Obama dares Ohio State graduates 'to be better'

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President Obama told graduates Sunday that "the institutions that give structure to our society have at times betrayed your trust" but called on young people to take a more active role in the political process as part of the solution.

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Columbus, OH

#730 May 10, 2013
Why not get real wrote:
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Temporary tax tricks are not just on the left, but I also don't believe Bush was a true small government conservative.
But I think you can see what I mean.
You ever think about coming over to the "Dark Side"? Conservatism isn't really all that bad.
What hold ups do you have about conservatism? I know this is off topic but you seem like you are intelligent, why liberalism?
tax and accounting tricks by the government are normal today no matter who sits in the oval office.

it is illegal for a citizen to do what the government does reporting money.

they jail you, but do it themselves and say......what does it matter.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#731 May 10, 2013
Why not get real wrote:
<quoted text>
Temporary tax tricks are not just on the left, but I also don't believe Bush was a true small government conservative.
But I think you can see what I mean.
You ever think about coming over to the "Dark Side"? Conservatism isn't really all that bad.
What hold ups do you have about conservatism? I know this is off topic but you seem like you are intelligent, why liberalism?
No, I've never considered being conservative. I would have voted for McCain had I not felt strongly about Obama, but that was about as far as I'd ever go when it comes to voting republican.

I'm a liberal because it falls in line with my set of beliefs. I believe in helping others and not judging. I'm passionate about recycling, community, raising awareness, conservation, civil rights for all and making sure everyone has a fair shot. I have many friends and family members who are conservative, so it's not like I judge everyone based on their political beliefs, but look at some of the people who represent the conservative party - Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. These three people are some of the most vile, heartless people I've ever come across. They're just mean and hateful and filled with spite. That's not me. I guess I also believe in choices and freedom.

I will say that it amuses me to see the hypocrisy on both sides. I by no means think democrats are perfect, but both sides gripe about the government interfering with personal freedom, but both sides are endorse a certain amount of government interference when it comes to their own issues. Republicans are against gay marriage, abortion, and such. I would qualify that as government interference. I also notice that there is a lot of misinformation among conservatives, at least where I'm from. I rarely put an opinion or thought out there before thoroughly researching it. Again, not to say ignorance and blind devotion doesn't exist within the liberal party, but *from my personal experience* it is more rampant with conservatives.

Just my two cents, I guess...

“Alius bardus latin laudo”

Since: Nov 08

Williston, ND

#734 May 11, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I've never considered being conservative. I would have voted for McCain had I not felt strongly about Obama, but that was about as far as I'd ever go when it comes to voting republican.
I'm a liberal because it falls in line with my set of beliefs. I believe in helping others and not judging. I'm passionate about recycling, community, raising awareness, conservation, civil rights for all and making sure everyone has a fair shot. I have many friends and family members who are conservative, so it's not like I judge everyone based on their political beliefs, but look at some of the people who represent the conservative party - Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh. These three people are some of the most vile, heartless people I've ever come across. They're just mean and hateful and filled with spite. That's not me. I guess I also believe in choices and freedom.
I will say that it amuses me to see the hypocrisy on both sides. I by no means think democrats are perfect, but both sides gripe about the government interfering with personal freedom, but both sides are endorse a certain amount of government interference when it comes to their own issues. Republicans are against gay marriage, abortion, and such. I would qualify that as government interference. I also notice that there is a lot of misinformation among conservatives, at least where I'm from. I rarely put an opinion or thought out there before thoroughly researching it. Again, not to say ignorance and blind devotion doesn't exist within the liberal party, but *from my personal experience* it is more rampant with conservatives.
Just my two cents, I guess...
I hope you don't mind discussing this a bit more. I know it is off topic, but it seems most conversations degrade to insults here, seems one or two could evolve to rational discussions.

As far as recycling, community, raising awareness, conservation and civil rights for all, I find no disagreement. My wife is a recycling fanatic. I believe community is where charity and help for other comes from, a strong community is essential. As far as civil rights, true conservatives fought against progressives to enact civil rights.

My point of view is that if the government is strong enough to "give" rights, it is strong enough to take them away.

Take for example gay marriage. Who gave any government any power to define ANY type of marriage? Why are we looking to the government to "give" people the right to get married?

If a government is strong enough to decide whether the most personal relationship in our life is acceptable or not, haven't we given that government too much power?

A small government wouldn't have the power to tell anyone if a relationship is "OK" or not.

I see the main difference between the liberal and conservative mindset is the origin of our rights. Liberals seem (no offence) to see our rights originating from a government. I see our rights as inherent as an extension of our life, not given by anyone, unable to be removed by anyone.

Big government progressives are both Republican and Democrat.

I don't believe our rights can be given or taken by a government. I will always fight against ANY government that tries to take up the role as giver and taker of my rights.

As offensive as you find Republican "idols" I am sure you can think of just as many offensive Democrat "idols" as well.

What is your view of our origin of rights, and what do you mean by "fair chance".

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#735 May 11, 2013
Honestly, no I can't. I can't think of any liberal public commentator that has made comments that are equally as ugly as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. How they've gone after the 9/11 spouses, the Sandy Hook parents...they're just soulless people in my eyes.

Government exists. And since it exists, we have to deal with it. It's never going to be small government. We've evolved much too much as a country for it ever to be that way again. When it comes to gay marriage, whether we think the government can or cannot give those rights is moot. The federal government has never defined marriage, but when it comes to acknowledging marriage, it only acknowledges those marriages that are between a man and a woman. That is slowly changing, thank goodness. These people deserve the same benefits that straight marriages receive. Until the federal government and all state governments offer that, they are not equal.

Republicans of today and republicans of yesteryear are not the same party. Case in point, the newest NRA guy who calls the Civil War the war of northern aggression. Had he lived during the Civil War, I would hardly have called him a progressive or a liberal. The political polarization that exists today wasn't as prevalent even 40 or 50 years ago. The division and extremes between the two parties is now quite significant. There's also the issue of southern dems or dixiecrats as they were called back in the day. I think they would hardly be called liberals today either.

I'm not saying conservatives aren't capable of taking on the same interests as many liberal-minded people, but legislatively, they seem to oppose it. Whereas you see it as government interference, I see legislation that limits a company's ability to release pollutants to be a positive. I think our country should start making the shift toward clean energy, whereas this "leftist" agenda is often seen as an attack on coal.

Whereas conservatives believe it is up to the community to decide whether charity is provided to help others, I don't see it as a reliable source of help or even sufficient. I look at other countries whose citizens are virtually abandoned by the government and I see extreme poverty, high death rates, rampant disease that could be preventable and a myriad of other issues. One could argue that offering any help at all creates a system of dependency. There are obviously those who take advantage of the system and I don't agree with that at all. But I don't think you should deny those who really need assistance just because there are some who abuse the benefits. I say make it tougher for the system to be abused.

There's the issue of religion. Many conservatives cling to this notion that this is a theocracy or a Christian nation. While I acknowledge the majority of Americans practice Christianity, we are not a theocracy. One religion should not be exalted above any other. I personally don't care if a kid wants to pray in school, but if you give those rights to those kids, you have to give the rights to other kids to carry out their religious practices even if those differ from your own. Some conservatives don't want evolution taught in school. If someone doesn't want their child exposed to certain subjects, home school them or send them to a religious school.

Our rights are protected by the government. Whether or not we believe they can be given by the government is irrelevant in my opinion. Whether or not we've given our government too much power is irrelevant. These are the times we live in and we need a certain amount of government structure. Both political parties think to some degree it is okay for the government to legislate rights. It just varies as to what those rights are.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#736 May 11, 2013
Why not get real wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope you don't mind discussing this a bit more. I know it is off topic, but it seems most conversations degrade to insults here, seems one or two could evolve to rational discussions.
As far as recycling, community, raising awareness, conservation and civil rights for all, I find no disagreement. My wife is a recycling fanatic. I believe community is where charity and help for other comes from, a strong community is essential. As far as civil rights, true conservatives fought against progressives to enact civil rights.
My point of view is that if the government is strong enough to "give" rights, it is strong enough to take them away.
Take for example gay marriage. Who gave any government any power to define ANY type of marriage? Why are we looking to the government to "give" people the right to get married?
If a government is strong enough to decide whether the most personal relationship in our life is acceptable or not, haven't we given that government too much power?
A small government wouldn't have the power to tell anyone if a relationship is "OK" or not.
I see the main difference between the liberal and conservative mindset is the origin of our rights. Liberals seem (no offence) to see our rights originating from a government. I see our rights as inherent as an extension of our life, not given by anyone, unable to be removed by anyone.
Big government progressives are both Republican and Democrat.
I don't believe our rights can be given or taken by a government. I will always fight against ANY government that tries to take up the role as giver and taker of my rights.
As offensive as you find Republican "idols" I am sure you can think of just as many offensive Democrat "idols" as well.
What is your view of our origin of rights, and what do you mean by "fair chance".
And p.s. no, I don't mind having an actual civil discussion that actually involves thought. That's ultimately why I get on these threads, but as you said, all too often it results in sophomoric chiding and petulant behavior from people (on both sides) who have nothing more to offer than puerile insults. So, by all means...
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#737 May 11, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
Honestly, no I can't. I can't think of any liberal public commentator that has made comments that are equally as ugly as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. How they've gone after the 9/11 spouses, the Sandy Hook parents...they're just soulless people in my eyes.
There's your first mistake. They are media personalities who are very rich because of their controversy. Nothing more, nothing less.
Wait what

Dublin, OH

#738 May 11, 2013
PS - Someone in radio taught me that a long time ago. Controversy = money.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#739 May 11, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
Honestly, no I can't. I can't think of any liberal public commentator that has made comments that are equally as ugly as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. How they've gone after the 9/11 spouses, the Sandy Hook parents...they're just soulless people in my eyes.
Hmmm...

As to those in the World Trade Center…Let’s get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break.…If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I’d really be interested in hearing about it.— Ward Churchill

Over time, however, the endless war in Iraq began to play a role in natural selection. Only idiots signed up; only idiots died. Back home, the average I.Q. soared.— Ted Rall

I want to go up to the closest white person and say:‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health — New York city councilman Charles Barron

It’s good (Michelle Malkin’s) in D.C. and I’m in New York. I’d spit on her if I saw her.— Geraldo Rivera

The Pentagon as a legitimate target? I actually don’t have an opinion on that and it’s important I not have an opinion on that as I sit here in my capacity right now.— David Westin, ABC News President

“Do you not understand that the people you hold up as heroes bombed your goddamn country? Do you not understand that Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly are as complicit of the September 11, 2001 terror attack as any one of the dumbass 15 who came from Saudi Arabia?”(Mike Malloy)

“[Representative Michele Bachmann is] a hatemonger. She’s the type of person that would have gladly rounded up the Jews in Germany and shipped them off to death camps....This is an evil bitch from Hell.”(Mike Malloy)

“Cheney, by the way, looks very ruddy. I couldn’t get over that. Like, he must have feasted on a Jewish baby, or a Muslim baby. He must have sent his people out to get one and bring it back so he could drink its blood.”(Mike Malloy)

“He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion. Dick Cheney is an enemy of the country....Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you? See, I don’t even wish the guy goes to Hell, I just want to get him the hell out of here.”(Ed Schultz)

“So, Michele, slit your wrist! Go ahead! I mean, you know, why not? I mean, if you want to — or, you know, do us all a better thing. Move that knife up about two feet. I mean, start right at the collarbone.”(Montel Williams)

“Sarah Palin went to a Yankees game yesterday. There was one awkward moment during the seventh-inning stretch: her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”(David Letterman referring to 14 year old Bristol)

I have a good news to report; Glen Beck appears closer to suicide – I’m hoping that he does it on camera; suicide is rampant in his family, and given his alcoholism and his tendencies towards self-destruction, I am only hoping that when Glen Beck does put a gun to his head and pulls the trigger, that it will be on television, because somebody will capture it on YouTube and it will be the most popular video for months.— Mike Malloy

“Hereeeeee'ssss UR Pizza”

Since: May 13

Columbus, OH

#740 May 11, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
Honestly, no I can't. I can't think of any liberal public commentator that has made comments that are equally as ugly as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. How they've gone after the 9/11 spouses, the Sandy Hook parents...they're just soulless people in my eyes.
Well there was that (Keith Olbermann) guy that even MSDNC could not tolerate him. Fired by MSNDC
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2...

Keith quote "Michelle Malkin is just a big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it"

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/scott-whitlock/2...

There was that other MSNDC guy Ed Shultz that was fired and had to repeatedly apologize for his statements.
Guess you are OK with calling a "conservative" womyn a SL-T huh?

Also fired by MSNDC

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ed-schultz-apologi...

I know you won't read the link so here is the Ed story.

Ed Schultz Apologizes On The Ed Show For Calling Laura Ingraham A ‘Right-Wing Sl-t’

Do you need more Ms. white guilt?

WOLF

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#741 May 11, 2013
Why not get real wrote:
<quoted text>

My point of view is that if the government is strong enough to "give" rights, it is strong enough to take them away.
A function OF government is to protect rights and liberties. Those are defined in our Constitution. Without such, we'd have anarchy. We need to be careful around an argument such as those you're putting forth. While I agree, we also need to be cognizant that there is a need for government in order to have a functional society.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#742 May 11, 2013
More ugly truth for Mpnf...

To those people who say,‘My father is alive because of animal experimentation,’ I say ‘Yeah, well, good for you. This dog died so your father could live.’ Sorry, but I am just not behind that kind of trade off.”— Bill Maher

“At least half of the [Ten] Commandments are stupid!”— Bill Maher

“But I’ve often said that if I had — I have two dogs — if I had two retarded children, I’d be a hero. And yet the dogs, which are pretty much the same thing. What? They’re sweet. They’re loving. They’re kind, but they don’t mentally advance at all.… Dogs are like retarded children.”— Bill Maher

“You can’t be a rational person six days a week and on one day of the week, go to a building, and think you are drinking the blood of a two thousand year old space god. That doesn’t make you a person of faith…, that makes you a schizophrenic.”— Bill Maher

“Did you hear this – Sarah Palin finally heard what happened in Japan and she’s demanding that we invade ‘Tsunami.’I mean she said,‘These ‘Tsunamians’ will not get away with this.’ Oh speaking of dumb twats, did you…”

"What would you do, sir, if terrorists were killing 45,000 people every year in this country? Well, the current health care system, the insurance companies, and those who support them are doing just that....Because they die individually of disease and not disaster,[radio host] Neal Boortz and those who ape him in office and out, approve their deaths, all 45,000 of them — a year — in America. Remind me again, who are the terrorists?"
— MSNBC's Keith Olbermann

“...the total mindless, morally bankrupt, knee-jerk, fascistic hatred — without which Michelle Malkin would just be a big mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it.”
— Keith Olbermann

“The Republicans want to see you dead! They’d rather make money off your dead corpse! They kind of like it when that woman has cancer and they don’t have anything for her.”
- Ed Schultz

"Now, the pillow talk in the Lieberman household in the sack had to be rather interesting, OK? You have got the wife working on behalf of the industry that's lining the pockets of the senator who has now come out against the public option. OK, look, how dumb are we? Is this a coincidence?
Does the word 'whore' apply? Are we there yet?"
Ed Schultz referring to Joe Lieberman's wife

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#743 May 11, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
Republicans of today and republicans of yesteryear are not the same party. Case in point, the newest NRA guy who calls the Civil War the war of northern aggression. Had he lived during the Civil War, I would hardly have called him a progressive or a liberal.
The Civil War was Northern Aggression.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#744 May 11, 2013
gokeefe wrote:
<quoted text>
A function OF government is to protect rights and liberties. Those are defined in our Constitution.
Not defined, enumerated (and even then only partially).

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#745 May 11, 2013
Look at the leftist butthurt when we expose the hate spewing from their heroes...
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#746 May 11, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
<quoted text>
The Civil War was Northern Aggression.
or was it southern rebellion that ended with the north demanding the south abide?

don't know how old you are, but when I was in the 8th grade, above is what I was taught.

was northern aggression what freed the slaves with an amendment to back it up?

also Republicans votes are what passed the law freeing slaves.

funny how the new education system teaches lies to the kids today, and we pay them 3 times the average salary to do so.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#747 May 11, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
or was it southern rebellion that ended with the north demanding the south abide?
don't know how old you are, but when I was in the 8th grade, above is what I was taught.
was northern aggression what freed the slaves with an amendment to back it up?
also Republicans votes are what passed the law freeing slaves.
funny how the new education system teaches lies to the kids today, and we pay them 3 times the average salary to do so.
The objective of the war was not to end slavery, until 1863.

The 13th Amendment ended slavery, not the war.

Since: Apr 13

Hilliard, OH

#748 May 11, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
<quoted text>
or was it southern rebellion that ended with the north demanding the south abide?
don't know how old you are, but when I was in the 8th grade, above is what I was taught.
was northern aggression what freed the slaves with an amendment to back it up?
also Republicans votes are what passed the law freeing slaves.
funny how the new education system teaches lies to the kids today, and we pay them 3 times the average salary to do so.
I have cousins the same age as me who growing up in South Carolina were indeed taught in public schools that the conflict was an illegal war initiated by the North.

“Queen of my domain”

Since: May 10

Location hidden

#749 May 11, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not defined, enumerated (and even then only partially).
True. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and those amendments. And we've already proven amendments can be added and then repealed.

“Alius bardus latin laudo”

Since: Nov 08

Williston, ND

#750 May 12, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
Honestly, no I can't. I can't think of any liberal public commentator that has made comments that are equally as ugly as Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. How they've t is okay for the government to legislate rights. It just varies as to what those rights are.
There many liberal commentators that have said many disgusting things. I could make a list, but we could go tit-for-tat all day and get nowhere.

On a different note...

I think it is a key point in where our rights come from.

For example. Why do we not put people in an arena and torture them to death for the amusement of others? Is it simply because our laws say it is wrong? If it is simply a matter of what the law allows and prohibits are our rights only what the laws deem them as?

In NAZI Germany the law permitted evil experiments on Jewish people and their morality allowed it to continue. I know it is an extreme example, but look at Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin. Their laws and morality were in agreement and millions of innocent men, women and children were slaughtered.

Allowing our rights to stem from government rule and allowing our morality to be defined by the laws that government makes cannot be right and just.

Our rights MUST be beyond the control of the government, lest a corrupt government change the laws and therefore change our rights. The origin of our rights is of key importance and it is one of the things that has made USA different from every other nation on earth.

Natural rights. Beyond government control, beyond all else. Rights that can't be taken or given.

We are handing control of our rights over to the government. Allowing them to define them. You can tell yourself it could never happen here, but it has before.

As a simplified example, we have given the government control over our marriages. We have allowed the government to control the benefits attributed to marriage. Why should the government decide who gets the benefits by being married? Who gave them the power to decide that?

Then again, the people voted and the laws were made. Do you really believe that our rights should stem from the laws and government? By arguing that gay marriage is wrong you are arguing that our rights don't come from the government. You say gay marriage is a right, but the laws don't say it is. If you believe it is a right, you then believe our rights don't come from government.

So why do you want to give the government control over a right that is beyond the government?

Didn't the government create this problem?

Do you have rights beyond the government? Is your freedom to walk the streets or be locked in a cage simply a decision to be made by people behind locked doors voting yea or nay, or are your freedoms inherent as a function of your existence?

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Westerville, OH

#751 May 12, 2013
-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm...
As to those in the World Trade Center…Let’s get a grip here, shall we? True enough, they were civilians of a sort. But innocent? Gimme a break.…If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I’d really be interested in hearing about it.— Ward Churchill
Over time, however, the endless war in Iraq began to play a role in natural selection. Only idiots signed up; only idiots died. Back home, the average I.Q. soared.— Ted Rall
I want to go up to the closest white person and say:‘You can’t understand this, it’s a black thing’ and then slap him, just for my mental health — New York city councilman Charles Barron
It’s good (Michelle Malkin’s) in D.C. and I’m in New York. I’d spit on her if I saw her.— Geraldo Rivera
The Pentagon as a legitimate target? I actually don’t have an opinion on that and it’s important I not have an opinion on that as I sit here in my capacity right now.— David Westin, ABC News President
“Do you not understand that the people you hold up as heroes bombed your goddamn country? Do you not understand that Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh and Bill O’Reilly are as complicit of the September 11, 2001 terror attack as any one of the dumbass 15 who came from Saudi Arabia?”(Mike Malloy)
“[Representative Michele Bachmann is] a hatemonger. She’s the type of person that would have gladly rounded up the Jews in Germany and shipped them off to death camps....This is an evil bitch from Hell.”(Mike Malloy)
“Cheney, by the way, looks very ruddy. I couldn’t get over that. Like, he must have feasted on a Jewish baby, or a Muslim baby. He must have sent his people out to get one and bring it back so he could drink its blood.”(Mike Malloy)
“He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion. Dick Cheney is an enemy of the country....Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you? See, I don’t even wish the guy goes to Hell, I just want to get him the hell out of here.”(Ed Schultz)
“So, Michele, slit your wrist! Go ahead! I mean, you know, why not? I mean, if you want to — or, you know, do us all a better thing. Move that knife up about two feet. I mean, start right at the collarbone.”(Montel Williams)
“Sarah Palin went to a Yankees game yesterday. There was one awkward moment during the seventh-inning stretch: her daughter was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez.”(David Letterman referring to 14 year old Bristol)
I have a good news to report; Glen Beck appears closer to suicide – I’m hoping that he does it on camera; suicide is rampant in his family, and given his alcoholism and his tendencies towards self-destruction, I am only hoping that when Glen Beck does put a gun to his head and pulls the trigger, that it will be on television, because somebody will capture it on YouTube and it will be the most popular video for months.— Mike Malloy
A. I would have to research all these quotes to ensure their legitimacy since you've already shown yourself to put information out there that has been untrue.

B. None of these people are as prolific in the national spotlight or viewed as representatives or spokespersons as people like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck or Ann Coulter.

For cryin' out loud, Mike Malloy has 13 markets in the entire country. Rush Limbaugh has one of the most listened-to radio shows and a listening audiences estimated to be 15 million. Hardly comparable. Even Ed Schultz only gets about 3 million. Liberals don't tend to flock to messiah-like figures to get their information or feel validation of their political or social viewpoints.

Geraldo? Really? Who views this guy as a legitimate source of anything, much less commentary (which, he's a republican and works for Fox...so.....???).

Churchill is not a legitimate source either.

So I stand by my previous statements.

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