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So an old classmate calls me all the time.

He bitches about poor people coming to him for help with this or that material need. He says it's a waste of time because it don't bring any money into the church. What he and his buddies do is just refer people to this or that place in the county that really can't help...but, it gets people off the phone or out the door.

I preached him a little sermon. I said: At the very least, any referral you make ought to be a real referral...something that has a realistic chance of helping. He didn't like that.
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Heard an ad on the radio this morning for a church in the SE burbs of Cleveland, using the 911 anniversary in an attempt attract members.

Disgusting.

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Heard an ad on the radio this morning for a church in the SE burbs of Cleveland, using the 911 anniversary in an attempt attract members.
Disgusting.
woof
Yep, that's bad.

My classmate has been for a long time relaying his own economic troubles. His church is steadily declining. About 30 show up on a Good Sunday. They cut his pay and other stuff. He and his wife used the local food pantry.

Well, the Bishop had mercy on him, and got him a new church with a big package. So, now HE's complaining about poor people who go from one food pantry to the next.

I told him: From my experience in working in food pantries, the allotments are not enough. So, people food pantry hop. They have kids to feed.

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Pr Jonah wrote:
So an old classmate calls me all the time.
He bitches about poor people coming to him for help with this or that material need. He says it's a waste of time because it don't bring any money into the church. What he and his buddies do is just refer people to this or that place in the county that really can't help...but, it gets people off the phone or out the door.
I preached him a little sermon. I said: At the very least, any referral you make ought to be a real referral...something that has a realistic chance of helping. He didn't like that.
You may not have experienced it yet, but some people make a career of going to churches for handouts. Your friend may actually have something to gripe about.

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You may not have experienced it yet, but some people make a career of going to churches for handouts. Your friend may actually have something to gripe about.
Well, then I suppose he could be griping about himself. He was going to the food pantry and the free community meal.

The amounts that are handed out cannot comprise a career. For example: a 1 lb meat allotment for a family of 3. I will confess: I have habitually broken the allotment "guidelines" in favor of the recipient. Such a criminal career I have.

But, the greater point is that once this fellow suddenly had his broken wagon fixed by his bishop, then he's all Mitt Romney on his former fellow hand-out brothers and sisters. That sucks.

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Pr Jonah wrote:
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Well, then I suppose he could be griping about himself. He was going to the food pantry and the free community meal.
The amounts that are handed out cannot comprise a career. For example: a 1 lb meat allotment for a family of 3. I will confess: I have habitually broken the allotment "guidelines" in favor of the recipient. Such a criminal career I have.
But, the greater point is that once this fellow suddenly had his broken wagon fixed by his bishop, then he's all Mitt Romney on his former fellow hand-out brothers and sisters. That sucks.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/edwindurgy/2012/0...

Presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney amassed a fortune now worth an estimated $230 million during his career with Bain Capital. He would be wealthier still had he not set aside a trust for his five children in 1995, worth $100 million today. Also making a considerable dent in the former governorís fortune has been his consistent charitable giving.

As a Mormon, Romney is expected pay a tithe, or 10% of his annual income, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. In just the past two years, Romney has given the church $1.525 million and $2.6 million, respectively, according to his tax returns. Romney has also publicly stated on multiple occasions that the entirety of his inheritance from his father, who died in 1995, was donated to the BYU Marriott School of Managementís Institute of Public Management, which now bears his father George W. Romneyís name.

Romney and his wife Ann also maintain a separate charitable foundation, established in 1999, the same year that Romney left Bain Capital to serve as CEO of the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics Organizing Committee. The couple has contributed approximately$13.6 million, including an initial gift of more than $3.6 million, to their Tyler Charitable Foundation, based in Boston, MA, over the past 13 years.

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what_me_worry_ wrote:
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/edwindurgy/2012/0...
Presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney amassed a fortune now worth an estimated $230 million during his career with Bain Capital. He would be wealthier still had he not set aside a trust for his five children in 1995, worth $100 million today. Also making a considerable dent in the former governorís fortune has been his consistent charitable giving.
As a Mormon, Romney is expected pay a tithe, or 10% of his annual income, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. In just the past two years, Romney has given the church $1.525 million and $2.6 million, respectively, according to his tax returns. Romney has also publicly stated on multiple occasions that the entirety of his inheritance from his father, who died in 1995, was donated to the BYU Marriott School of Managementís Institute of Public Management, which now bears his father George W. Romneyís name.
Romney and his wife Ann also maintain a separate charitable foundation, established in 1999, the same year that Romney left Bain Capital to serve as CEO of the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympics Organizing Committee. The couple has contributed approximately$13.6 million, including an initial gift of more than $3.6 million, to their Tyler Charitable Foundation, based in Boston, MA, over the past 13 years.
So, you are a satisfied customer of the Tyler Therapy. It worked for you. I suppose your former partners are not happy with Romney.

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So, you are a satisfied customer of the Tyler Therapy. It worked for you. I suppose your former partners are not happy with Romney.
Not a big fan of Romney but, I thought if you were going to spew bull shyte you at least should know what you were talking about drunk preacher.

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Not a big fan of Romney but, I thought if you were going to spew bull shyte you at least should know what you were talking about drunk preacher.
lol. You're running away from YOUR appreciation of the fine therapeutic work of the Tyler Foundation. You know all about it...cuz you have a reason to know about it. Junior High must have been so difficult for you.

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So, anyway. A special rant I have is the topic of Food Pantries and Pastors.

How come the congregation's old geezers have to unload the truck from the Mid Ohio Food Bank? I say the sumbich pastors ought to unload the damn truck...in the heat and humidity like today.

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lol. You're running away from YOUR appreciation of the fine therapeutic work of the Tyler Foundation. You know all about it...cuz you have a reason to know about it. Junior High must have been so difficult for you.
Weak dodge drunk preacher.

In the future when you wish to make a snarky comment demeaning cheap politicians who don't care about the poor try your buddy Joe Biden.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story...

Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden and his wife gave an average of $369 a year to charity during the past decade, his tax records show.

“Paper Or Plastic?”

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So, you are a satisfied customer of the Tyler Therapy. It worked for you. I suppose your former partners are not happy with Romney.
I understood your 48 percenter reference even if no one else did. Most larger churches have a benevolent fund and help people financially along with their food pantries. I actually know a couple who were asked to not come back to a church after ripping the ministry off a few times.

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what_me_worry_ wrote:
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Weak dodge drunk preacher.
In the future when you wish to make a snarky comment demeaning cheap politicians who don't care about the poor try your buddy Joe Biden.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story...
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden and his wife gave an average of $369 a year to charity
during the past decade, his tax records show.
Very true about Biden. Total oaf. Very true about Romney. In addition, he and his wife contribute generously to cancer research, treatment and hospitals. And they give of themselves through service.

To whom much is given, much is expected.

99% of the country rant about higher taxes for the wealthy. 99% of the country have no idea how much good the wealthy do.

Of course, there are always exceptions, both ways.

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So an old classmate calls me all the time.
He bitches about poor people coming to him for help with this or that material need. He says it's a waste of time because it don't bring any money into the church. What he and his buddies do is just refer people to this or that place in the county that really can't help...but, it gets people off the phone or out the door.
I preached him a little sermon. I said: At the very least, any referral you make ought to be a real referral...something that has a realistic chance of helping. He didn't like that.
He bitches because worshipers don't bring money into the church?

So your old classmate never learned the lesson of the 'fishes and the loaves of bread?' Not too much in believing the Lord will provide either?,

Yeah, you may want to comtemplate that Reverand he has suck in front of his name.

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I understood your 48 percenter reference even if no one else did. Most larger churches have a benevolent fund and help people financially along with their food pantries. I actually know a couple who were asked to not come back to a church after ripping the ministry off a few times.
Hey, Rowdy-doo, lots of 'pop-up' churches across the country also that are not affiliated with any conference and the pastor ends up leaving with the church funds.
I know of one church in the south that the pastor and his assistant had spent over $70,000. of the churches money on themselves and it was not discoverd by the board until months later.
Very sad.
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Weak dodge drunk preacher.
In the future when you wish to make a snarky comment demeaning cheap politicians who don't care about the poor try your buddy Joe Biden.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story...
Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden and his wife gave an average of $369 a year to charity during the past decade, his tax records show.
I join you there. I knew about Joe's bs. Actually, that trait is found in a lot of upper class liberals, especially upper class liberal politicians. It's so bad, it's common knowledge. So, you're not telling anyone anything new. I have no love for those people. I come from the West Side of Columbus.

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He bitches because worshipers don't bring money into the church?
So your old classmate never learned the lesson of the 'fishes and the loaves of bread?' Not too much in believing the Lord will provide either?,
Yeah, you may want to comtemplate that Reverand he has suck in front of his name.
In this case, his bishop provideth. Actually, the Assistant Bishop...who by the way, hates my f'ing guts.
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Heard an ad on the radio this morning for a church in the SE burbs of Cleveland, using the 911 anniversary in an attempt attract members.
Disgusting.
woof
why? Did they invite people to celebrate all the death or pray? Oh how terrible! People comforting one another who are like minded. Kinda like three people who post here constantly.
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So an old classmate calls me all the time.
He bitches about poor people coming to him for help with this or that material need. He says it's a waste of time because it don't bring any money into the church. What he and his buddies do is just refer people to this or that place in the county that really can't help...but, it gets people off the phone or out the door.
I preached him a little sermon. I said: At the very least, any referral you make ought to be a real referral...something that has a realistic chance of helping. He didn't like that.
sounds like two sucky pastors friend. Probably why they can't get anybody with $ to attend their church.
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Well, then I suppose he could be griping about himself. He was going to the food pantry and the free community meal.
The amounts that are handed out cannot comprise a career. For example: a 1 lb meat allotment for a family of 3. I will confess: I have habitually broken the allotment "guidelines" in favor of the recipient. Such a criminal career I have.
But, the greater point is that once this fellow suddenly had his broken wagon fixed by his bishop, then he's all Mitt Romney on his former fellow hand-out brothers and sisters. That sucks.
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