Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#42 Feb 15, 2013
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andre...

Catholic child abuse analysed

The John Jay Institute report on the child abuse scandals in the USA has been published. It will surprise and discomfort all sides

The big report of the independent criminologists of the John Jay institute into child abuse in the American Catholic church has now been published. There is something in it to upset everyone. For a start there are many cases of child abuse and though the report does not go into this there was a great deal of covering up done. But we knew that. What's new in the report is the detailed examination of the causes and of the statistics involved.

The pattern that the investigators have to explain is a steep rise in cases of child abuse though the sixties and seventies, followed by a steady decline but a simultaneous rise in reports of earlier incidents in the late Eighties and early Nineties. That, too, has declined towards the present day.

This is an unusual pattern both of reporting and of offending. For comparison I have extracted from the government's web site the Swedish figures for sex crimes against children under 15 and they show no decline at all since 1991. I'll come back to those later.

The other notorious and unusual thing about the American Catholic cases is that the great majority of them involved boys something like 83%. The secular pattern is entirely different.

... The John Jay Institute helpfully compares the number of reported offences with the number of confirmation candidates, to get a rough figure of reported assaults per 100,000. This will tend to overestimate the frequency, because obviously a priest has access to many more children than just confirmation candidates. But it is a consistent measure by which to compare year with year.

So in 1992, when the worst was over, the rate was 15 incidents of reported abuse per 100,000 confirmations. By 2001 it had dropped to of 5 incidents of abuse per 100,000 confirmations in the Catholic Church. There was a similar drop in American society as a whole but less steep and from a consistently higher rate.

For comparison, the Swedish figures for reported sex crimes against all children under 15 was 142/100,000 children in 1992, and 169/100,000 in 2001.

These figures suggest that during the 1990s a child in Sweden, possibly the most secularised country in Europe, was between 10 and 30 times more likely to be sexually assaulted than an American Catholic was by his priest.... If the US Catholic church is a hotbed of child rape, Sweden is an awful lot worse.(Just to be clear here, I think the idea that Sweden is a dangerous country for children is entirely absurd.)

I picked Sweden for comparison largely because I know my way round the crime statistics there. But the US government figures quoted in the John Jay report show also that Alaska has a rate of reported child abuse that dwarfs Sweden's 788/100,000 in 2001, or 140 times the incidence of reported child abuse in the US Catholic church at the same period. So there is nothing uniquely rotten about the American Catholic church.

...

Which leaves the "Woodstock" hypothesis: that it was all the consequence of rapid social change. The combined impact of the sexual revolution outside the Church, and of the Vatican II reforms inside simply broke down the traditional self-discipline of the priesthood along with much of its traditional authority. This is the hypothesis that the report itself favours. But there is a subtlety with this view: if it were only the morals of the surrounding society which made a difference, then again the incidence of abuse would hardly have gone down. American society is not more sexually puritanical now than it was in 1975. So, the report argues, it was the impact of the sexual revolution on men who had not been trained to withstand it which was the decisive factor.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#43 Feb 15, 2013
REPEAT:

Catholic Church ... in 1992, when the worst was over, the rate was 15 incidents of reported abuse per 100,000 confirmations. By 2001 it had dropped to of 5 incidents of abuse per 100,000 confirmations in the Catholic Church.

Sweden ... Swedish figures for reported sex crimes against all children under 15 was 142/100,000 children in 1992, and 169/100,000 in 2001.

(These figures suggest that during the 1990s a child in Sweden, possibly the most secularised country in Europe, was between 10 and 30 times more likely to be sexually assaulted than an American Catholic was by his priest.)

Alaska ... Alaska has a rate of reported child abuse that dwarfs Sweden's 788/100,000 in 2001, or 140 times the incidence of reported child abuse in the US Catholic church at the same period.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#44 Feb 15, 2013
^^^ Again proving my point about how people get irrational and hysterical over this stuff.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#45 Feb 15, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
REPEAT:
Catholic Church ... in 1992, when the worst was over, the rate was 15 incidents of reported abuse per 100,000 confirmations. By 2001 it had dropped to of 5 incidents of abuse per 100,000 confirmations in the Catholic Church.
Sweden ... Swedish figures for reported sex crimes against all children under 15 was 142/100,000 children in 1992, and 169/100,000 in 2001.
(These figures suggest that during the 1990s a child in Sweden, possibly the most secularised country in Europe, was between 10 and 30 times more likely to be sexually assaulted than an American Catholic was by his priest.)
Alaska ... Alaska has a rate of reported child abuse that dwarfs Sweden's 788/100,000 in 2001, or 140 times the incidence of reported child abuse in the US Catholic church at the same period.
The increase in Sweden, is due to Islamic immigration
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#46 Feb 15, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The increase in Sweden, is due to Islamic immigration
Riiiight. If you knew anything about people from the Middle East, you would know they are no different than most non-Westerners. They worship their kids, and the kids treat their elders with great respect.

Last I checked, there Alaska wasn't a hotbed of Muslim or Catholic migration.

Stop believing everything you hear on Jew loving Faux News.

http://www.iris.org.nz/family.php
Che Reagan Christ

Cuyahoga Falls, OH

#47 Feb 15, 2013
Seriouslady wrote:
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You don't paint an entire group with the same brush.
Unless they are black, Mexican or gay.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#48 Feb 15, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Riiiight. If you knew anything about people from the Middle East, you would know they are no different than most non-Westerners. They worship their kids, and the kids treat their elders with great respect.
Last I checked, there Alaska wasn't a hotbed of Muslim or Catholic migration.
Stop believing everything you hear on Jew loving Faux News.
http://www.iris.org.nz/family.php
I don't watch FNC.

You would know that the highest rates of deviancy are in the Middle East.

http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Besti...

As to Alaska, it has a high "Siberian-American" population

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/rate-of-...
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#49 Feb 15, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't watch FNC.
You would know that the highest rates of deviancy are in the Middle East.
http://www.wikiislam.net/wiki/Islam_and_Besti...
As to Alaska, it has a high "Siberian-American" population
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/29/us/rate-of-...
Just as blacks are Reader's "pets", it appears that you conservatards keep Jewish "pets" (or is it the other way around, with you being their pets?).

Here is a comment from another board from one of your Jewish "pets", a Jew born in Israel:

"Jews are pretty..well out there. Just go to Israel. Porn videos are out in the open in "family oriented" markets. I find it funny that its like that. I'm not fazed by that stuff I guess."
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#50 Feb 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Unless they are black, Mexican or gay.
I think Bob uses three separate brushes.

woof

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#51 Feb 15, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Just as blacks are Reader's "pets", it appears that you conservatards keep Jewish "pets" (or is it the other way around, with you being their pets?).
Here is a comment from another board from one of your Jewish "pets", a Jew born in Israel:
"Jews are pretty..well out there. Just go to Israel. Porn videos are out in the open in "family oriented" markets. I find it funny that its like that. I'm not fazed by that stuff I guess."
Jewish doesn't mean "observant", about slightly less than half of the Jews in Israel, don't actually observe anything except Passover.

But go to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. You will sing the praises of Israel as soon as you see the abuses that go on there.

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#52 Feb 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
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Unless they are black, Mexican or gay.
They do that to themselves by their actions and their insistence on defining themselves by those actions. Act like a special interest group and expect to be painted as one.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#53 Feb 15, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>They do that to themselves by their actions and their insistence on defining themselves by those actions. Act like a special interest group and expect to be painted as one.
Like Christians?

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#54 Feb 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Like Christians?
woof
Christians are far more diverse than any of the groups you mentioned.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

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#55 Feb 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Like Christians?
woof
We get it, you don't like us.

I fight for my people, and that's why I want self-determination, I don't want to be in a country with the victim classes.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#56 Feb 15, 2013
Che Reagan Christ wrote:
<quoted text>
Unless they are black, Mexican or gay.
Blacks are the gypsies of the United States. There is nothing inherently wrong with them, but they have so much cultural and behavioral baggage that they are probably better served by doing what people in other countries do when they are seeking a better life for themselves ... move to another country.

Mexicans? I have no problem with the Spaniards, they are my Catholic brothers and they have better values than most bubbleheaded American Catholic women do. The Aztec types I haven't decided on yet, my opinion of them varies depending on my mood.

Gays? Sexual dyslexics. No two ways about it. I don't hate them, but I don't really like where everybody wants to push people into accepting this behavior as normal. By definition, a behavior engaged in by 2% of the population is anything but normal.

Gay marriage? I am at the point anymore where I don't care what the government does. I have so little respect for the government, its institutions, and the low lifes it has to cater to that as far as I'm concerned they can do their own thing, and I'll do my thing.

... This country is evolving to be just like the communists, where religion is driven from the public square and into the home. But leftists will never succeed in eradicating religion. Remember, Vladimir Putin was privately baptized by his mother. All you lefties do is force people like me to dig in our heels even more.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#57 Feb 15, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
Jewish doesn't mean "observant", about slightly less than half of the Jews in Israel, don't actually observe anything except Passover.
But go to Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan. You will sing the praises of Israel as soon as you see the abuses that go on there.
Watch a TV show or a movie from the 1940's through the 1960's. The Arabs are presented very well. In fact, I saw an "I Dream of Jeannie" episode just the other night where they blinked into Mecca. People were going about their business and the only negative image presented was of the Arab pickpocket stealing from tourists. A reality that wouldn't be presented today thanks to political correctness.

Since the rise of Jewish neocons with Reagan in the 1980's, the Arab world has been presented in almost comic book quality, like the Russians were presented back during the Cold War. The negative TV images followed.

Likewise, the slanted political behavior of the United States has forced them to dig their heels in as well and has radicalized many of them.

I'm not saying they're great. But they're not at all like you people present them. As my brother's Palestinian Muslim friend from medical school (who went to Catholic school, by the way) told me, from his point of view both religions are very, very similar. Coming from an Eastern background like I do, I have always felt this to be the case.
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#58 Feb 15, 2013
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
Blacks are the gypsies of the United States. There is nothing inherently wrong with them, but they have so much cultural and behavioral baggage that they are probably better served by doing what people in other countries do when they are seeking a better life for themselves ... move to another country.
Mexicans? I have no problem with the Spaniards, they are my Catholic brothers and they have better values than most bubbleheaded American Catholic women do. The Aztec types I haven't decided on yet, my opinion of them varies depending on my mood.
Gays? Sexual dyslexics. No two ways about it. I don't hate them, but I don't really like where everybody wants to push people into accepting this behavior as normal. By definition, a behavior engaged in by 2% of the population is anything but normal.
Gay marriage? I am at the point anymore where I don't care what the government does. I have so little respect for the government, its institutions, and the low lifes it has to cater to that as far as I'm concerned they can do their own thing, and I'll do my thing.
... This country is evolving to be just like the communists, where religion is driven from the public square and into the home. But leftists will never succeed in eradicating religion. Remember, Vladimir Putin was privately baptized by his mother. All you lefties do is force people like me to dig in our heels even more.
Like I said...at least three separate brushes.

woof
Duke for Mayor

Akron, OH

#59 Feb 15, 2013
Hugh Victor Thompson III wrote:
<quoted text>Christians are far more diverse than any of the groups you mentioned.
Yeah you're right. There's a bunch of em, all with their own little fiefdoms. And like Karl says...you Catholics oughtta stop acting like victims. You're embarrassing yourselves Paco.

Lets' see 1973...forty years...52 weeks a year, lots o democrats on the east coast....man, that's a shitload of money in the basket.

woof

“Larchmont's Leading Citizen”

Since: Dec 12

Hilliard, OH

#60 Feb 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
<quoted text>
Yeah you're right. There's a bunch of em, all with their own little fiefdoms. And like Karl says...you Catholics oughtta stop acting like victims. You're embarrassing yourselves Paco.
Lets' see 1973...forty years...52 weeks a year, lots o democrats on the east coast....man, that's a shitload of money in the basket.
woof
We're happy to take it from them, too.
Enzyte Bob

Blacklick, OH

#61 Feb 15, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Like I said...at least three separate brushes.
woof
I'm at least 50.1% okay with the Mexicans. Haven't decided if I'm willing to go any further with that.

Gays - if the freaks want a license, issued by other freaks who work for the government like you, then let them have it. That isn't going to make me consider them to be any less the defectives that they are.

Blacks - too far gone to be salvaged. They should move and reboot their lives elsewhere.

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