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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#21 Sep 12, 2013
How does a pastor afford a Mercedes S 550?
jojo

Columbus, OH

#22 Sep 12, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
How does a pastor afford a Mercedes S 550?
The pastor uses the money given to his church in the form of tithes and offerings. They do the same thing when they go on lavish vacations to places like Hawaii, Greece, and the Caribbean under the pretense of "spreading the gospel".

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#23 Sep 12, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
How does a pastor afford a Mercedes S 550?
Most pastors draw a decent salary/benefits package, as determined by their denomination/congregation. Additionally, their wives may be employed in their chosen professions. Therefore, a pastor's family earning a 6-figure income should surprise no one.

I would be much more skeptical of the stereotypical 'hood mama driving a tricked-out Escalade to the food pantry.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#24 Sep 12, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
How does a pastor afford a Mercedes S 550?
Bought it used?

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#25 Sep 12, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
How does a pastor afford a Mercedes S 550?
Also could have been donated

Since: Jan 12

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#26 Sep 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>
Most pastors draw a decent salary/benefits package, as determined by their denomination/congregation. Additionally, their wives may be employed in their chosen professions. Therefore, a pastor's family earning a 6-figure income should surprise no one.
I would be much more skeptical of the stereotypical 'hood mama driving a tricked-out Escalade to the food pantry.
Not true.

As there are two America's, there are two clergies. The poor clergy, by virtue of general American social economic stigma concerning poverty, become as fixated on money as rich clergy. They may have fallen to unreal expectations and/or racked up a lot of student loan debt to get through seminary. Many churches just don't pay...and are kind of proud of it.

One source of the problem was when so many denominations signed onto the idea that ministry should be a profession like law or medicine...complete with high educational requirements...often a 4 year M.Div. degree following a Bachelors. Perhaps a law student can justify leaving law school with over a hundred grand in debt, but doing the same in church work is laughable.

So. Sure, there are a lot of pastors raking it in. But, there are a lot that are not....and that makes a lot of them crazy...and so, they suck. Back in the day, it was kind of gross when I caught myself thinking maybe someone would slip me $25 for doing their granny's funeral. When you catch your own brain doing that, you realize you suck too.

“animis opibusque parati”

Since: Oct 12

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#27 Sep 12, 2013
Pr Jonah wrote:
<quoted text>
Not true.
As there are two America's, there are two clergies. The poor clergy, by virtue of general American social economic stigma concerning poverty, become as fixated on money as rich clergy. They may have fallen to unreal expectations and/or racked up a lot of student loan debt to get through seminary. Many churches just don't pay...and are kind of proud of it.
One source of the problem was when so many denominations signed onto the idea that ministry should be a profession like law or medicine...complete with high educational requirements...often a 4 year M.Div. degree following a Bachelors. Perhaps a law student can justify leaving law school with over a hundred grand in debt, but doing the same in church work is laughable.
So. Sure, there are a lot of pastors raking it in. But, there are a lot that are not....and that makes a lot of them crazy...and so, they suck. Back in the day, it was kind of gross when I caught myself thinking maybe someone would slip me $25 for doing their granny's funeral. When you catch your own brain doing that, you realize you suck too.
There aren't two Americas. There is one America full of Americans whose lives are formed, for the most part, by their personal choices. Sounds as if you're disenchanted with your choices...and struggle with jealousy, as a result.

Give it to God.
haha

Columbus, OH

#28 Sep 12, 2013
at least this pastor and his son didnt assault some poor guy in the audience.

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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#29 Sep 12, 2013
jojo wrote:
<quoted text>The pastor uses the money given to his church in the form of tithes and offerings. They do the same thing when they go on lavish vacations to places like Hawaii, Greece, and the Caribbean under the pretense of "spreading the gospel".
Maybe hell will have valet parking.

“Bullsh*% Detector Enabled”

Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#30 Sep 12, 2013
-tip- wrote:
<quoted text>Most pastors draw a decent salary/benefits package, as determined by their denomination/congregation. Additionally, their wives may be employed in their chosen professions. Therefore, a pastor's family earning a 6-figure income should surprise no one.

I would be much more skeptical of the stereotypical 'hood mama driving a tricked-out Escalade to the food pantry.
I don't know what a "hood mama" is but you seem to know a few, so I'll move pass that.

A 2014 Benz S550 starts at 96,825. A pastor and his wife should not be in one of these cars, if they are true to the word of The Bible...Gluttony is number 2 on the list of the 7 deadly sins.
Trying to justify it by saying "A six figure income should not surprise anyone" is denial of the words of The Bible. Are not pastors supposed to be walking examples of the Bible they preach from?

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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#31 Sep 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>Bought it used?
Still an $80, 000 car. Gluttony. A cardinal sin.

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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#32 Sep 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>Also could have been donated
What church member is that? Donates 90,000 dollar cars? I'd like to go there.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#33 Sep 12, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
<quoted text>
Still an $80, 000 car. Gluttony. A cardinal sin.
http://www.autotrader.com/find/used-Mercedes_...
They cannot kill a Spook

United States

#34 Sep 12, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
<quoted text>
What church member is that? Donates 90,000 dollar cars? I'd like to go there.
Don't know about.car donations but many have donated via their will property, stocks, etc. I suppose cars cpuld be as well.

“Paper Or Plastic?”

Since: Nov 11

Albakoikee

#35 Sep 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
Screw that. You can buy a modest home for that money.
Enzyte Bob

Reynoldsburg, OH

#36 Sep 12, 2013
I can see both sides of this issue. There are many people who donate tons of money to the church because they support the institution and one way they do this is by supporting their pastor. I have donated thousands of dollars of my time in this pursuit.

People outside the Catholic church may make fun of the pomp and circumstance, but these traditions are what keeps the institution alive from generation to generation as opposed to a non-denominational congregation that folds when their pastor dies.

Then there is the issue of buildings. With a nice building, people take pride in their institution.

As to the poor? Unless it's a member of our parish and I know them, I don't particularly care. And even then, they should have family stepping in before they start begging from others.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#37 Sep 12, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
I can see both sides of this issue. There are many people who donate tons of money to the church because they support the institution and one way they do this is by supporting their pastor. I have donated thousands of dollars of my time in this pursuit.
People outside the Catholic church may make fun of the pomp and circumstance, but these traditions are what keeps the institution alive from generation to generation as opposed to a non-denominational congregation that folds when their pastor dies.
Then there is the issue of buildings. With a nice building, people take pride in their institution.
As to the poor? Unless it's a member of our parish and I know them, I don't particularly care. And even then, they should have family stepping in before they start begging from others.
I am familiar with your position. But, my classmate obviously has some theory that there are different kinds of poverty. When he was poor, even recently, it was his natural right (according to him) to avail himself of the food pantry and other freebies. But now, suddenly, he articulates condemnation of "most" people who use food pantries and such. Something weird is going on here.

But, then I would add another dimension. There are a lot of poor who don't announce themselves as poor for various reasons. For them, it seems to me that since they are not bothering anyone...no one should bother them with trash talk. Another way to say this, is that while you may have a policy of not even trying to attend to their situation (they haven't asked anyway)...even more, no one should go out of their way to make life harder for them by deriding them in public for having a poor-looking car or clothes or house, etc. This is in line with Jesus teaching to not put a "stumbling block" before the "little ones"...in the text, he starts out talking about children (in Greek: paidon) but a few verses later transitions with a pun "little ones" (in Greek: mikron). In the text, he thereafter uses "little ones" (mikron) to refer to people who are marginalized by society. This teaching of Jesus was a variation of standard Jewish teaching based on the Leviticus 19:14 text which prohibits laying a "stumbling block" before the blind. In subsequent centuries Jewish teachers took that text and interpreted it metaphorically to mean a prohibition to cause or tempt anyone who is weak to stumble further. This whole concept of a prohibition of causing or tempting others into a worse situation...perhaps by inciting them to sin out of anger in reaction to insult/further injury...is why the issue of temptation is in Jesus' Lord's Prayer....which was originally written in Aramaic...and not easily translated to Greek and then English. A lot of people think the Lord's Prayer sounds like it's asking God not to cause temptation...but the real meaning of it is a prayer to God to not allow people to be led into temptation by other people...hence an implicit judgment on people who tempt others to stumble.

So. If you keep your own money in your own pocket, fine. But, there's no reason to slam poor people who are not asking for anything. When I taught school, I had a lot of poor kids who just wanted to fade into the woodwork. They should be allowed that...at least.

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Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#38 Sep 12, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
Pastor ain't gonna drive a used Mercedes.

Since: Jan 12

Location hidden

#39 Sep 12, 2013
Speaking of liturgical clergy, I had odd experiences in the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem when I was a young man.

On one occasion, a Syriac priest tried to beat the snot out of me because he caught me going into the entrance of Jewish catacombs accessed from the back of his chapel. It is only because his altar was free-standing in his chapel that I didn't get the crap kicked out of me because he chased me around the altar a couple times before I was able to dart back out the door. There are some advantages to being 18 years old.

On another occasion, I was standing in a long pilgrim line outside the Tomb of Jesus chapel...to go in. All of a sudden this Armenian priest comes out of nowhere and takes me by the arm and hustles me up the line and into the chapel...like I'm somebody important who gets special treatment. I was just utterly dumbfounded. The Greek Orthodox priest sitting in the chapel was pissed...The Greeks and Armenians don't like each other. Anyway, after a few moments of "silent reflection", the Armenian priest grabs my arm again, and out we go. Then he drags me into his nearby Armenian chapel office and just demands that I give him money for the special treatment. So...I gave him some money. And then he said, "more". I gave some more. And, he said "thank you very much".

Being young, I was sort of just shell-shocked. The dude shook me down in the holiest church on the planet.

That sucks.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#40 Sep 12, 2013
Black Rhino wrote:
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Still an $80, 000 car. Gluttony. A cardinal sin.
Three year rental agreement with monthly fees. MANY of the folks driving the high $ autos are leasing them so they can drive an expensive car. Not a sound financial plan, but, to each his own.

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