VERDICT REACHED! Zimmerman
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#125 Jul 15, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
read slowly lawyer
http://pjmedia.com/blog/florida%E2%80%99s-cas...
At stake is Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law. There is no such standalone law. The law to which so many have referred without knowledge of the text or meaning is a common “Castle Doctrine” law in chapter 776 of the 2011 Florida Statutes. It reads (emphasis mine):
776.013&#8195;Home protection; use of deadly force; presumption of fear of death or great bodily harm.—
(1) A person is presumed to have held a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another when using defensive force that is intended or likely to cause death or great bodily harm to another if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force was used was and forcibly entered, a dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle, or if that person had removed or was attempting to remove another against that person’s will from the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle; and
(b) The person who uses defensive force knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry or unlawful and forcible act was occurring or had occurred.
(2) The presumption set forth in subsection (1) does not apply if:
(a) The person against whom the defensive force is used has the right to be in or is a lawful resident of the dwelling, residence, or vehicle, such as an owner, lessee, or titleholder, and there is not an injunction for protection from domestic violence or a written pretrial supervision order of no contact against that person; or
(b) The person or persons sought to be removed is a child or grandchild, or is otherwise in the lawful custody or under the lawful guardianship of, the person against whom the defensive force is used; or
(c) The person who uses defensive force is engaged in an unlawful activity or is using the dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle to further an unlawful activity; or
(d) The person against whom the defensive force is used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who enters or attempts to enter a dwelling, residence, or vehicle in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person entering or attempting to enter was a law enforcement officer.
(3) A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony.
(4)&#8195;A person who unlawfully and by force enters or attempts to enter a person’s dwelling, residence, or occupied vehicle is presumed to be doing so with the intent to commit an unlawful act involving forc
Your source is wrong.

Subsection (1) is the Castle Doctrine section and subsection (3) is the stand you ground section. Perhaps you should not rely on English teacher's blogs for your legal analysis.
vncnz12

Akron, OH

#126 Jul 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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The state must prove its case.
It did not.
By the way, Trayvon's knuckles did not mind their own business.
If Zimmerman had been suspicious of trayvon doing wrong why didn't he call the police first and remain in his car until the police arrived? If I was walking home and some fat bastard approached me giving me a bunch of crap a fight could ensue regardless of race out of anger or self protection. Something similar happened to me a few years ago. I was looking at junked cars in an open lot on a saturday when the fat inbred bastard that worked there threatened to shoot me. We are both white. Fortunately I kept my cool and nothing happened. That is the reason I identify Zimmerman in the same way. I never forgot that experience I had and the mere mention of the fat bastard at the junk yard's name sickens me. I thank God I did not have a weapon in my car. that is all I have to say.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#127 Jul 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
No.
Would you care to explain why when I pointed out that Ohio's Castle Doctrine is not the same as Florida's stand your ground you asked the question you did?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Please show me where I mentioned the state of Ohio in my post little 0.0

Take that nuclear wepon out of your ayse before you start attempting to talk out of it.

Again,

At stake is Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law.

There is no such stand alone law.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO SUCH STAND ALONE LAW.

The law to which so many have referred without knowledge of the text or meaning is a common “Castle Doctrine” law in chapter 776 of the 2011 Florida Statutes. It reads

http://pjmedia.com/blog/florida%E2%80%99s-cas...

see my post 112 for full text.

Since: Jan 12

Chagrin Falls, OH

#128 Jul 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Americans can't go around assaulting each other because they feel "disrespected."
If someone called me "creepy ass cracka" all day long, I have no right to physically assault him.
http://www.complex.com/city-guide/2013/07/man...
Note who was arrested and charged with assault.
If the injured drunk dies, Mr. Reddish will face charges in his death.
He lost his wife and his job at Goldman Sachs, yet blamed everything on an innocent black guy walking down the street with his wife minding his own business, to be racially berated by a yuppie bigot who apparently held deep seated racism in his heart.

Say what you want but none of you can say what you would not do. He might've spit on them! Dude was lucky that wasn't a dangerous thug he shouted at. His face might've got stomped on, on that concrete. A defense fund is set up for the accused. He was DEFENDING himself and his wife, right!

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#129 Jul 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Your source is wrong.
Subsection (1) is the Castle Doctrine section and subsection (3) is the stand you ground section. Perhaps you should not rely on English teacher's blogs for your legal analysis.
Per my original request, I am still waiting for you or anyone to explain how the stand your ground statute is applicable to the Zimmerman trial.

You can't.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#130 Jul 15, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Please show me where I mentioned the state of Ohio in my post little 0.0
Take that nuclear wepon out of your ayse before you start attempting to talk out of it.
Again,
At stake is Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law.
There is no such stand alone law.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO SUCH STAND ALONE LAW.
The law to which so many have referred without knowledge of the text or meaning is a common “Castle Doctrine” law in chapter 776 of the 2011 Florida Statutes. It reads
http://pjmedia.com/blog/florida%E2%80%99s-cas...
see my post 112 for full text.
1) What is a "stand alone" law?

2) When you refer to a "common" Castle Doctrine law, you put other Castle Doctrine statutes in play, hence my reference to Ohio's.

3) There is nothing common about Florida's statute. What makes it unique is its Stand Your Ground provision.

4) You aren't as smart as you think you are.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#131 Jul 15, 2013
vncnz12 wrote:
<quoted text>If Zimmerman had been suspicious of trayvon doing wrong why didn't he call the police first and remain in his car until the police arrived? If I was walking home and some fat bastard approached me giving me a bunch of crap a fight could ensue regardless of race out of anger or self protection. Something similar happened to me a few years ago. I was looking at junked cars in an open lot on a saturday when the fat inbred bastard that worked there threatened to shoot me. We are both white. Fortunately I kept my cool and nothing happened. That is the reason I identify Zimmerman in the same way. I never forgot that experience I had and the mere mention of the fat bastard at the junk yard's name sickens me. I thank God I did not have a weapon in my car. that is all I have to say.
So...your personal experience made you prejudiced and now you profile.
Interesting...

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#132 Jul 15, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Please show me where I mentioned the state of Ohio in my post little 0.0
Take that nuclear wepon out of your ayse before you start attempting to talk out of it.
Again,
At stake is Florida’s so-called “stand your ground” law.
There is no such stand alone law.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO SUCH STAND ALONE LAW.
The law to which so many have referred without knowledge of the text or meaning is a common “Castle Doctrine” law in chapter 776 of the 2011 Florida Statutes. It reads
http://pjmedia.com/blog/florida%E2%80%99s-cas...
see my post 112 for full text.
Do we have a superstar judge-it icon? If so, I'd hand one to you.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#133 Jul 15, 2013
vncnz12 wrote:
<quoted text>If Zimmerman had been suspicious of trayvon doing wrong why didn't he call the police first and remain in his car until the police arrived? If I was walking home and some fat bastard approached me giving me a bunch of crap a fight could ensue regardless of race out of anger or self protection. Something similar happened to me a few years ago. I was looking at junked cars in an open lot on a saturday when the fat inbred bastard that worked there threatened to shoot me. We are both white. Fortunately I kept my cool and nothing happened. That is the reason I identify Zimmerman in the same way. I never forgot that experience I had and the mere mention of the fat bastard at the junk yard's name sickens me. I thank God I did not have a weapon in my car. that is all I have to say.
Zimmerman did call police.
And there is no law against following anyone.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#134 Jul 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
1) What is a "stand alone" law?
2) When you refer to a "common" Castle Doctrine law, you put other Castle Doctrine statutes in play, hence my reference to Ohio's.
3) There is nothing common about Florida's statute. What makes it unique is its Stand Your Ground provision.
4) You aren't as smart as you think you are.
Per my original request, I am still waiting for you or anyone to explain how the stand your ground statute is applicable to the Zimmerman trial.

You can't.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#135 Jul 15, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> He lost his wife and his job at Goldman Sachs, yet blamed everything on an innocent black guy walking down the street with his wife minding his own business, to be racially berated by a yuppie bigot who apparently held deep seated racism in his heart.
Say what you want but none of you can say what you would not do. He might've spit on them! Dude was lucky that wasn't a dangerous thug he shouted at. His face might've got stomped on, on that concrete. A defense fund is set up for the accused. He was DEFENDING himself and his wife, right!
The couple wasn't walking down the street.
They were eating at the same restaurant.
Instead of ignoring a ranting drunk, backing away, or calling a manager/police, the man chose to assault him.
Now, he's under arrest...hoping the dude doesn't die.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#136 Jul 15, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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Do we have a superstar judge-it icon? If so, I'd hand one to you.
Leave it to you to be the prime cheerleader for ignorance.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#137 Jul 15, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
Per my original request, I am still waiting for you or anyone to explain how the stand your ground statute is applicable to the Zimmerman trial.
You can't.
Did I ever say it did, Bozo?

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#138 Jul 15, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman did call police.
And there is no law against following anyone.
And there is no crime in displaying poor judgement, as I believe he did by not following the 911 operator's request. He didn't even display that he intended to commit murder, especially if he HAD called 911.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#139 Jul 15, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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And there is no crime in displaying poor judgement, as I believe he did by not following the 911 operator's request. He didn't even display that he intended to commit murder, especially if he HAD called 911.
That's exactly what Juror B-37 said:

"I think George Zimmerman is a man whose heart was in the right place, but just got displaced by the vandalism in the neighborhoods and wanting to catch these people so badly that he went above and beyond what he really should have done. But I think his heart was in the right place. It just went terribly wrong," she said.

If anything, the juror said she thought Zimmerman was guilty of not using "good judgment."

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/15/justice/zimmerm...

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#140 Jul 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Did I ever say it did, Bozo?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I understand that you are mad and grasping at straws in an attempt to appear relevant, but your time would be better spent getting that anchovy scent off of dukie's table tennis paddles at his trailer.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#141 Jul 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
What makes it unique is its Stand Your Ground provision.
I wouldn't describe something that over half of the states have, either by statute or by case law, as "unique".

What's (closer to) unique is Florida's burden in self-defense cases... that the prosecutor has to prove it wasn't. In most states it's the defense's burden to prove it WAS. This is not intrinsic to stand-your ground, having to do with self-defense in general.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#142 Jul 15, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
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And there is no crime in displaying poor judgement, as I believe he did by not following the 911 operator's request. He didn't even display that he intended to commit murder, especially if he HAD called 911.
Some people keep saying it, and other people accede to it, but I submit that there is no evidence that Zimmerman followed Martin after the dispatcher said, "We don't need you to do that", and Zimmerman replied, "OK." In fact, there's evidence that he may have stopped, at least for the duration of his call. You could hear the air moving over his phone when he first got out of the truck, but that sound stopped shortly after he said, "OK".

If you want to listen to the call again to see what I'm talking about:
They cannot kill a spook

Toledo, OH

#143 Jul 15, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> What is so far fetched about that? Legal shooting of a black teen ...ain't that what Zimmerman did! You people don't think that those laws were passed because of crimes committed by black thugs then you are stupid and in denial!
Thugs especially black ones are not to be terminate? I see you are a full on Marxist since you believe no one has a right to protect his own life family or.property.. news I have no use for any thug black or.any other shade.

Since: Jan 12

Chagrin Falls, OH

#144 Jul 15, 2013
They cannot kill a spook wrote:
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Thugs especially black ones are not to be terminate? I see you are a full on Marxist since you believe no one has a right to protect his own life family or.property.. news I have no use for any thug black or.any other shade.
You just proved my point!

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