In Defense Of Mike McQueary
tip

United States

#21 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Put another way ...
You are the manager of the Wendy's at Hamilton and Refugee. Dave Thomas (I know, he's dead) gets caught in the stockroom raping an underling. The night shift manager catches him and because it's Dave it doesn't get reported to police. You tell your manager - he kicks it up the chain of command. Is it the manager's responsibility to keep pushing the issue?
NO!
Paterno is the manager of the football team.
Another fine example from Bob of a moral failure of epic proportion.
You go, girl.
Peasant

Galloway, OH

#22 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I don't work a job like Paterno's, but my understanding is they work 14 hour days most of the time. I don't know about you, but when I'm busy with that kind of workload (which occasionally I have) that takes up most of my attention in the day. I have neither the time, nor the desire, nor is it any of my business to play amateur cop.
When I do get this kind of stuff tossed in my lap, I do report it up the chain of command as required. And I participate to provide any knowledge I may have, as required. Period. Cooperation amongst professionals is usually a good thing. It serves to build trust and good will. It might not be my "job" but it certainly serves my purposes to rout out assholes as well who may be either 1) wasting resources or 2) abusing others or their position. If it's not related to me or my job...then I typically don't get involved. But this clearly was under Paterno's watch and Sandusky was using facilities that were under Paterno's command. McQueary certainly was under the direction of Paterno as well.

As for the amateur role...aren't we all playing armchair amateur judges, cops, and lawyers here from behind the keyboard?

Personally, I think you are hound dogging down all the wrong avenues on this. What you are advocating is the quiet support of "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil" -- which is the internal destruction of any organization and in this case harmed a bunch of young boys and supported what amounts to the commission of felony crimes. Rome crumbled from within.
Peasant

Galloway, OH

#23 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Put another way ...
You are the manager of the Wendy's at Hamilton and Refugee. Dave Thomas (I know, he's dead) gets caught in the stockroom raping an underling. The night shift manager catches him and because it's Dave it doesn't get reported to police. You tell your manager - he kicks it up the chain of command. Is it the manager's responsibility to keep pushing the issue?
NO!
Paterno is the manager of the football team.
The manager SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE COPS if he had witnessed a crime in progress. Screw the job if you're fired for that -- really, any intelligent person would figure out how to deal with that fallout.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#24 Nov 16, 2011
tip wrote:
"Campus police"? LOL. Everyone knows they're not the real thing. McQueary is without excuse.
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/1713

(C) Each member of a campus police department appointed under division (B) of this section is vested, while directly in the discharge of that member’s duties as a police officer, with the same powers and authority that are vested in a police officer of a municipal corporation or a county sheriff under Title XXIX of the Revised Code and the Rules of Criminal Procedure, including the same powers and authority relating to the operation of a public safety vehicle that are vested in a police officer of a municipal corporation or a county sheriff under Chapter 4511.
tip

United States

#25 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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What about finding scapegoats to lynch, is that your idea of morality?
When you find a scapegoat in this mess, let us know.
So far...looks like all the higher-ups knew, but winked & nodded.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#26 Nov 16, 2011
Peasant wrote:
IMHO. These are the questions that must be asked. Not diverting attention onto cases that are well over 20 years old and calling your opponents "mindless" and "hysterical".
So you don't get that this is hysteria driven? Did you listen to the Amirault audio?

Same thing happened, same formula.

1) Kid involved in sex act, or one thought to have happened.
2) Women go into hysterics.
3) Innocent person lynched as a sacrifice to the peasants.

That's also what happened during the Salem Witch Trials. And the same thing happened after the Rodney King/Cincinnati police beatings which the natives used as an excuse to riot and destroy a bunch of property.

MASS HYSTERIA.
Antagonist

Newark, OH

#27 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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These self-righteous do-gooders in my experience are always the first people to stab you in the back.
When I catch you in the act of humping a 10 year old boy, I'll be happy to stab you all over.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#28 Nov 16, 2011
Peasant wrote:
<quoted text>
The manager SHOULD HAVE CALLED THE COPS if he had witnessed a crime in progress. Screw the job if you're fired for that -- really, any intelligent person would figure out how to deal with that fallout.
But the scenario, which is a very realistic one, is that he DIDN'T because he didn't want to turn in a beloved figure like Dave Thomas! Is it the manager's (who didn't even see what happened) job afterwards to keep rattling cages to make sure something is done about it?

In real life, that's not how things work.
tip

United States

#29 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/1713
(C) Each member of a campus police department appointed under division (B) of this section is vested, while directly in the discharge of that member’s duties as a police officer, with the same powers and authority that are vested in a police officer of a municipal corporation or a county sheriff under Title XXIX of the Revised Code and the Rules of Criminal Procedure, including the same powers and authority relating to the operation of a public safety vehicle that are vested in a police officer of a municipal corporation or a county sheriff under Chapter 4511.
LOL.

"Campus police means all law enforcement personnel EMPLOYED BY a state-aided or state-related college or university who have successfully completed a campus police course of training approved under 53 Pa.C.S. Ch. 21 Subch. D (relating to municipal police education and training)."

Houston, we have a conflict of interest.
tip

United States

#30 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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But the scenario, which is a very realistic one, is that he DIDN'T because he didn't want to turn in a beloved figure like Dave Thomas! Is it the manager's (who didn't even see what happened) job afterwards to keep rattling cages to make sure something is done about it?
In real life, that's not how things work.
He has a moral duty.
Again, Bob....don't expect you to "get it."
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#31 Nov 16, 2011
tip wrote:
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He has a moral duty.
Again, Bob....don't expect you to "get it."
I don't think turning in your dad or a family member or your friend is such a moral thing to do.
Enzyte Bob

Columbus, OH

#32 Nov 16, 2011
tip wrote:
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He has a moral duty.
Again, Bob....don't expect you to "get it."
Since when did the police become the arbiters of morality?
Peasant

Galloway, OH

#33 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>
So you don't get that this is hysteria driven? Did you listen to the Amirault audio?
Same thing happened, same formula.
1) Kid involved in sex act, or one thought to have happened.
2) Women go into hysterics.
3) Innocent person lynched as a sacrifice to the peasants.
That's also what happened during the Salem Witch Trials. And the same thing happened after the Rodney King/Cincinnati police beatings which the natives used as an excuse to riot and destroy a bunch of property.
MASS HYSTERIA.
So you don't get that there are NO SIMILARITIES to the situation on Amirault radio?

Are you this clueless? Ding Ding Ding. Here's your clue. 1) McQueary has credible evidence as a witness and has stated such. 2) Sandusky has documented, credible witnesses against him -- boys who were old enough to speak what occurred. 3) It's not only women, Bob.

Really, I think it's time to take off your underoos and open your eyes. You're being the village idiot in this situation. IMHO. Hint: Because a large crowd speaks out against a wrong doesn't make it "hysteria." Did you see the Palin blip on Gretta last night? Isn't that more of a mass hysteria? "I'll bring the rope and hang him" in reference to Sandusky? Now that IS vigilantism.

Removal from one's job isn't vigilantism. Besides, I do believe McQueary is only on "administrative leave" at the moment while PSU considers what is happening. MHO: McQueary should not be back on staff there. He showed a severe lack of leadership qualities and wimped out.
tip

United States

#34 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I don't think turning in your dad or a family member or your friend is such a moral thing to do.
Bob...you should have turned him in.
There's still time to make things right.
Antagonist

Newark, OH

#35 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I don't think turning in your dad or a family member or your friend is such a moral thing to do.
The exact definition of situational ethics.

In reality, it equates to no ethics that amount anything.
Peasant

Galloway, OH

#36 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
<quoted text>Since when did the police become the arbiters of morality?
Since when do we consider the police as judges as well. Your leaps in logic here are really strange.

The assertion is: McQueary should have called the police and placed the information of the crime into the public realm, where it would have been handled legally and through the courts, not in PSU's good old boy network of "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil". All the police would have done would have been to do the administrative work of officially reporting the crime and it would have been turned over to the courts. It's that simple.
Liz

Hightstown, NJ

#37 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
Put another way ...
You are the manager of the Wendy's at Hamilton and Refugee. Dave Thomas (I know, he's dead) gets caught in the stockroom raping an underling. The night shift manager catches him and because it's Dave it doesn't get reported to police. You tell your manager - he kicks it up the chain of command. Is it the manager's responsibility to keep pushing the issue?
NO!
Paterno is the manager of the football team.
No, you only keep pushing the issue if it takes place at the Wendy's on Dublin Rd. and Grandview Ave. What a tool...

“Not insane-mom had me tested”

Since: Apr 10

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#38 Nov 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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I don't think turning in your dad or a family member or your friend is such a moral thing to do.
I don't care if it's your dad, a family member, OR Mother Theresa, if you catch them raping a child, and DO NOTHING, you, in my eyes, are just as guilty as the rapist.....you're putting WAAAY to much emphasis on how it will make the poor accused rapist feel, instead of trying to understand that a CHILD has been violated, robbed of their innocence, and probably will be affected by it for the rest of their lives.

Bob, you are CLEARLY wrong on this, as EVERYONE else is trying to point out.
Babs

Valley City, OH

#39 Nov 16, 2011
Antagonist wrote:
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When I catch you in the act of humping a 10 year old boy, I'll be happy to stab you all over.
Oh but you cant do that. That would be breaking the law. The very same law that you say must be upheld no matter what innocent, uninvolved party gets harmed, like collateral damage. So if you did that it would mean that your spouse also must go to jail for failing to report your propensity for violence to the proper law enforcement officials, thus not blowing the whistle and preventing the act from occurring. Maybe you have assaulted someone in the past and they dont know about it. And you cant say "well that is different" because its not, being a tattle tail, snoop, goodie-2-shoe, but-in-ski in a slippery slope. You cant pick and choose.
tip

United States

#40 Nov 16, 2011
Babs wrote:
<quoted text>That would be breaking the law. The very same law that you say must be upheld no matter what innocent, uninvolved party gets harmed.
When you and Bob can identify any innocent, uninvolved parties being taken down in the Penn St fiasco, do let us know.

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