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Duke for Mayor

United States

#103 Dec 25, 2012
Seriouslady wrote:
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What am I defense or prosecutor?
And this isn't fair because I am not a lawyer. I just know a lot of lawyers and work with them and play one on TV.
Makes no difference. From either side, you need to know the law,

To know the law, you need to know where to look. Here's a couple of hints:

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/LegalResources/...

http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/ROD/docs/

woof
Duke for Mayor

United States

#104 Dec 25, 2012
Wait what wrote:
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By the way, if you're really a lawyer you would know that deals and steals are made all the time and don't exactly make those chain e-mails and right wing media dolts programs - none of whom I listen to.
You don't know what you're talking about. The "deal" you're referring to is between Mrs. Obama and the ARDC of the Supreme Court of Illinois, and involves filling out a form, signing it, and paying a fee.

woof
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#105 Dec 25, 2012
The GOP is what's wrong in politics today.

Mitch and Boehner in Dreamland
Tuesday, November 20, 2012 | Posted by Jim Hightower

LISTEN TO THIS COMMENTARY
Let's see – Obama won both the popular vote and the electoral collage tally. Democrats didn't just add to their senate majority, but added such feisty, progressive new senators as Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Baldwin, and Mazie Hirono. Even in the House, Dems won the national vote and gained seven seats. Plus, progressives scored victories coast to coast on ballot initiatives.

Wow – the only conclusion you can draw is that the Republican Party now has a mandate to set the policy agenda for the next four years!

Huh? Astonishingly, that's the conclusion of the GOP's Congressional leaders. I guess we should've expected as much from a party so deeply mired in delusion that its chief political guru, Karl Rove, kept hotly insisting on election night that Mitt Romney had won, even though he'd clearly lost.

Later, it was surreal to hear Republican House leader John Boehner declare: "We'll have as much of a mandate as [Obama] will." Then, going from surreal to insane, the GOP's senate sourpuss, Mitch McConnnell, proclaimed, "Now it's time for the president to propose solutions that actually have a chance of passing the Republican controlled House."

Memo to Mitch and Boehner: America just had a year-long, nationwide debate on whether to keep pampering Wall Street hucksters and tax dodgers, privatize Medicare and Social Security, continue whacking the country's social safety net, maintain fat subsidies for Big Oil, repeal Obamacare, and other aspects of your Koch-headed, tinkle-down, ridiculous policies – and you lost!

Far from accepting such twaddle from these GOP fabulists, it's time for Obama and the Democrats in Congress to go to the people who elected them, mobilizing this great grassroots majority to push passage of a bold progressive agenda of percolate-up economic prosperity.

"Both sides say people gave them a mandate," Austin American Statesman," November 11, 2012.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Cleveland, OH

#106 Dec 25, 2012
WiseAmerican wrote:
The GOP is what's wrong in politics today.
Mitch and Boehner in Dreamland
Tuesday, November 20, 2012 | Posted by Jim Hightower
LISTEN TO THIS COMMENTARY
Let's see – Obama won both the popular vote and the electoral collage tally. Democrats didn't just add to their senate majority, but added such feisty, progressive new senators as Elizabeth Warren, Tammy Baldwin, and Mazie Hirono. Even in the House, Dems won the national vote and gained seven seats. Plus, progressives scored victories coast to coast on ballot initiatives.
Wow – the only conclusion you can draw is that the Republican Party now has a mandate to set the policy agenda for the next four years!
Huh? Astonishingly, that's the conclusion of the GOP's Congressional leaders. I guess we should've expected as much from a party so deeply mired in delusion that its chief political guru, Karl Rove, kept hotly insisting on election night that Mitt Romney had won, even though he'd clearly lost.
Later, it was surreal to hear Republican House leader John Boehner declare: "We'll have as much of a mandate as [Obama] will." Then, going from surreal to insane, the GOP's senate sourpuss, Mitch McConnnell, proclaimed, "Now it's time for the president to propose solutions that actually have a chance of passing the Republican controlled House."
Memo to Mitch and Boehner: America just had a year-long, nationwide debate on whether to keep pampering Wall Street hucksters and tax dodgers, privatize Medicare and Social Security, continue whacking the country's social safety net, maintain fat subsidies for Big Oil, repeal Obamacare, and other aspects of your Koch-headed, tinkle-down, ridiculous policies – and you lost!
Far from accepting such twaddle from these GOP fabulists, it's time for Obama and the Democrats in Congress to go to the people who elected them, mobilizing this great grassroots majority to push passage of a bold progressive agenda of percolate-up economic prosperity.
"Both sides say people gave them a mandate," Austin American Statesman," November 11, 2012.
And the crybaby, loser Republicans are now faced with going along with Obama or being nationally humiliated in both the inaugural address but the next state of the union speech.
igorant uranus

Sidney, OH

#107 Dec 25, 2012
i don't care none

Since: Oct 10

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#108 Dec 25, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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And the crybaby, loser Republicans are now faced with going along with Obama or being nationally humiliated in both the inaugural address but the next state of the union speech.
Interesting comment K...

Do you believe that the representatives elected by Republicans should just "get with the obama program" and forget about what the folks who voted for them sent them to Washington to do?

Possibly we should just do away with that pesky crybaby legislative branch... and if they get in the way the judicial branch as well.....

Since: Oct 10

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#109 Dec 25, 2012
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Makes no difference. From either side, you need to know the law,
To know the law, you need to know where to look. Here's a couple of hints:
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/LegalResources/...
http://www.sconet.state.oh.us/ROD/docs/
woof
I will. But I've have a few too many tall white russians and a happy day. Hope you did too Dukeroni...:-)

Bart Winokur...you'd like him.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#110 Dec 26, 2012
6was9 wrote:
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Interesting comment K...
Do you believe that the representatives elected by Republicans should just "get with the obama program" and forget about what the folks who voted for them sent them to Washington to do?
Possibly we should just do away with that pesky crybaby legislative branch... and if they get in the way the judicial branch as well.....
Are you deliberately playing obtuse? If the population overall wanted Romney's plan implemented, he would have won the election. Not only did he lose, Republicans lost 7 house seats and the Dems added 3, fairly radical Senators, so you have a losing argument.

The game is over, look at the scoreboard and adjust accordingly. To place the nation into default over sore losership is pathetic and is the typical behavior that causes me to despise the right.

When the little Bush got elected, I didn't expect the barely Dem. controlled Senate to try to push through healthcare reform.

It seems to me that you're wanting to repeat the same thing but are expecting a different result.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#111 Dec 26, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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Are you deliberately playing obtuse? If the population overall wanted Romney's plan implemented, he would have won the election. Not only did he lose, Republicans lost 7 house seats and the Dems added 3, fairly radical Senators, so you have a losing argument.
The game is over, look at the scoreboard and adjust accordingly. To place the nation into default over sore losership is pathetic and is the typical behavior that causes me to despise the right.
The only way we'll be in "default" is if we don't pay on the debt or don't pay Social Security benefits. There's enough discretionary spending that can be cut (including laying off some government workers if necessary) that we don't have to do that. True, some people wont be happy about those cuts, but the government doesn't exist to guarantee everyone's happiness. The debt must be paid off if future generations are to have any hope at a reasonably happy life. It must be top priority. Those future generations had nothing to do with creating this debt.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#112 Dec 26, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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The only way we'll be in "default" is if we don't pay on the debt or don't pay Social Security benefits. There's enough discretionary spending that can be cut (including laying off some government workers if necessary) that we don't have to do that. True, some people wont be happy about those cuts, but the government doesn't exist to guarantee everyone's happiness. The debt must be paid off if future generations are to have any hope at a reasonably happy life. It must be top priority. Those future generations had nothing to do with creating this debt.
I have no qualms with paying down the debt. It's the idiocy that it can only be achieved through revenue and spending decreases that I have trouble with.

No matter what the right wing talkers say, George W. Bush created both a revenue and a spending problem all on his own.

Revenue needs raised and spending needs decreased, anyone who can't conceive of that is most likely in a medically vegetative state.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#113 Dec 26, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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I have no qualms with paying down the debt. It's the idiocy that it can only be achieved through revenue and spending decreases that I have trouble with.
No matter what the right wing talkers say, George W. Bush created both a revenue and a spending problem all on his own.
Revenue needs raised and spending needs decreased, anyone who can't conceive of that is most likely in a medically vegetative state.
Revenue must be increased, I agree. I don't, however, think that raising rates is the best way to do it. Raising rates means less left to do all those other revenue-creating things.... like buying or building things and hiring people (or to invest it with others who will).

I would like to see an item for some percentage of revenue be earmarked for paying on the principal (separate from interest payments).

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#114 Dec 27, 2012
TonyD2 wrote:
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Revenue must be increased, I agree. I don't, however, think that raising rates is the best way to do it. Raising rates means less left to do all those other revenue-creating things.... like buying or building things and hiring people (or to invest it with others who will).
I would like to see an item for some percentage of revenue be earmarked for paying on the principal (separate from interest payments).
You'll never find a post of mine stating taxes need raised (although I feel a portion of the 47% who pay no federal income tax should get some skin in the game) rather we need to eliminate all the loopholes and collect the actual percentage due. From there the rates could most likely be lowered.

We've gone round and round in the past over taxation systems. I'm all for one that collects every penny that is actually due with no exceptions. I favor one system, you favor another but they both achieve the same goal.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#115 Dec 27, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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You'll never find a post of mine stating taxes need raised (although I feel a portion of the 47% who pay no federal income tax should get some skin in the game) rather we need to eliminate all the loopholes and collect the actual percentage due. From there the rates could most likely be lowered.
We've gone round and round in the past over taxation systems. I'm all for one that collects every penny that is actually due with no exceptions. I favor one system, you favor another but they both achieve the same goal.
Even if the 47% has to pay some percentage into income taxes they have to have skin in the game.
WiseAmerican

Columbus, OH

#116 Dec 27, 2012
Spookishere F trollsi wrote:
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Tim's mom should have thought ahead and realized she could not afford a kid before getting bred.
Then you should've either wore a condom or pay child support to your baby mama.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#117 Dec 27, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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Are you deliberately playing obtuse? If the population overall wanted Romney's plan implemented, he would have won the election. Not only did he lose, Republicans lost 7 house seats and the Dems added 3, fairly radical Senators, so you have a losing argument.
The game is over, look at the scoreboard and adjust accordingly. To place the nation into default over sore losership is pathetic and is the typical behavior that causes me to despise the right.
When the little Bush got elected, I didn't expect the barely Dem. controlled Senate to try to push through healthcare reform.
It seems to me that you're wanting to repeat the same thing but are expecting a different result.
Huh?

This is a Republic, the "sore losers" were elected by folks that expect them to hold to their campaign promises........

Where did you come up with the concept that these legislators who were elected to office to "represent" their constituents should "go with the obama flow" K?
That is not the way our system of government was designed......

This is not about Romney, so quit trying to make it about him or Bush or whoever else you disagree with.

It is about our Representative form of government, and I for one am glad that it is working the way it should and obama can NOT steam roll over the minority..........

I for one want anyone (regardless of party) that disagrees with higher taxes, more spending, no debt limit, amnesty, the war on fossil fuels, etc. etc. to do their best to throw a wrench into the obama Chicago machine....

Since: Oct 10

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#118 Dec 27, 2012
6was9 wrote:
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I for one want anyone (regardless of party) that disagrees with higher taxes, more spending, no debt limit, amnesty, the war on fossil fuels, etc. etc. to do their best to throw a wrench into the obama Chicago machine....
Agreed. And there is a whole lot of crazy spending that can be cut before touching entitlements.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#119 Dec 27, 2012
6was9 wrote:
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Huh?
This is a Republic, the "sore losers" were elected by folks that expect them to hold to their campaign promises........
Where did you come up with the concept that these legislators who were elected to office to "represent" their constituents should "go with the obama flow" K?
That is not the way our system of government was designed......
This is not about Romney, so quit trying to make it about him or Bush or whoever else you disagree with.
It is about our Representative form of government, and I for one am glad that it is working the way it should and obama can NOT steam roll over the minority..........
I for one want anyone (regardless of party) that disagrees with higher taxes, more spending, no debt limit, amnesty, the war on fossil fuels, etc. etc. to do their best to throw a wrench into the obama Chicago machine....
BB, I'm going to apply your logic to another scenario and maybe it will then make sense to you.

After the south was defeated in the civil war, there were still southern states that wanted to retain slavery. Being a Representative Republic, according to you, the states that wanted to keep slavery should have been allowed. There were states that still wanted to secede. Losing has consequences and failing to accept that is a form of insanity.

You seem to favor keeping things to each extreme so nothing gets accomplished. Politics and government is about meeting in the middle in the end.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#120 Dec 27, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
You seem to favor keeping things to each extreme so nothing gets accomplished. Politics and government is about meeting in the middle in the end.
Sometimes "nothing gets accomplished" means "nothing gets further broken". The first step to getting out of a hole is usually to stop digging.

Kosmik

Since: Sep 10

Columbus, OH

#121 Dec 27, 2012
6was9 wrote:
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I for one want anyone (regardless of party) that disagrees with higher taxes, more spending, no debt limit, amnesty, the war on fossil fuels, etc. etc. to do their best to throw a wrench into the obama Chicago machine....
And that statement makes you borderline insane.

We've just come through 4 years of throwing every wrench possible against Obama, simply because he's Obama and the nation has suffered for it.

To willingly wish the nation ill just to make a failed political point indicates you have no grasp on the realities of our nation and it's needs.

See BB, I despise Republicans because they don't care about the well being of the entire nation and will cause any amount of suffering just to make their wrongheaded point. It's the old take my ball and go home. We need adults making these decisions and your party doesn't seem to have any in office right now.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#122 Dec 27, 2012
Kosmik wrote:
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BB, I'm going to apply your logic to another scenario and maybe it will then make sense to you.
Sigh....Not my logic at all....maybe yours.........

I said nothing about state rights at all K, my comments are re the federal government .......

Point is, obama was not crowned king, he was elected as the head of the executive branch of our federal government.....

Our representative form of government is adversarial and was designed that way by the founding fathers......

There is a reason for the separation of powers K....

Your slavery example is BS. By your logic, if the Democrats reverted to their (original position by the way) in favor of slavery, apparently you would argue that since they won the election, slavery should be reinstated and that Republicans (who freed the slaves) should get with the program.....

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