VERDICT REACHED! Zimmerman
Conservative

Springfield, OH

#227 Jul 17, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Each of the witnesses saw something different. When tussling either party can be on top as the fight ensues!! The last moment before the gun shot, the screams were not from Zimmerman. He had a round in the chamber without the safety on. He pulled that weapon and shot Martin while they were free from the wrestling . That's why you hear Martin screaming whoaaa, noooo, ahhh, noooo, then POP! He killed that kid as Martin was screaming for help. Listen to the recording. Zimmerman had all the help he needed in that holster.
There were yells for help before the shot. The prosecutors witness said he observed them for about 10 seconds, told them to stop and was calling the police. If you are correct why didn't Martin turn to the witness and again yell help. I never heard any where that Martin yelled or said, whoaaa, noooo, ahhh, noooo, then the gunshot.

The Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm semi-automatic pistol that was used does not have an external safety. No little lever to switch. It has an automatic hammer block safety, which prevents it from firing when dropped. It is also “double-action only,” which means the trigger must be pulled fully in order to fire.

There were at least 4 witnesses that I saw in the trial that identified the voice as Zimmerman's. If your contention is that Zimmerman wasn't afraid for his life, why didn't he pulled the gun sooner rather than take a beating?
vncnz12

Akron, OH

#228 Jul 17, 2013
Partly Cloudy wrote:
<quoted text>
I get so tired of people telling others to stop watching Fox news. Why? So we can be sheep like all the others and hear that all whites are racist. Especially Republican whites. All Democrats are good. All Republicans are bad. No thanks! I watch all different channels and make up my own mind. There are bad whites and blacks. Bad Republicans and bad Democrats. But I know that there are a hell of a lot of good people of all colors, backgrounds and beliefs out there as well. The media is what is tearing everyone apart. And most of you buy into it.
I dont buy into anything I can think for myself the media wether on the left or on the right is generally full of BS. If the media had not televised this trial and if Zimmerman and Martin had been of the same race and if Zemmerman, the son of a judge, was not connected he would have been found guilty of manslaughter. The last decent Republican was Eisenhower the rest of them are bought and paid for by corporate lobbyists. The religion in this country is for those on the bottom to bust their butts for very little while those at the top worship the God of money.
Conservative

Springfield, OH

#229 Jul 17, 2013
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Slamming a head on concrete RREPEATEDLY sir, would do way more damage than requiring two band aids. All the medical professionals attest to that fact. Zimmerman dramatized that part of his story. Only the whites who think Zimmerman was totally defenseless believes his story.
Blacks and medical personnel know better! Millions of us have seen fights throughout our lives, and we know that to repeatedly bang someone's head ON CONCRETE would cause way more damage to the BACK of a skull than two small wounds that required no stitches and didn't cause ANY fracture. Zimmerman said REPEATEDLY, not falling one time from four feet! You sound ridiculous.
We're flesh and blood, not cartoons! His story might work in Bugs Bunny shows, not in the real world.
No one is required to self assess the damage being or not being done. It is our perception. What at the moment and during an attack do you believe. The first 30 seconds are critical. A fight that lasts longer will almost surely result in the serious injury or death to one or the other.

If the police had arrived before the shot, odds are Martin would have been charged with felony assault. The police would have seen Martin striking Zimmerman, note the injuries to Zimmerman and none to Martin.
Conservative

Springfield, OH

#230 Jul 17, 2013
Martin's Step-Mother (ex step-mother) was his step-mother for 13 years, from the time Martin was about 3.

She stated that she believes Zimmerman DID NOT profile Martin because he was Black but of course believes Zimmerman started it by at least touching Martin.

I take the latter comment with a grain of salt because as any parent would, we want to believe what we want to believe even if the evidence is not there.

Why was the step mother omitted from any coverage? She raised and lived in the same house house with Martin for 13 years.

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#231 Jul 17, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course, we were discussing self defense outside of the purview of the Castle Doctrine, but you are too obsessed with me personally to understand that. You would have realized that had you bothered to read Tony's post that I was replying to in which he said that Ohio was a de facto Stand Your Ground State.
Hell I didn't respond to you, you came after me little 0.0.

Normally I ignore your skanky troll ayse.

What you said was, "There is a duty to retreat before using deadly force in Ohio".

You were wrong, deal with it.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

Since: Dec 11

Columbus, OH

#232 Jul 17, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
Hell I didn't respond to you, you came after me little 0.0.
Normally I ignore your skanky troll ayse.
What you said was, "There is a duty to retreat before using deadly force in Ohio".
You were wrong, deal with it.
I need to order several pizzas, extra anchovies please and whatever ingredient you put on the 'za to kill off Reader. You are bright enough to figure out to whom they should be delivered to on this forum.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#233 Jul 17, 2013
Wait what wrote:
I've seen it mentioned lots of places, just haven't seen an official government source.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#234 Jul 17, 2013
Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
There were yells for help before the shot. The prosecutors witness said he observed them for about 10 seconds, told them to stop and was calling the police. If you are correct why didn't Martin turn to the witness and again yell help. I never heard any where that Martin yelled or said, whoaaa, noooo, ahhh, noooo, then the gunshot.
The Kel-Tec PF-9 9mm semi-automatic pistol that was used does not have an external safety. No little lever to switch. It has an automatic hammer block safety, which prevents it from firing when dropped. It is also “double-action only,” which means the trigger must be pulled fully in order to fire.
There were at least 4 witnesses that I saw in the trial that identified the voice as Zimmerman's. If your contention is that Zimmerman wasn't afraid for his life, why didn't he pulled the gun sooner rather than take a beating?
He was probably having a hard time getting to it.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#235 Jul 17, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
There is a ton of case law on the subject.
Like he's got the right password for the paid account? Help the guy out. He has an interest in the law and has prior to this case. He likes to read and learn. Wouldn't it be nice to actually help someone learn something instead of shooting insults back and forth?

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#236 Jul 17, 2013
Wait what wrote:
<quoted text>
Like he's got the right password for the paid account? Help the guy out. He has an interest in the law and has prior to this case. He likes to read and learn. Wouldn't it be nice to actually help someone learn something instead of shooting insults back and forth?
More importantly, every citizen of the state is expected to know this "common law", so why isn't it readily available to everyone?
Partly Cloudy

Cleveland, OH

#237 Jul 17, 2013
vncnz12 wrote:
<quoted text> I dont buy into anything I can think for myself the media wether on the left or on the right is generally full of BS. If the media had not televised this trial and if Zimmerman and Martin had been of the same race and if Zemmerman, the son of a judge, was not connected he would have been found guilty of manslaughter. The last decent Republican was Eisenhower the rest of them are bought and paid for by corporate lobbyists. The religion in this country is for those on the bottom to bust their butts for very little while those at the top worship the God of money.
Um....Sorry, you lost my attention when you spouted off all of the typical liberal talking points. Good luck with that.
Partly Cloudy

Cleveland, OH

#238 Jul 17, 2013
Eyeball Chambers wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you realize that your statement is racist? How can you spout such foolishness with out knowing the details. Were you there? Did you know Zimmerman?
You may be black or you may not. If you are I pose this to you:
Get angry about poor education. Get angry with gangsta rap and what it is doing to young black kids. Get equally angry when a rapper uses the N word as you would if you heard it from a "cracker." Get angry at the plight of millions of black kids who were sired by a black man and abandoned. Get angry at the senseless inner-city violence. Get angry at gangs. Get angry with the media which spun this tragedy into a race baiting situation. Get angry with so called black leaders like Al Sharpton who whips up racial hatred. Get angry with so called black leaders like Jessie Jackson who produce "love children" instead of being role models which value responsibility and family life.
Sorry buddy, don't you know that white Republicans are the only ones to blame for everything? You for one must not watch the news. It's on 24/7 on all news channels except for Fox News. Nobody can take responsibility for their problems. They can only blame white Republicans. Everything wrong in this world is their fault. They are the only ones who are racist, evil and just all around f'kd up. Get with the program. Geesh!
Hunky77

Los Angeles, CA

#239 Jul 17, 2013
Hey RUK! We need you on the Akron board!
Conservative

Springfield, OH

#240 Jul 17, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Based on the evidence presented at trial, Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid the situation.
As did Martin
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#241 Jul 17, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
Hell I didn't respond to you, you came after me little 0.0.
Normally I ignore your skanky troll ayse.
What you said was, "There is a duty to retreat before using deadly force in Ohio".
You were wrong, deal with it.
My statement is true. There are two limited statutory exceptions. I'll tell you what. Let's test it. Go pick a fight at a bar and shoot the other guy and tell your attorney about how you had no duty to retreat.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#243 Jul 17, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
More importantly, every citizen of the state is expected to know this "common law", so why isn't it readily available to everyone?
There are law libraries in every major city in the state.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#244 Jul 17, 2013
Conservative wrote:
<quoted text>
As did Martin
So? Martin, obviously, wasn't on trial.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#245 Jul 17, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
There are law libraries in every major city in the state.
"Books Is Like Kryptonite To A N****."
- Chris Rock

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#246 Jul 17, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
My statement is true. There are two limited statutory exceptions. I'll tell you what. Let's test it. Go pick a fight at a bar and shoot the other guy and tell your attorney about how you had no duty to retreat.
Nice try at deflecting 0.0. Your statement in its entirety from post #175 of this thread to Tony D2 was

"You are wrong. There is a duty to retreat before using deadly force in Ohio."

Clearly there are exceptions when in your home and vehicle, which you just admitted and made no mention of in your post to Tony.

YOU WERE WRONG.

Deal with it. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha

Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

#247 Jul 17, 2013
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
<quoted text>
Nice try at deflecting 0.0. Your statement in its entirety from post #175 of this thread to Tony D2 was
"You are wrong. There is a duty to retreat before using deadly force in Ohio."
Clearly there are exceptions when in your home and vehicle, which you just admitted and made no mention of in your post to Tony.
YOU WERE WRONG.
Deal with it. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha haha
Sweet Jesus you are stupid.

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