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[The last days end times]

ABOMINATION wrote:

We are living in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. Those who choose to be degenerates and go against God's Word will have all of eternity to pay for it.
Read your Bibles, Old and New Testament, folks. Homosexuality is an abomination and such a nasty choice. Repulsive.

I agree.

This is a sign of doom for a nation (remember Sodom and Gomorrha)?

[Uve]

Brimstone wrote:

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Aids kills and hell is forever.

Mommy tell you that?

[6was9]

ABOMINATION wrote:

Homosexuality is an abomination and such a nasty choice. Repulsive.

LMAO...You folks kill me.

Given the repercussions, almost all negative as far as society, family etc. etc. that many gay folks endure, I highly doubt that being gay is a "choice".

As a heterosexual male I can not even imagine why someone would choose to be gay......

I do have to wonder frankly, about the orientation of anyone that could believe that being gay is a "choice".........

Frankly again, I believe there are a lot of other things going on right now that folks should be worried about.......

The worst thing that is likely to happen to you is having some gay folks move into your neighborhood and drive the property values up.....LOL

[Enzyte Bob]

6was9 wrote:

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LMAO...You folks kill me.
Given the repercussions, almost all negative as far as society, family etc. etc. that many gay folks endure, I highly doubt that being gay is a "choice".
As a heterosexual male I can not even imagine why someone would choose to be gay......
I do have to wonder frankly, about the orientation of anyone that could believe that being gay is a "choice".........
Frankly again, I believe there are a lot of other things going on right now that folks should be worried about.......
The worst thing that is likely to happen to you is having some gay folks move into your neighborhood and drive the property values up.....LOL

Mixed feelings on this subject ... on the one hand, you are correct. If you were born that way, there is no reason you shouldn't be at peace with how God made you.

On the other hand, there are simply too many people too stupid and with no standards these days. They will bed down with everything and anything. Encouraging people to experiment or to do these things and that they are the equivalent of being in a heterosexual relationship is simply insane. It is not good for people too dumb to have standards and it is one of the reasons we are in such a crappy place as a civilization today.

This is a lot like the gun issue. If you have the proper training and expertise, I have no problem with people carrying guns. But all these dumbasses like Zimmerman who don't know what they're doing should not be egged on by all the gun nuts.

Likewise with homosexuality ... accept it as a fact of life, but encouraging people to do something that was a taboo subject before all the sex books in the 1970's came out is simply insane.

[okay]

Have read the Bible wrote:

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OK, here you go:
“Lamech [Noah’s father] married two women, one named Adah, the other Zillah.”(Genesis 4)
“Sarai brought her slave-girl, Hagar the Egyptian, to her husband and gave her to Abram as a a wife.”(Genesis 16)
“When [Rachel] gave [her husband Jacob] her slave-girl Bilhah as a wife, Jacob lay with her, and she conceived and bore him a son.”(Genesis 30)
“Esau took Canaanite women in marriage: Adah daughter of Elon the Hittite and Oholibamah daughter of Anah son of Zibeon the Horite, and Basemath, Ishmael’s daughter, sister of Nebaioth.”(Genesis 26)
“When a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved, if they both bear him sons, and the son of the unloved wife is the elder, then, when the day comes for him to divide his property among his sons, he must not treat the sons of the loved wife as his firstborn in preference to his true firstborn, the son of the unloved wife.”(Deuteronomy 21)
“If, on the other hand, the accusation [by a newlywed man that his bride is not a virgin] turns out to be true…then they must bring her out to the door of her father’s house and the men of her town will stone her to death.”(Deuteronomy 22)
“When a virgin is pledged in marriage to a man, and another man encounters her in the town and lies with her, bring both of them out to the gate of that town and stone them to death; the girl because, although she was in the town, she did not cry out for help, and the man because he violated another man’s wife: you must rid yourself of this wickedness.”(Deuteronomy 22)
“When brothers live together and one of them dies without leaving a son, his widow is not to marry outside the family. Her husband’s brother is to have intercourse with her; he should take her in marriage and do his duty by her as her husband’s brother.”(Deuteronomy 25)
“David’s two wives, Ahinoam of Jezreel and Abigail widow of Nabal of Carmel, were among the captives.”(1 Samuel 30)
“Sons were born to David at Hebron. His eldest was Amnon, whose mother was Ahinoam from Jezreel; his second Cileab, whose mother was Abigail widow of Nabal from Carmel; the third Absalom, whose mother was Maacah daughter of Talmai king of Geshur; the fourth Adonihah, whose mother was Haggith; the fifth Shephatiah, whose mother was Abital; and the sixth Ithream, whose mother was David’s wife Eglah.”(2 Samuel 3)

“Sarai brought her slave-girl, Hagar the Egyptian, to her husband and gave her to Abram as a a wife.”(Genesis 16)God told Sarai to wait-that she would conceive and have a son-she laughed and did'nt believe God,Abraham must not have believed it either.The war between hagar's son and Sara's son has been going for how long?

The bible also says'Thou shalt not judge'because in doing so you condemn yourself.

[Enzyte Bob]

The last days end times wrote:

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I agree.
This is a sign of doom for a nation (remember Sodom and Gomorrha)?

The way 40% of society lives, we aren't too far off. I was talking to a lawyer friend of mine from small-town Ohio who was divorced and decided to try her luck on some dating sites. She was completely aghast at some of the messages she was getting ... I was peppering the conversations with the stories of some lawyers I know, and clients. We live in a different world these days.

[okay]

We will be judged by how WE live our lives as individuals,not how our neighbor lives his life.We live in this world but we don't have to partake of it.

[Enzyte Bob]

okay wrote:

We will be judged by how WE live our lives as individuals,not how our neighbor lives his life.We live in this world but we don't have to partake of it.

Theoretically, that's true. But I go back to my European immigrant community where you practically ALWAYS have married parents listed on a wedding invitation, verus the American parents which are virtually always divorced.

One good way of referring to religion and traditional Christianity I heard recently. They were referred to as guardrails. Think of driving on one of those Colorado mountain roads without them. That's what's happened to society.

When 40% of society leads a hedonistic lifestyle, it reverberates in all sorts of ways from the nations finances, to psychiatric problems, to impoverishment of your heirs who don't get the inheritance they traditionally would have gotten from their parents. Not to mention the fact that my kids have to sort through a lot of trash these days to find someone with similar values as a potential mate.

Nancy Reagan said "Just Say No" to drugs. I never had a problem with that, and it is generally a good way to live. And I don't see what the problem is with using that philosophy when it comes to other potentially destructive ways of living.

[okay]

If we strive towards living the 10 commandments our lives would be much better.It's not 1,000,000 commandments only 10.We can't control the 40% that lives a hedonistic lifestyle only our own.We may have to live like monks...I personally appreciate silence.

[Enzyte Bob]

okay wrote:

If we strive towards living the 10 commandments our lives would be much better.It's not 1,000,000 commandments only 10.We can't control the 40% that lives a hedonistic lifestyle only our own.We may have to live like monks...I personally appreciate silence.

Don't agree.

As mentioned before on this board, one of the gems of wisdom I learned from Catholic Radio is the notion of the Bible being a gift. The bible is a gift because someone took the time to figure an instruction manual for life, if you will. Think about what would happen if there were no Bible and you had to figure it out from scratch on your own?

The Bible is correct on so many different levels, both morally and scientifically too complex to get into on this board. But I'm a big picture guy ... If you follow what the Bible says, there is a greater chance you will lead a happy life and will prosper.

The 40% of the people out there who don't know this and don't even have a clue creates a problem for all.

This has nothing to do with religion as I am not a very religious man. This has to do with educating people so they understand cause and effect.

Divorce = poor
bastard babies = poor
drugs = poor
drink too much = poor
can't delay gratification = poor
social dysfunction = poor
don't honor your wife and your parents = poor

That's the bottom line.

As to homosexuality, the Bible also pretty plainly states that you shouldn't do that. No way around that whatsoever. To tie it back to my blurb from Catholic Radio, if you listen to the Bible you will more likely lead a happier and more prosperous life.

Given how miserable most homosexuals are, is the Bible really that far off?

[okay]

The Bible is real no question about that.We are in control of our own lives we will be judged by how WE live our own lives.The bible states that homosexuality is wrong(Leviticus).I won't be judged by what they do only what I do.The 40% that leads a hedonistic lifestyle will have to figure out on their own how they want to live their lives-I'm only in control of my own.In the Garden of Eden we were given the knowledge of good and evil,so it's up to each one of us how we live our lives.That's it plain and simple.

[Pattysboi]

fr the last days:

>...This is a sign of doom for a nation (remember Sodom and Gomorrha)?<

Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of inhospitality to strangers, NOT homosexuality.

[Enzyte Bob]

Pattysboi wrote:

fr the last days:
>...This is a sign of doom for a nation (remember Sodom and Gomorrha)?<
Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of inhospitality to strangers, NOT homosexuality.

So says which lefty rewrite of the Bible? The Bob Guccionne version, or the one penned by Larry Flynt?

[Enzyte Bob]

okay wrote:

The Bible is real no question about that.We are in control of our own lives we will be judged by how WE live our own lives.The bible states that homosexuality is wrong(Leviticus).I won't be judged by what they do only what I do.The 40% that leads a hedonistic lifestyle will have to figure out on their own how they want to live their lives-I'm only in control of my own.In the Garden of Eden we were given the knowledge of good and evil,so it's up to each one of us how we live our lives.That's it plain and simple.

I don't disagree except for the fact that so many people are NOT raised this way and don't lead the lifestyle. Aren't you doing your job being your brother's keeper by helping to educate them? This stuff comes natural to me because of the environment I was raised, what priorities we were taught. The most shocking thing about being in the real world was the number of people who don't have a clue ... they think life is just one big drug and sex party.

[Quest]

Enzyte Bob wrote:

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Likewise with homosexuality ... accept it as a fact of life, but encouraging people to do something that was a taboo subject before all the sex books in the 1970's came out is simply insane.

It's not possible to "encourage" ANYONE to be gay or straight. You are what you are. If you believe that you might find yourself attracted to the same gender with a bit of encouragement, you are not heterosexual. By definition, you would be either Bi or Gay.

We can only encourage people to behave in responsible, ethical, and productive ways.

And those ways are no different for anyone, regardless of sexual orientation.

And, really, just because gay folks have finally been able to lead authentic lives, doesn't mean that there were just as many of us throughout history. The only difference is that the majority of us "passed".

And I doubt you would find it healthy to be married to a closet case, would you?

[Quest]

okay wrote:

The Bible is real no question about that.We are in control of our own lives we will be judged by how WE live our own lives.The bible states that homosexuality is wrong(Leviticus)....

Will you be honest and tell us if YOU live by the Holiness Code for ancient Hebrews? Do you follow EVERY law and apply the entire Book to your life?

Can you tell us how many Christians today do as well?

Or are you only picking out obscure verses to apply to others, when YOU do not follow any of the other guidelines in Leviticus yourself.

Are you going to be honest?

[okay]

Enzyte Bob wrote:

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I don't disagree except for the fact that so many people are NOT raised this way and don't lead the lifestyle. Aren't you doing your job being your brother's keeper by helping to educate them? This stuff comes natural to me because of the environment I was raised, what priorities we were taught. The most shocking thing about being in the real world was the number of people who don't have a clue ... they think life is just one big drug and sex party.

educating them or anyone is striving to live a righteous life...they will notice it.It's not about putting someone down to raise yourself up.

[Enzyte Bob]

Quest wrote:

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It's not possible to "encourage" ANYONE to be gay or straight. You are what you are. If you believe that you might find yourself attracted to the same gender with a bit of encouragement, you are not heterosexual.

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And I doubt you would find it healthy to be married to a closet case, would you?

I don't have all the answers, but I deal with enough people to know that homosexuals are generally among the most miserable group of people in society. I think it goes back to what I said before ... that the Bible isn't best interpreted as a punitive set of rules to keep you from doing things ... it is best interpreted as an instruction manual to life. If you do the things it says, generally speaking your life turns out better than if you don;t.

As to closet cases ... I wouldn't want to be stuck with one, but it seems to work for Travolta.

[okay]

Quest wrote:

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Will you be honest and tell us if YOU live by the Holiness Code for ancient Hebrews? Do you follow EVERY law and apply the entire Book to your life?
Can you tell us how many Christians today do as well?
Or are you only picking out obscure verses to apply to others, when YOU do not follow any of the other guidelines in Leviticus yourself.
Are you going to be honest?

I try to live the best life that I can.In this world it is hard,but I try.

[Enzyte Bob]

As much as I laughed at the whole concept at first, many of you people would be well-served by listening to EWTN - Catholic Radio. I myself am surprised how much you can learn from some of their programs. It really gives you a different perspective than most of the holy roller religious programming you see and hear in the media.