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Feb 7, 2013
 
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OK judge skimmer...there is this funny thing we do in America called a trial.....I guess you support that as long as they agree with you eh?
see ya in 5 or 6 months......
Latest news.......school records, face book, gang tats, bloody Zimmerman photos, etc. are in by the way..........LOL
Yes, I absolutely support the right to a trial.

However, my own opinion, based on all evidence that I have seen so far, is that Zimmerman is guilty.

Re: Zimmerman's bloody photos. These raise some interesting questions. With all that blood on Z's face, and his claim that Trayvon covered his nose and mouth with both hands to the extent that he could not breathe--how is it that none of Z's DNA showed up on T's hands?

Another question. The blood on the back of Z's head seems to originate from a short laceration near the top of the head (laceration, btw not quite what would be expected from bashing a head against concrete, which would be more likely to cause abrasions). The picture of the blood trail shows the blood running from the lac to the bottom of the ear. Now, George claims to have been on his back--in which case gravity would dictate the blood flowing into the grass--and then gettin up following the shooting--where gravity would draw blood straight down to the nape of the neck. In order to achieve the particular pattern seen, George would have needed to be in a face-downwards position--as in someone astride someone else leaning forward--exactly the position that he describes, but in reverse.

As far as Facebook, school records, gang tats and all--you are assuming facts not yet in evidence. Now your report of gang tats can easily be discounted by the coronors report--which provided the size, position and description of existing tattoos. School records are, and have been, in the hands of O'Mara for a couple of weeks. We can believe that there were no aha's there or they would have gone straight up on his website. Facebook is nothing more than a fishing expedition looking for ways to discredit the victim because the defense hasn't been able to pull together a case based on the evidence.

Again--if George Zimmerman had chosen to stalk the Boston Strangler as he walked home, unarmed, from the store--he would not have had the right to shoot him down.

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you are clueless
Trayvon is charged as a thug that was splitting open the head of the defendant till the defendant shot the suspect dead.
self defense....case closed.
next.
the trail is to determine if Trayvon deserved a bullet or not.
honestly, not a soul I can think of cares even a little bit what you think.
most see you as a traitor to this country.....those that don't are future target practice like you.
This country will not make 4 more years without an internal war amongst citizens.
your side started the war; and are going to lose it because of extreme measures.
keep laughing.
Interesting little rant there.

The "trail" follows a charge of second degree murder levelled against George Zimmerman. The only possible verdicts (other than perhaps a hung jury) are guilty or not guilty. Despite the desperate attempts of many to change the tune, Trayvon Martin is not on trial.

The current plan of for an immunity hearing in which George will claim self defense. His story is that he was defending himself against an unprovoked attack by someone he suspected and was following. In the court of public opinion his attorney has attempted to score points with a picture showing that George had a bloody, possibly swollen, nose immediately following the shooting and a laceration to the back of his head.

The problem they will have is connecting the dots back to Trayvon, establishing that those injuries were in fact life-threatening, as well as possibly establishing that, if inflicted by Trayvon, they were not in the act of defending himself from an attack by Zimmerman.

The second problem that the defense has is that their client seems to be a nearly compulsive liar and he has told some pretty big ones so far--to his family and friends, who believe him and have repeated his stories--to the press, to the police, and to the court under oath. Further, there are portions of his story clearly contradicted by the forensic evidence.

And to top it all off, he is very likely just days away from losing his attorney and having to throw himself on the mercy of the court as being indigent. This will probably buy him some funds for forensic experts--which he is going to need--but it likely means and end to the 24/7 security and he or his wife are probably going to have to get some kind of a job to support them.
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Feb 7, 2013
 
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Interesting little rant there.
The "trail" follows a charge of second degree murder levelled against George Zimmerman. The only possible verdicts (other than perhaps a hung jury) are guilty or not guilty. Despite the desperate attempts of many to change the tune, Trayvon Martin is not on trial.
The current plan of for an immunity hearing in which George will claim self defense. His story is that he was defending himself against an unprovoked attack by someone he suspected and was following. In the court of public opinion his attorney has attempted to score points with a picture showing that George had a bloody, possibly swollen, nose immediately following the shooting and a laceration to the back of his head.
The problem they will have is connecting the dots back to Trayvon, establishing that those injuries were in fact life-threatening, as well as possibly establishing that, if inflicted by Trayvon, they were not in the act of defending himself from an attack by Zimmerman.
The second problem that the defense has is that their client seems to be a nearly compulsive liar and he has told some pretty big ones so far--to his family and friends, who believe him and have repeated his stories--to the press, to the police, and to the court under oath. Further, there are portions of his story clearly contradicted by the forensic evidence.
And to top it all off, he is very likely just days away from losing his attorney and having to throw himself on the mercy of the court as being indigent. This will probably buy him some funds for forensic experts--which he is going to need--but it likely means and end to the 24/7 security and he or his wife are probably going to have to get some kind of a job to support them.
Trayvon's hearing is long over. There is no acquittal.

Georges has to be convicted of murder with a broken nose and smashed head?
and the dead defendants history of violence and ignoring the law recent.
the tattoo's all over the dead defendant including facial, add to a story.

these people think they are on Broadway?
a moment in the spotlight.
what a waste of taxpayer money; and time of the courts.

it is best be judged by 12, than carried by 6.

above my opening statement in George's case.

and there aren't 12 people going to agree to convict George.

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Yes, I absolutely support the right to a trial.
However, my own opinion, based on all evidence that I have seen so far, is that Zimmerman is guilty.
Re: Zimmerman's bloody photos. These raise some interesting questions. With all that blood on Z's face, and his claim that Trayvon covered his nose and mouth with both hands to the extent that he could not breathe--how is it that none of Z's DNA showed up on T's hands?
Another question. The blood on the back of Z's head seems to originate from a short laceration near the top of the head (laceration, btw not quite what would be expected from bashing a head against concrete, which would be more likely to cause abrasions). The picture of the blood trail shows the blood running from the lac to the bottom of the ear. Now, George claims to have been on his back--in which case gravity would dictate the blood flowing into the grass--and then gettin up following the shooting--where gravity would draw blood straight down to the nape of the neck. In order to achieve the particular pattern seen, George would have needed to be in a face-downwards position--as in someone astride someone else leaning forward--exactly the position that he describes, but in reverse.
As far as Facebook, school records, gang tats and all--you are assuming facts not yet in evidence. Now your report of gang tats can easily be discounted by the coronors report--which provided the size, position and description of existing tattoos. School records are, and have been, in the hands of O'Mara for a couple of weeks. We can believe that there were no aha's there or they would have gone straight up on his website. Facebook is nothing more than a fishing expedition looking for ways to discredit the victim because the defense hasn't been able to pull together a case based on the evidence.
Again--if George Zimmerman had chosen to stalk the Boston Strangler as he walked home, unarmed, from the store--he would not have had the right to shoot him down.
Sorry I should not have mentioned gang tats....I have not seen anything about Trayvons tats being gang tats......

I did see were the social media stuff was going to be turned over to the defense........that stuff may not be in evidence now but apparently the defense has it....

As for which way Zimmermans blood was flowing...LOL
I would think the more pertinent evidence would be that in fact his blood was flowing and from multiple locations.

I am sure he moved around quite a bit after the shooting.....
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Feb 7, 2013
 
NEWS FLASH: Reader revokes earlier calls for Zimmerman's beheading after learning GZ is not only a whigger (white hispanic) but an obama supporter
"Not only was Zimmerman not a racist – he had a black business partner, has Afro-Peruvian roots, and helped out underprivileged black kids in his neighborhood – he also was a supporter of the very president who would later slander him by innuendo. As Robert, George’s brother, told me, George is “a registered Democrat. He registered as a Hispanic. He kind of did some internal family campaigning for Obama.”
George supported Obama, Robert explained, because “He was like many young people who thought that the president’s club had been a club of white men since our founding, and that there really wasn’t a good reason for that, except that the right man for the job who happened to be black had not come along, and that electing a man who happened to be biracial or multiracial like we were, would reflect not just a situation that we found ourselves in ethnically in our family, but the reality of where America had come, which is that we are a melting pot of cultures and we are a diverse society."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...

Maybe this is obama's way of punishing someone for the black on black murder epidemic. Because GZ clearly IDs with blacks (ie whigger) and he goes and caps one, and then obama has him prosecuted (unjustly by YT standards but normal for parasites).

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Trayvon's hearing is long over. There is no acquittal.
Georges has to be convicted of murder with a broken nose and smashed head?
and the dead defendants history of violence and ignoring the law recent.
the tattoo's all over the dead defendant including facial, add to a story.
these people think they are on Broadway?
a moment in the spotlight.
what a waste of taxpayer money; and time of the courts.
it is best be judged by 12, than carried by 6.
above my opening statement in George's case.
and there aren't 12 people going to agree to convict George.
Don't believe everything you read on the internet.

Funny how the coroner missed all those facial tattoos, isn't it? But, it doesn't matter. Sporting a tattoo is no crime in America. And history of anything with regard to the victim is irrelevant unless if occurred during his trek from the 7-11 (on film) back to the place where he was killed.

As far as the damage to George's nose and back of his head--again, the evidence does not support them being from any contact with Travyon. There was a drop of George's blood found on Trayvon's clothing. However, gravity would dictate that a drop is produced by something moving DOWN. As in, George was located ABOVE Trayvon.

What EVIDENCE do you offer?

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Sorry I should not have mentioned gang tats....I have not seen anything about Trayvons tats being gang tats......
I did see were the social media stuff was going to be turned over to the defense........that stuff may not be in evidence now but apparently the defense has it....
As for which way Zimmermans blood was flowing...LOL
I would think the more pertinent evidence would be that in fact his blood was flowing and from multiple locations.
I am sure he moved around quite a bit after the shooting.....
Well, the court has approved subpoenas for Trayvon and Witness #8 (aka DeeDee)'s social media accounts. O'Mara must first determine what names these are under in order to make the requests of Twitter and Facebook. O'Mara has been slow to depose Trayvon's parents and Witness #8 in order to get this information. Part of the most recent roundabout in court this week had to do with this specific. O'Mara has apparently been pushing for the SPD to acquire this information for him--which is really not their job.

But, in any case, what exactly do you expect could be found via social media that would help George's case and be admissable in court?

As far as blood and which way it was flowing, well, I would suggest that this stuff is going to be very important in challenging George's story of how things went down. And it is going to be particularly damning that with all of the supposed contact that Trayvon had with George----particularly about the face--that there was none of George's blood or DNA found on him.

O'Mara has invested a considerable amount of time and money on chasing after the notion that there is hidden information with which to convict Trayvon in the court of public opinion, as well as on some pretty hefty household and security expenses for his client. He, by his own admission, has not hired any forensic experts--which is what he is going to need in this case.

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hey hey now wrote:
NEWS FLASH: Reader revokes earlier calls for Zimmerman's beheading after learning GZ is not only a whigger (white hispanic) but an obama supporter
"Not only was Zimmerman not a racist – he had a black business partner, has Afro-Peruvian roots, and helped out underprivileged black kids in his neighborhood – he also was a supporter of the very president who would later slander him by innuendo. As Robert, George’s brother, told me, George is “a registered Democrat. He registered as a Hispanic. He kind of did some internal family campaigning for Obama.”
George supported Obama, Robert explained, because “He was like many young people who thought that the president’s club had been a club of white men since our founding, and that there really wasn’t a good reason for that, except that the right man for the job who happened to be black had not come along, and that electing a man who happened to be biracial or multiracial like we were, would reflect not just a situation that we found ourselves in ethnically in our family, but the reality of where America had come, which is that we are a melting pot of cultures and we are a diverse society."
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/...
Maybe this is obama's way of punishing someone for the black on black murder epidemic. Because GZ clearly IDs with blacks (ie whigger) and he goes and caps one, and then obama has him prosecuted (unjustly by YT standards but normal for parasites).
I love it! George, "campaigned for Obama--within his family."

First off, what an utterly unproveable allegation. Second, who cares? Is Obama pledged to stand up for every murderer who claims to have voted for him?

He had a black business partner? Didn't even know he had a business. Does the guy have a name? or is he just like those kids George mentored and the organization that he mentored with--completely anonymous? Or his claims of having taken a leading role in organizing the black community to stand up for the homeless black man who was beaten by a cops son.

Isn't it interesting that none of these folks have names, and those who can be identified (like the folks who actually DID organize in support of the beaten homeless black guy) claim they had never heard of George Zimmerman before?

BTW--if you have any doubt that old Robert Zimmerman jr is capable of lying through his teeth, take a look at the Piers Morgan interview. Asked the direct question, isn't it true that Trayvon Martin would still be alive today if George had not had a gun, Robert could not give an honest answer.
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no issues yet
when it was real cold, when started it smoked and made lots of noise.
truck has 2 batteries; and 2 alternators.
I let truck sit and idle for a few minutes prior to moving.
after engine is warm, it purrs.
have you ever used a programmer tool to retune diesel?
Supposedly I can tune my truck with tool called efi live. My computer in truck will hold 5 separate tunes. The economy tune adds 110 rear wheel HP; and 5MPG on highway.
Heavy tow tune adds 25HP; but engine brake and turbo is changed.
you ever hear of this?
it is $800; but does save fuel. It will take alot of fill ups to save $800. But for heavy towing on highway this is supposed to be the berries.
Yes I thought you already had a chip set change in that truck. There are several different programming settings for cpu controlled diesels. I have several Cat engines that where available with different power ratings. You coild go down in power from what it was sold free but had to pay for the program to increase power. Trick is to buy them with maximum power so you could go down or back up without paying cat again.

In your case the program muat also change synchronize with the transmission to get the best performance.
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Don't believe everything you read on the internet.
Funny how the coroner missed all those facial tattoos, isn't it? But, it doesn't matter. Sporting a tattoo is no crime in America. And history of anything with regard to the victim is irrelevant unless if occurred during his trek from the 7-11 (on film) back to the place where he was killed.
As far as the damage to George's nose and back of his head--again, the evidence does not support them being from any contact with Travyon. There was a drop of George's blood found on Trayvon's clothing. However, gravity would dictate that a drop is produced by something moving DOWN. As in, George was located ABOVE Trayvon.
What EVIDENCE do you offer?


you are a stupid women, and logic escapes you.

when the gavel hits the desk, zimmerman will be free.
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Feb 8, 2013
 
Reality Speaks wrote:
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you are clueless
Trayvon is charged as a thug that was splitting open the head of the defendant till the defendant shot the suspect dead.
self defense....case closed.
next.
the trail is to determine if Trayvon deserved a bullet or not.
honestly, not a soul I can think of cares even a little bit what you think.
most see you as a traitor to this country.....those that don't are future target practice like you.
This country will not make 4 more years without an internal war amongst citizens.
your side started the war; and are going to lose it because of extreme measures.
keep laughing.
A war? Wow. Those is some big words. You guys lose a couple of elections and you come all unhinged.
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you are a stupid women, and logic escapes you.
when the gavel hits the desk, zimmerman will be free.
Absolutely fckin hilarious!!!

woof
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A war? Wow. Those is some big words. You guys lose a couple of elections and you come all unhinged.
who was talking anything about elections?
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who was talking anything about elections?
You. That's what's got you all a twitter, isn't it?
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Feb 8, 2013
 
According to Ash-Tray, he was the "No limit N er." Apparently Zim-Dawg found that punk's limit, cuz he be dead. Woot Woot !! Go Z, Go Z, it ur birfday !!
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Telgin wrote:
According to Ash-Tray, he was the "No limit N er." Apparently Zim-Dawg found that punk's limit, cuz he be dead. Woot Woot !! Go Z, Go Z, it ur birfday !!
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you are a stupid women, and logic escapes you.
when the gavel hits the desk, zimmerman will be free.
I think it is going to take more than just your faith.

The evidence against Zimmerman is pretty strong, and growing stronger as more and more details come out.

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Telgin wrote:
According to Ash-Tray, he was the "No limit N er." Apparently Zim-Dawg found that punk's limit, cuz he be dead. Woot Woot !! Go Z, Go Z, it ur birfday !!
1) Any evidence to back up anything you say?

AND

2) How does it relate to getting Z. off the hook for Trayvon's murder?

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1) Any evidence to back up anything you say?
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2) How does it relate to getting Z. off the hook for Trayvon's murder?
1) You know very well what Trayvon's Twitter handle was.
2) Homicide isn't always murder. You know that, too.
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1) Any evidence to back up anything you say?
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2) How does it relate to getting Z. off the hook for Trayvon's murder?
Yup.
1. Ash-Tray's Facebook, that he created, refered to him as "No Limit N'er.
2. The coroner said he was deader than sh-it.
3. When you attack someone and they shoot you, it is self-defense.
Now go re-insert your cranium into your colon, the way you are most comfortable.

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