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#207
Jul 16, 2013
 
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
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This case stinks to high heaven.
No, it's not the case that stinks, it's your Anti White Racism

Since: Jan 12

Columbus, OH

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#208
Jul 16, 2013
 
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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Martin v. Zimmerman: The media at its worst
Everything I initially wrote about the Trayvon Martin killing was based on network news reports. And it was almost entirely wrong.
By John Carlson
In my KOMO radio commentary of March 23, 2012, I said the following about the killing of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman:
“Thinking of 17-year old Trayvon the way we’d think of our own kids is exactly how to view this tragedy. The man who police say shot him, George Zimmerman, is a 28-year old CrimeWatch volunteer, who apparently did just about everything a Crimewatch volunteer SHOULDN’T do, such as following the 17 year old teen when a 911 dispatcher advised him not to, confronting him when he had no business doing so, and shooting him. Mr. Zimmerman was not standing his ground against an aggressor, he WAS the aggressor. And Trayvon Martin received the death penalty for walking home in the rain wearing a hooded sweatshirt, and carrying a pack of candy.”
Everything I said was based on what the network news media had been reporting, and continued to report for months. And it was almost entirely wrong.
Eyewitness testimony and physical evidence backs up George Zimmerman’s claim that he was neither the physical aggressor, nor even “standing his ground” that night. He was confronted by an angry Martin, who knocked him down with a punch to the nose and proceeded to pummel him.(There is no evidence of a “fight,” but abundant evidence of an assault).
Trayvon Martin was shot not “walking home in the rain wearing a hooded sweatshirt,”but while straddling Zimmerman MMA style, beating him senseless, bloodying his face and punching or pounding his head against the concrete sidewalk.
The most disputed question that night — who was screaming for help before the shot was fired by Zimmerman?— has family and friends on both sides divided. But it raises another question that essentially answers itself: Who would more likely scream for help? The person being beaten, or the one doing the beating?
One of the most important, and remarkably under-publicized facts that came out at trial is that one of the detectives, while interrogating Zimmerman at the police station that night, told him that the entire incident had been caught on surveillance video. The detective was bluffing, but Zimmerman didn’t know that. His reaction:“Thank God”.
“Thank God.” How many people who do something wrong, lie about it and are told it’s on tape react that way?
Zimmerman certainly made mistakes that night; he should have stayed in his car. But they were mistakes in judgment. So weak was the criminal case against him that many were predicting his acquittal two days into the trial before the defense had even presented its case.
So why are so many people upset and angry about the verdict?
Because they still believe what I believed in that commentary a year and a half ago.
The news media, aided by activists like Al Sharpton, made this entire saga about race from the very beginning. When the racial narrative didn’t fit, the media distorted evidence, doctored audio tape or misled the public about the facts until it did. As Zimmerman’s attorney Mark O’Mara said after the verdict, the press turned Zimmerman, a man who mentored young African American school kids, into a “monster.”
Each of the witnesses saw something different. When tussling either party can be on top as the fight ensues!! The last moment before the gun shot, the screams were not from Zimmerman. He had a round in the chamber without the safety on. He pulled that weapon and shot Martin while they were free from the wrestling . That's why you hear Martin screaming whoaaa, noooo, ahhh, noooo, then POP! He killed that kid as Martin was screaming for help. Listen to the recording. Zimmerman had all the help he needed in that holster.

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#209
Jul 16, 2013
 
-The-Artist- wrote:
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No, it's not the case that stinks, it's your Anti White Racism
Zimmerman's not white, a-ho. And if a black man shot that kid as he screamed for help I'd want him to burn in Hell.

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#210
Jul 16, 2013
 
The man who trained George Zimmerman how to fight also testified on Monday that the former neighborhood watch captain didn’t know how to throw a punch after training for almost a year.

WTF?? Are you f'ing kidding me!!! After a year of training in MMA, he didn't know how to throw a punch!!! Only a stupid pansy assed white person who's never had a fist fight would believe such garbage! I've watched two year olds run around and punch each other after watching a Batman cartoon or Dragon Ball Z! You ball your fist and punch! You telling me hothead George, an ex-security guard/ club bouncer couldn't throw a punch???? Get the phuck outta here!

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Jul 17, 2013
 

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WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Zimmerman's not white, a-ho. And if a black man shot that kid as he screamed for help I'd want him to burn in Hell.
Zimmerman was having his head beaten into the pavement by Trayvon.

The wounds vindicate it.

That's why the MSM was covering it up.

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#212
Jul 17, 2013
 
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Zimmerman was having his head beaten into the pavement by Trayvon.
The wounds vindicate it.
That's why the MSM was covering it up.
No fractured skull yet his 'wounds' vindicate it!! Two cuts on the back came from blows while they were in mutual combat, not from being pounded into the concrete, you idiot. Do you know how hard concrete is? How many times can you bang your head into the sidewalk and only get two small cuts? Zimmerman only needed a band aid, not a staple gun, or stitches. Man, you are gullible.
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#213
Jul 17, 2013
 
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> No fractured skull yet his 'wounds' vindicate it!! Two cuts on the back came from blows while they were in mutual combat, not from being pounded into the concrete, you idiot. Do you know how hard concrete is? How many times can you bang your head into the sidewalk and only get two small cuts? Zimmerman only needed a band aid, not a staple gun, or stitches. Man, you are gullible.
you possess the intelligence of peat moss.

how many times have people fallen on concrete not requiring stitches?

head being banged on concrete is at max a 1 foot drop. Falling is over 4 feet.

Zimmerman had more than 2 cuts.

you need to get over fact people will cap you if you start a fight.

if you don't like it.....that is your problem.

want to fight about it.....be careful. A dirt nap is in your future.

“Where did I put my tiara?”

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Columbus, OH

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#214
Jul 17, 2013
 
WISE AMERICAN wrote:
<quoted text> Only blacks steal, kill, and destroy properties, ok!
Please provide me a reference where I ever alleged that on any thread. I don't condone that behavior from any race/person. My post was based on what I saw.

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#215
Jul 17, 2013
 
Reality Speaks wrote:
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you need to get over fact people will cap you if you start a fight.
if you don't like it.....that is your problem.
want to fight about it.....be careful. A dirt nap is in your future.
Exactly. You need to be careful what you do. You have no idea who is carrying and who isn't. Driving to the store, I flipped someone off for cutting me off. Went on my merry way only to find myself being chased by the guy; won't do that again. Always assume someone is carrying.

I'll throw a punch at you next time I see you. I think I can shock and awe you and you would laugh before you could pull a weapon.
They cannot kill a Spook

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#216
Jul 17, 2013
 
GlitterSucks wrote:
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Exactly. You need to be careful what you do. You have no idea who is carrying and who isn't. Driving to the store, I flipped someone off for cutting me off. Went on my merry way only to find myself being chased by the guy; won't do that again. Always assume someone is carrying.
I'll throw a punch at you next time I see you. I think I can shock and awe you and you would laugh before you could pull a weapon.
You need to be carrying if you are flipping off jackasses.

Shoot first call the coroner later.

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#217
Jul 17, 2013
 
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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You need to be carrying if you are flipping off jackasses.
Shoot first call the coroner later.
That's what you want, every city, town, and holler to become south side Chicago! Flip me off or cut in front of me and I'll unload on you, right! And you claim blacks are prone to violence when someone disses them! You people are full of sh!t.

You claim a false sense of superiority and intelligence. You're no different than a chimp with a dangerous weapon.

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#218
Jul 17, 2013
 
They cannot kill a Spook wrote:
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You need to be carrying if you are flipping off jackasses.
Shoot first call the coroner later.
I suck shooting a gun. I can't hit a target but I can shoot the target wire and snap that. Hubby knows to duck if I ever pointed a gun at him. Our last time at the shooting range, cost him to replace the little wire thingie.

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#219
Jul 17, 2013
 
Reality Speaks wrote:
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you possess the intelligence of peat moss.
how many times have people fallen on concrete not requiring stitches?
head being banged on concrete is at max a 1 foot drop. Falling is over 4 feet.
Zimmerman had more than 2 cuts.
you need to get over fact people will cap you if you start a fight.
if you don't like it.....that is your problem.
want to fight about it.....be careful. A dirt nap is in your future.
Slamming a head on concrete RREPEATEDLY sir, would do way more damage than requiring two band aids. All the medical professionals attest to that fact. Zimmerman dramatized that part of his story. Only the whites who think Zimmerman was totally defenseless believes his story.

Blacks and medical personnel know better! Millions of us have seen fights throughout our lives, and we know that to repeatedly bang someone's head ON CONCRETE would cause way more damage to the BACK of a skull than two small wounds that required no stitches and didn't cause ANY fracture. Zimmerman said REPEATEDLY, not falling one time from four feet! You sound ridiculous.

We're flesh and blood, not cartoons! His story might work in Bugs Bunny shows, not in the real world.
Che Reagan Christ

Lodi, OH

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#220
Jul 17, 2013
 
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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errr, no she is not.
Che's post and I quote, "You are wrong. There is a duty to retreat before using deadly force in Ohio".
In your home or vehicle there is NO DUTY TO RETREAT.
The statement made by Che in incorrect
Of course, we were discussing self defense outside of the purview of the Castle Doctrine, but you are too obsessed with me personally to understand that. You would have realized that had you bothered to read Tony's post that I was replying to in which he said that Ohio was a de facto Stand Your Ground State.
Che Reagan Christ

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#221
Jul 17, 2013
 
Conservative wrote:
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Curious as to why you would believe that. There is no evidence or witnesses to anything prior to what the eye-witnesses testified to.
Would you as a defendant want a stream of witnesses for the prosecution testifying to what they THINK might have happened, they don't know but it could have been this way or based on what they heard reported on MSNBC? Would you simply like the evidence presented? What they do know.
Based on the evidence presented at trial, Zimmerman had ample opportunity to avoid the situation.
Che Reagan Christ

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#222
Jul 17, 2013
 
Free Pizza 4 U wrote:
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I apologize, I may have read your post to fast.
My point was re Che's post where she claimed that "There is a duty to retreat before using deadly force in Ohio"
I was merely pointing out that there are scenarios in Ohio law where you have no duty to retreat.
ie, in your home or vehicle.
That's cute.
Che Reagan Christ

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#223
Jul 17, 2013
 
TonyD2 wrote:
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The 2008 legislation didn't change any rights, it only switched the burden of proof from the defense to the prosecution in those cases.
And I was mistaken about the burden of proof being unusual in Florida. It seems that it's unusual in Ohio, as I've recently discovered that Ohio is the only state that doesn't require the prosecution to disprove a claim of self defense (outside of home (or substitute for home... tent, hotel room, etc.) and car).
Dude, you are getting bad information. The Castle Doctrine legislation in 2008 removed the common law duty to retreat from vehicles, and it created a rebuttable presumption that if the situation occurred in the defendant's home or car that his use of deadly force was reasonable. Before that, self defense in a home or car was an affirmative defense which required the defendant to prove the elements of the defense by a preponderance of the evidence.

I don't know how the other 49 states handle self defense. However, I would be surprised if Ohio was the only one that placed the burden of proof on the defendant.
Che Reagan Christ

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#224
Jul 17, 2013
 
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It would seem to a reasonable person that such an important concept would be codified into the law. Just seeking documentation.
There is a ton of case law on the subject.
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Jul 17, 2013
 

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whyisthat wrote:
This is terrible. Everyone knows that racist punk should be thrown under the jail!
Don't you realize that your statement is racist? How can you spout such foolishness with out knowing the details. Were you there? Did you know Zimmerman?

You may be black or you may not. If you are I pose this to you:

Get angry about poor education. Get angry with gangsta rap and what it is doing to young black kids. Get equally angry when a rapper uses the N word as you would if you heard it from a "cracker." Get angry at the plight of millions of black kids who were sired by a black man and abandoned. Get angry at the senseless inner-city violence. Get angry at gangs. Get angry with the media which spun this tragedy into a race baiting situation. Get angry with so called black leaders like Al Sharpton who whips up racial hatred. Get angry with so called black leaders like Jessie Jackson who produce "love children" instead of being role models which value responsibility and family life.
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#226
Jul 17, 2013
 
TonyD2 wrote:
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Where is it "documented" in such a way that the average citizen would know about it? I suspect that if it was, you'd have replied with the supporting information.
The Ohio Supreme Court has been reporting its own decisions and the decisions of the 12 Ohio Courts of Appeals for 200 years. For the average citizen who doesn't want to pay an attorney for a reliable answer, I would suggest going to an internet search engine and starting with "Ohio self defense law" and see where it takes you. The problem with that is that it is very difficult for someone to accurately explain a complicated area of the law in a short amount of space and they tend to generalize a great deal. In order to get a complete picture, one would have to read many sites.

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