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Obama dares Ohio State graduates 'to be better'

There are 710 comments on the ClickOnDetroit story from May 5, 2013, titled Obama dares Ohio State graduates 'to be better'. In it, ClickOnDetroit reports that:

President Obama told graduates Sunday that "the institutions that give structure to our society have at times betrayed your trust" but called on young people to take a more active role in the political process as part of the solution.

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“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#204 May 6, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
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are you a liberal? My guess is yes, your statements have that 'look down the nose at the little people' flavor. It's hard to disguise, most liberals are proud to announce how brilliant they are, how much better educated, more sophisticated, more in tune with the environment, against the death penalty for convicted killers, huggers, warmers, greenies, enjoy films with subtitles, order properly at Starbucks. go ahead, continue to tell us how ingnert we are, and how brilliant you are.
Funny you say that, when several conservative posters are constantly talking about their own careers, their retirement savings accounts, their education at quasi-Ivy league schools. Seems like you need to do a little bit more investigating of your own kind before you start nipping at the heels of others.

For the record, I'm in favor of the death penalty, I hate foreign films and I don't drink coffee. Also for the record, when someone on this thread or any other says they "pay my way," I will swiftly correct their mindset. I'm proud of my education and of my career. There's nothing wrong with that.

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Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#205 May 6, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>We're obviously in enemy territory. Ain't it fun to know that in the real world, there are lots more of us than there are of them?
I don't know. There are a lot of misinformed people in the world.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#206 May 6, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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No it's about how it's funded and the ratio of takers to givers.
Finland is a small country that has a very educated population and it's very homogenous. Try being a welfare queen in a country like Sweden, Finland, or Switzerland. You will be blackballed and shunned in that society if you acted even remotely close to how some of our entitled act.
Take away any federal tax refunds for those on government assistance and use that money to find government healthcare. That would be a start. Then everyone pays 15% income tax regardless of their occupation. The only deductions that should stay in play are mortgage deductions since owning a home is a huge part of the American dream and many Americans pay their mortgages on time and earned their rates and their homes. The other is the student loan interest deduction since those folks put in years of hard work to attain a high priced degree and they simply didn't default on their school loans. Those are two of the deductions I actually think make some sense in our tax code. Start with those two things and then we might be able to fund some of Obamacare, but if we are going to keep handing out social services like they are funded by a money tree then we are going to crash and burn.
An across the board tax rate would be harmful to the economy. People who are surviving on $24k need every penny they can get, especially if you want to keep them off welfare and food stamps.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#207 May 6, 2013
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Personal choice/responsibility.
"We may be accustomed to thinking of the uninsured as low-income individuals and struggling families. But the Census Bureau data show that many are relatively affluent. Over 17.5 million -- 38%-- of the uninsured make more than $50,000 a year. And 9.1 million have an annual income of over $75,000 a year.
How can this be? In part, it's because a number of financially comfortable young Americans choose not to purchase health insurance. Known in the healthcare trade as the 'invincibles'-- because they’re so sure they won't get sick -- these young singles would rather keep their money than shell out for expensive monthly insurance premiums because of the many mandates and regulations place on insurers by the states.
This intentional avoidance of health insurance is quite common. According to the Commonwealth Fund, Americans age 19-29 comprise one of the largest and fastest-growing segments of the uninsured population.
Another 14 million of the uninsured are FULLY ELIGIBLE for government assistance through programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and SCHIP.
How does that break down? A 2008 study by the Georgetown University Health Policy Institute showed that a whopping 70% OF UNINSURED CHILDREN ARE ELIGIBLE for Medicaid, SCHIP, or both programs. And roughly 27% of non-elderly Americans who are eligible for Medicaid haven’t enrolled and simply live their lives without health insurance, according to the Urban Institute.
Is it really fair to say that such individuals don’t have health insurance? Further, if millions of Americans aren't availing themselves of taxpayer-funded coverage, why should we think that an even bigger government healthcare bureaucracy would solve the problem?
Of course, there are people who really do fall through the cracks. These are the chronically uninsured -- the working poor. They are people who struggle to hold down jobs and support their families. They earn less than $50,000 per year but too much to qualify for government help. They simply can’t afford insurance.
There are roughly 8 MILLION of these chronically uninsured. Any attempt to solve the problem of the uninsured should focus on this narrow slice of the 45.7 million person pie."
-- Sally Pipes, President & CEO of the Pacific Research Institute and author of "The Top Ten Myths of American Health Care"
"These data also indicate that not all parents want public coverage for their uninsured children. While this group of parents is clearly a minority, accounting for 22% of all low-income uninsured children, it is unlikely that improvements to enrollment systems or more public information campaigns about the existence of Medicaid and SCHIP will induce them to enroll their children."
http://www.urban.org/url.cfm...
We aren't discussing people who are affluent and choose not to be insured. We are talking about DISADVANTAGED people. You need to understand the difference.

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Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#208 May 6, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>This whole "teleprompter" myth about Obama is something the right wing mouthbreathers enjoy parroting. Of course in interviews, press conferences, and presidential debates, Obama speaks off the cuff, and wisely. These fruitcakes know that, but it spoils their fantasy.
I've witnessed him speak freely many times, including yesterday. He does quite well. Much better than the bumbling "fool me...twice, fool me can't get fooled again" idiot before him.
Barney Franks peter

Los Angeles, CA

#209 May 6, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I make a very nice salary, yes. I'm by no means rich, but I make enough to where I'm comfortable and am very happy to pay my share of taxes to help others.
If there are so many charities that help the disadvantaged, why are there still disadvantaged people? Even those who seek the help of charities find that it is enough. Do you really have any concept of how much medical treatment costs? Do you know much it costs to have a bone marrow transplant without insurance? Do you know much it costs to have a child isolated for an entire year in a special room so he will not get sick while recovering from a deadly disease and transplant? I'm quite certain you don't. But if you think charities have enough money to cover all the people who have to deal with these situations, your foothold in reality isn't too strong.
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I make a very nice salary, yes.

I'm by no means rich, but I make enough to where I'm comfortable and am very happy to pay my share of taxes to help others.

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Here's a trend you'll be reading more about:

part-time "job sharing,"

not only within firms but across different businesses.

It's already happening across the country at fast-food restaurants,

as employers try to avoid being punished by the Affordable Care Act.

In some cases we've heard about,

a local McDonalds has hired employees to operate the cash register or flip burgers for 20 hours a week

and then the workers head to the nearby Burger King or Wendy's to log another 20 hours.

Other employees take the opposite shifts.

Welcome to the strange new world of small-business hiring under ObamaCare.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142412788 ...

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I make a very nice salary, yes.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#210 May 6, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Did you not read the graph?
That unemployment rate is higher than ours and trending up.
The color of the skin has a whole lot to do with the success of Finland, name me a 90+% black nation-state with the same First World status.
Only homogeneous societies will accept the taxation to fund a Scandinavian social welfare system. In fact, only Scandinavians have (Minnesota's streak of D wins is a Scandinavian legacy)
Simply put, a multiethnocultural society, like Switzerland for instance, will not develop strong welfare state policies, because the groups within think their income is being transferred via taxation to buy votes from an opposing demographic. The Swiss are arguably the most free market in Europe, and the least homogeneous.
And that's before the arguments as to whether or not the Nordic model is sustainable without large oil revenues.
Their current unemployment rate is 7.7%. Our is 7.5%. That is of May 2013. Are they trillion dollars in debt? I don't see how their size matters. Look at Greece. A small country and economically devastated. Finland may be on a downtrend, but they survived better than most countries during the recent economic downturn. I have friends who live in these countries (Scandinavian) and they are doing quite well.

I understand that you equate color with poverty. I don't. I see other countries that have been devastated by famine, drought, or are still suffering from the effects of imperialism. You could say the same thing about Native Americans. However, if they were left alone, I'm sure they'd be doing quite well.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#211 May 6, 2013
hilarious wrote:
<quoted text> When you have to continually tell strangers how educated and well paid you are.....up goes the red flag. I'm sure you think the amount taken out of your weekly paycheck is hefty but I am quite certain it is nothing compared to the many who toil every day with higher taxes and far greater expenses.
Never claimed to be a millionaire, nor am I a rocket scientist. As I said to another poster, when someone claims I'm milking the system by being on welfare, I will be sure to correct them, just as many other posters do when it comes to attacking their livelihood or education.
Barney Franks peter

Los Angeles, CA

#212 May 6, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I don't know. There are a lot of misinformed people in the world.
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Why Work?

December 10, 2010 11:12 A.M.

By Veronique de Rugy

Why, indeed?

Over at Zero Hedge, Tyler Durden has an interesting answer:

Emmerich analyzes disposable income and economic benefits among several key income classes and comes to the stunning (and verifiable) conclusion that

“a one-parent family of three making $14,500 a year (minimum wage) has more disposable income than a family making $60,000 a year.”

And that excludes benefits from Supplemental Security Income disability checks.

America is now a country which punishes those middle-class people who not only try to work hard, but avoid scamming the system.

More data here:
http://www.marklevinshow.com/goout.asp...

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There are a lot of misinformed people in the world.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#213 May 6, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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They don't get that. That lie is a thing the Democrats made up on the outrageous claim that the US government somehow should have the power to tax income made in another country. The argument would be laughed out in every EU country.
Now, there are incentives for corporations to import foreign workers into this country, H1B is one of these, and the Gang of 8 bill adds more.
But when it's white men getting the hit, you applaud!
Hmm, really. Do you know what a maquiladora is?

Here's some info, even from the mouth of Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/04/fa...

Technically, companies can claim a deduction for the costs associated with moving jobs overseas.

However, the deduction is not a special loophole afforded only to companies moving work out of America, as the president sometimes makes it sound. Rather, the deduction is written into the tax code pertaining to any cost companies face in the course of doing business.

That means a company can claim the deduction whether it's moving operations to Bangalore or Boston, to Kuala Lumpur or Kansas City.

"Any cost of doing business is deductible," said Doug Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office who advised Republican Sen. John McCain in the 2008 presidential race. "There's no special (incentive to move jobs overseas)."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/04/fa...
Barney Franks peter

Los Angeles, CA

#214 May 6, 2013
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“a one-parent family of three making $14,500 a year (minimum wage) has more disposable income than a family making $60,000 a year.”

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#215 May 6, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Their current unemployment rate is 7.7%. Our is 7.5%. That is of May 2013. Are they trillion dollars in debt? I don't see how their size matters. Look at Greece. A small country and economically devastated. Finland may be on a downtrend, but they survived better than most countries during the recent economic downturn. I have friends who live in these countries (Scandinavian) and they are doing quite well.
I understand that you equate color with poverty. I don't. I see other countries that have been devastated by famine, drought, or are still suffering from the effects of imperialism. You could say the same thing about Native Americans. However, if they were left alone, I'm sure they'd be doing quite well.
It was 7.7 in December of last year, May stats don't exist yet, and April stats are yet to be released.

The most current number is 8.2 in March following an upward trend beginning last February.

The economies of Southern and Northern Europe are very different, as are cultural work ethics.

Imperialism ended in the 1960s, Asia was also colonized, and then wrecked in wars. But yet Vietnam is doing well, in fact better than most African countries.

But, as the typical liberal, you always respond with BLAME YT FIRST

The Aztecs committed ritual human sacrifice en masse

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#216 May 6, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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However, the deduction is not a special loophole afforded only to companies moving work out of America, as the president sometimes makes it sound.
They say it better than I do.
Barney Franks peter

Los Angeles, CA

#217 May 6, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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Never claimed to be a millionaire, nor am I a rocket scientist. As I said to another poster, when someone claims I'm milking the system by being on welfare, I will be sure to correct them, just as many other posters do when it comes to attacking their livelihood or education.
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When facts are shown that cannot be disputed you do not reply, disappear, switch topics or you resort to name-calling.

"Mpnf1979", you are a cowardly piece of COMMUNIST shit!

Just like your COMMUNIST black messiah!

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#218 May 6, 2013
hilarious wrote:
<quoted text>How about if we stop shipping overseas after we send all the illegals back? Let's close the border and not let anyone in until we can take care of the people we have already. Let's make sure NO ONE is exempt from taxes and everyone pays the same amount. If you're too poor to pay taxes...you can work for the govt for free until your quota is paid. How about no pregnancies while on any kind of govt assistance? How about we reduce govt by 50%?
Without commerce, you would picking berries and following the food source. Without folks taking risks and taking their ideas to market, you wouldn't HAVE a job. If you want to get rid of tax loopholes, lets get rid of ALL taxes. Pay for your own education or thank corporations for investing billions into education. Businesses are huge contributors to philanthropies and yet you think closing tax loopholes is going to make a difference? Not in the slightest. It's the govt waste, the entitlements, the moochers, the illegals, the btches who expect the govt to cover their contraception...etc. It's about fat mavens having brat after brat and expecting the govt. to pay for their education, healthcare, housing, food and clothing. It's about expecting govt. to pay for daycare while the pigs pop out more babies for the govt. to babysit. It's about duplicate govt. programs, out of touch and crooked politicians who get rich off the taxpayers. It's about trying to fix the problems in the world when our own domestic issues are out of control. It's about corruption and power in ALL political parties.
People were wealthier when there was LESS govt. Now, people are getting poorer and dumber. They think the govt owes them from womb to tomb. It's so disgusting to see how the stupid are now outnumbering the hardworking taxpayers. You are just another mindless follower who has been brainwashed by big govt. and the media.
"How about if we stop shipping overseas after we send all the illegals back? Let's close the border and not let anyone in until we can take care of the people we have already."

Sounds great. Just make sure also not to let anyone in who is the leading pediatric cancer researcher and anyone else who could benefit the country. As for illegals, I'm all about kicking them out of the country. No matter what color they are.

"How about no pregnancies while on any kind of govt assistance?"

Sure, just make sure to make abortion free and accessible.

Yes, yes. You're so right. Those corporations that say they have to pay minimum wage so their CEOs can rake in million dollar bonuses under the guise of "reinvesting" are definitely not a problem. A hundred years ago, this country was filled with small businesses, not large corporations. Those small businesses created jobs. I remember several small grocery stores that are no more thanks to corporations like Walmart.

As for education, I paid for my own. I was lucky to have that luxury. But creating a caste system isn't going to help the economy. Making sure people can't become educated and better their lives and situations by not offering school loans has really worked out for places like India, hasn't it?

When 1% of the population holds a large chunk of the wealth, I would not say that's a good thing. The focus needs to be on small businesses, the middle class and the people who SPEND money.

I will go ahead and say the same about you - you're just another person brainwashed by the media.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#219 May 6, 2013
VADoc wrote:
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Sit through a basic economics course friend. If you remove health insurance from the equation you just remove a perk of the job. A perk that is increasingly being dropped and the onus of healthcare costs being forced upon the worker due to rising healthcare costs because of poor government reimbursement and waste.
If you eliminate insurance from the compensation package then any raise in salary we would get would go right back to the government in taxes if not more. The government does not run things efficiently. I work for the government and I know.
The rich would still have Cadillac plans as well as politicians just like it is in the other countries you mentioned. Canada is a fine example where the rich do not wait for treatments. They have private insurance and get to the front of the line or jump to our country to avoid the wait. Same thing will happen here. I work in healthcare and for the government. The VA is a fine example on a smaller scale of what happens with government run and funded healthcare. Long waits. Poor staffing. Angry patients. Angry workers. A real shit sandwich pardon my French.
I certainly don't think employers should not offer insurance. I guess you did not get the facetious tone in my post. I seem to remember a time when Americans were going to Canada to get their prescription medication. They obviously must have something up there we want.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#221 May 6, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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I will go ahead and say the same about you - you're just another person brainwashed by the media.
Alternet and NPR don't count as "independent sources"

As to the rest of the post, you should consult a history and economics textbook, you have a problem with the facts.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#222 May 6, 2013
TaxNoMore wrote:
Mpnf1979 wrote:
I do.
Through taxes.
And am happy to do so.
I don't revel in dying children.
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Planned parenthood ,I do. Through taxes.
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Gosnell snipped the neck of one born at 30 weeks,
he joked that it was big enough to
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I do.
Through taxes.
And am happy to do so.
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Planned Parenthood reported receiving a record $542 million in taxpayer support in fiscal 2012,
marking a steady increase in government funding despite Republican-led efforts at the state and federal levels to cut off that stream.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/08/pl...
A. Anyone who uses Fox News as a source loses all credibility.

B. We aren't talking about Planned Parenthood and I never once brought it up.

C. No one supports Gosnell, so your argument (whatever it was) is moot.

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

Since: Jan 13

Ivy League-ISIS

#223 May 6, 2013
Mpnf1979 wrote:
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A. Anyone who uses Fox News as a source loses all credibility.
B. We aren't talking about Planned Parenthood and I never once brought it up.
C. No one supports Gosnell, so your argument (whatever it was) is moot.
A. Fox News is no more biased than CBSNBCABCCNN or MSDNC

Rip one, rip them all like I do, or accept them all

C. PA state gov did not conduct inspections, support for inspections in Virginia was called "anti-woman" when Cuccinelli was lobbying for the bill.

“Ignorance is bliss.”

Since: May 11

Hightstown, NJ

#224 May 6, 2013
TaxNoMore wrote:
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When facts are shown that cannot be disputed you do not reply, disappear, switch topics or you resort to name-calling.
"Mpnf1979", you are a cowardly piece of COMMUNIST shit!
Just like your COMMUNIST black messiah!
Sure thing. I'll make sure to quit my job and live on here 24/7 like some others seem to. Mental health care should probably be a priority for you to become so irate over something so insignificant. But it does make me laugh, so proceed with your rants.

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