. The coroner said he was deader than sh-it.
3. When you attack someone and they shoot you, it is self-defense.
Now go re-insert your cranium into your colon, the way you are most comfortable.
You speak as though #1 and #3 were settled and supported by evidence. In fact, the reality is far from it.

What we have to date is a bunch of internet posters swearing that either the FB or twitter accounts used that handle. However, these accounts are a complete diversion--having nothing to do with the events of the evening on which Trayvon Martin was killed.

Now, as regards the alleged attack, we have two points. One is Zimmerman's word and the other is his injuries. The problem is that Zimmerman's story is full of holes--contradicted by evidence, including the injury evidence. We know that George presented to the police with a bloody nose and a small laceration to the back of his head. George's story is that he received these injuries at the hands of Trayvon Martin who, completely unprovoked, jumped him and tried to kill him. The laceration is inconsistent with the repeated skull-bashings against pavement described by George and the other blows to the face and attempted smothering are highly questionable due to the lack of George's DNA or blood on Trayvon's hands or sleeves.

Now that is what a jury is going to hear. Not your little rants about Trayvon's alleged Facebook conversations.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#47 Feb 8, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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and then 5 minutes later has a nose broken, with scull lacerations and bruises. Suspect is punch drunk at hospital.
the puncher is dead.
The suspect never went to the hospital. In fact, he turned down multiple opportunities to go to the hospital.

So, your account of being punch drunk at the hospital is somebody's fiction.

And--I don't know what you mean by "court evidence," but yes, the evidence I am referring to is that which has been submitted to the court through discovery.

Some such evidence (such as the school records) that was submitted has not been made public. However, in the case of the school records, it is fairly easy to surmise that if there was anything of value--or admissable--in the school records, O'Mara would be talking about it. He has been silent.

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#48 Feb 8, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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that is the south; and their guns and bibles. You think 12 jurors are going to convict a guy who was helping protect his neighborhood, and when asked of a person for why they are there, he gets his head slammed on to the concrete; and a broken nose.
puncher has a history of violent behavior.
You are putting your faith in the bias of a Southern jury?

Zimmerman's account does not include asking Trayvon why he was there. Zimmerman stated that Trayvon approached him asking "you gotta problem, homey?" (I guess Zimmerman thought that's how all black people talk). Zimmerman claims to have replied, "no, I don't have a problem," (which would be the opposite of the truth--he called the police because he DID have a problem). Then Zimmerman claims that Trayvon said, "well you do now" and then tried to beat him to death.

Now those are Zimmerman's words, immortalized in several places. So--you cannot easily claim that Zimmerman asked him what he was doing.

And as far as the "history of violent behavior," nothing that I have seen (other than internet rumors) substantiates this. In fact, the early leak from the SPD was that the school record revealed NO violent offenses and there was no juvenile court record.

No--that's my evidence.

What's yours?

“Don't trust the internet!”

Since: Jan 12

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#49 Feb 8, 2013
FKA Reader wrote:
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You speak as though #1 and #3 were settled and supported by evidence. In fact, the reality is far from it.
What we have to date is a bunch of internet posters swearing that either the FB or twitter accounts used that handle. However, these accounts are a complete diversion--having nothing to do with the events of the evening on which Trayvon Martin was killed.
Now, as regards the alleged attack, we have two points. One is Zimmerman's word and the other is his injuries. The problem is that Zimmerman's story is full of holes--contradicted by evidence, including the injury evidence. We know that George presented to the police with a bloody nose and a small laceration to the back of his head. George's story is that he received these injuries at the hands of Trayvon Martin who, completely unprovoked, jumped him and tried to kill him. The laceration is inconsistent with the repeated skull-bashings against pavement described by George and the other blows to the face and attempted smothering are highly questionable due to the lack of George's DNA or blood on Trayvon's hands or sleeves.
Now that is what a jury is going to hear. Not your little rants about Trayvon's alleged Facebook conversations.
BTW--some of those same internet posters also believed that they had identified the twitter and FB accounts of Witness #8, also referred to as DeeDee. Apparently they were wrong--resulting in "doxing" (smearing someone with documented info) someone else, who is a minor. Some have raised the question of witness intimidation, which is a crime.

It really remains to be seen what may be available from either FB or twitter. They are both pretty large enterprises with some considerable stake in protecting (or appearing to protect, anyway) the privacy of their clients. I would imagine that they have pretty substantial legal departments and I don't guess that they are going to just hand information over easily--even with a subpoena.

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