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Just Sayin

Columbus, OH

#222 Dec 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You are wrong. There is no such law in Pennsylvania. He reported it up the chain of command (which I don't think he was required to do) and it was then their responsibility to report to police.
Think again - he was required to report it and as a 28 year old man he should have beat the hell out of pedophile jerry when he witnessed it. All he did was cover his ass.
Factual Frank

Tucson, AZ

#223 Dec 16, 2011
I find it difficult to believe there isnt a law that requires the reporting of child rape. However, McQueary reported the incident to the Campus Administrator who his head of campus police. I'm not saying his hands are clean because he did this but there were multiple people involved here including campus police so its reasonable to give him the benefit of the doubt that he may have been lead to believe they were investigating it.

Im sure looking back now its easy for everyone (including McQueary himself) to say "he should have.." "I would have.." but we dont know all the facts and the media will highlight the buzz words and leave out smaller, unexciting details that could be important.

I guess I am trying to careful with drawing conclusions by the tiny bit of information the media is reporting. Im sure by the time this is all done there will be a 1000 page report but right now you are only getting page 1.
FKA Reader

Columbus, OH

#224 Dec 16, 2011
Just Sayin wrote:
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You are absolutely right. Laws regarding educators and child abuse reporting have been on the books for years and you are mandated by law to report to the police. He is JUST AS GUILTY for not reporting to the police.
Except that the laws of Pennsylvania are different. In Ohio mandated reporters are required to report directly to the police or child protective services. In Pennsylvania they can also report to a superior.
FKA Reader

Columbus, OH

#225 Dec 16, 2011
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The reality is that we have our own ability to deal with shocking images--in the form of denial.
Denial can be a powerful tool of the psyche to deal with images and events for which their is no other means of support to deal with (like therapy). Not only did McQueary witness a shocking act on the part of one of his mentors, but when he took the situation to another friend and mentor--who I believe assured him that the situation would be taken care of--this person also let him (and the boy) down.
This sets up what is known as cognitive dissonance. Either everything that you have known is wrong (in terms of who you trusted and all that), or what you saw, or what you are now experiencing (the lack of follow-through on Paterno's part) is inaccurate. This tends to be a pretty impossible set of choices and subjectivity is a tricky thing. Sometimes the mind just sets about revising what it knows to minimize the dissonance--thinking that maybe what was witness was an illusion, or that there really was a response of some sort that is just hidden from view.
BTW--I would say that the classic example of denial at this point is Mrs. Sandusky. It is not at all unusual for family members to be able to deny all sorts of things right under their noses. Siblings who disclose abuse as adults often find that they are ostracised by brothers and sisters who have put all of the events out of mind. To the point that they believe that they never happened.

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#226 Dec 16, 2011
Enzyte Bob wrote:
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You are the only other person (other than me, of course) who is being realistic about this matter.
We have a constitution, we have individual rights. You are not REQUIRED to do anything whatsoever unless the law mandates it. If you do anything, that means ANYTHING WHATSOEVER, you are doing over and above what is required. If he had simply written an anonymous letter, even that would have been more than what was required.
Bottom line is that this is an extreme example of what happens when you get involved, but it shows why people don't want to get involved. Instead of thanking him for intervening, the peasants want to second-guess and crucify these people.
And I don't blame Paterno, either. Like I said, he has better things to do than to play amateur investigator.
Come on, Bob. Thanking him? Are you serious? What did he intervene in? He only came forward after the story broke.

Is McQuery a small fish? Yes. But I don't see how his lack of actions 'takes the focus' off of the big fish. The president - lost his job. The AD - lost his job. The head coach - lost his job. The scumbag sexual predator - being prosecuted.

And what has McQueary suffered? Paid administrative leave. You know what they call time of with pay where I work? Vacation.

Don't give me this BS about him getting a bum rap. Do people make mistakes? Sure they do. But they have to suffer the consequences. His mistake probably ruined dozens of little boys lives. And the worst thing to happen to him? Someone called him "less than human".(Though I am not even sure THAT is true).

That fact is, he had to have known that nothing ever came of this but he chose to take the path of least resistance. He may not have had a legal requirement to do so, but he had a moral one. Instead, he picked his personal comfort over those poor, innocent children who were abused by Sandusky from 2003 until 2011.
And Another Thing

Galloway, OH

#227 May 23, 2013
Big Johnson wrote:
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And the other thing is, what was really happening? Perhaps instead of r pe it should be called illicit sex. It's not like anyone was in mortal danger.
I'm sure the kid was seduced rather than coerced and the two of them were having a gay old time when the guy walked in on them. Why isn't it possible for a young child to enjoy sex? They may have regrets later but so do adults.
If the kid seemed to be in pain or distressed then sure you should step in but that does not seem to be the case here.
You are a sick feck.

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#228 May 23, 2013
And Another Thing wrote:
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You are a sick feck.
You can say that again.
Bob's hard of hearing.

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