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Upper Arlington schools could lose more than $400,000 a year if Tree of Life Christian School moves into the former home of Upper Arlington's one-time largest employer.
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KJB

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Upper Arlington has designated that area as a Commercial Zone in order to attract businesses and receive the appropriate tax revenue needed to run the city. I agree with their denial of this attempt to sneak in a business disguised as a church.
MegaChurches like Tree of Life, Vineyard and World Harvest ought to be taxed anyway since they are businesses and their pastor salaries are comparable to mose CEO's.
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Oh, we're getting greedy, are we, UA Civil Servants?!
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UA is being incredibly foolish over this. There is absolutely zero - ZERO - chance of them getting any kind of business they think they'll get in there. CompuServe was a wonderful gift for them while it lasted (massive tax base that they milked to lower taxes on their residents), but that's from an era that's gone forever. Had AOL not bought CompuServe and split it when it did, that building would've been vacant 12 years ago as CompuServe was already packing its bags and leaving for its new building on 270.

Keep it up smart guys, and that building will sit vacant until it collapses.
michael coleman

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tree of life needs to cross Henderson,and find something in Columbus.

suburbs like UA are worthless,their income tax and property tax shell game is getting old,and the economy is in the crapper.

their days are numberred
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KJB wrote:
Upper Arlington has designated that area as a Commercial Zone in order to attract businesses and receive the appropriate tax revenue needed to run the city. I agree with their denial of this attempt to sneak in a business disguised as a church.
MegaChurches like Tree of Life, Vineyard and World Harvest ought to be taxed anyway since they are businesses and their pastor salaries are comparable to mose CEO's.
KJB, you obviously are completely unaware of what Tree of Life is. To somehow compare it to Vineyard and World Harvest churches is ridiculous. As a small church (megachurch, seriously???) the people gather to praise and worship the Lord Jesus Christ. As a very small school it pushes the kids to their fullest capabilities in a loving, Christian environment.

I know UA folks think they are far too good for something like a Christian school but this is probably their best chance to get anything of substance in those buildings for the next several years.
gift horse

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This decision bu UA is very short-sighted and unfortunate. TOL would be an asset to the community in many ways.
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Why don't they just move their church there, too and problem solved. It will be a church just like Catholic schools are.
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To clear the air:

1. Tree of Life is a school, not a church. They were formerly affiliated with the Church of Christ but are no longer. They are independent of any denomination.

2. The City of Upper Arlington has a fairly strong economic argument against Tree of Life relocating to UA. Losing somewhere in the neighborhood of $400,000 in school revenues is no small thing and they have every right to oppose it.

3. It's interesting that the building continues to generate revenue while unoccupied. AOL's desire to sell the building for 7.6 million indicates they very much would like it to be off their rolls. The problem is, who would is going to buy it, other than an organization like Tree of Life? With the economy in the state it is, no business is going to take on that sort of tax burden. My guess is it will remain unoccupied for the foreseeable future.

4. As for the first comment, you should read the disclosure reports of Vineyard Columbus and World Harvest - the salaries of their senior staffers are not anywhere in the neighborhood of the average CEO.
michael coleman

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Pasha wrote:
To clear the air:
1. Tree of Life is a school, not a church. They were formerly affiliated with the Church of Christ but are no longer. They are independent of any denomination.
2. The City of Upper Arlington has a fairly strong economic argument against Tree of Life relocating to UA. Losing somewhere in the neighborhood of $400,000 in school revenues is no small thing and they have every right to oppose it.
3. It's interesting that the building continues to generate revenue while unoccupied. AOL's desire to sell the building for 7.6 million indicates they very much would like it to be off their rolls. The problem is, who would is going to buy it, other than an organization like Tree of Life? With the economy in the state it is, no business is going to take on that sort of tax burden. My guess is it will remain unoccupied for the foreseeable future.
4. As for the first comment, you should read the disclosure reports of Vineyard Columbus and World Harvest - the salaries of their senior staffers are not anywhere in the neighborhood of the average CEO.
go look at the houese these people live in,then get back to me.

churches are a business.
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Local Guy wrote:
UA is being incredibly foolish over this. There is absolutely zero - ZERO - chance of them getting any kind of business they think they'll get in there. CompuServe was a wonderful gift for them while it lasted (massive tax base that they milked to lower taxes on their residents), but that's from an era that's gone forever. Had AOL not bought CompuServe and split it when it did, that building would've been vacant 12 years ago as CompuServe was already packing its bags and leaving for its new building on 270.
Keep it up smart guys, and that building will sit vacant until it collapses.
I doesn't matter. It's paying about $600k a year in property taxes. That won't change as long as it isn't owned by a non-profit. And since the TOLers can't operate a school, they are dead in the water. TimeWarner will continue to own and owe on it.

And your observation about Compuserv is wrong. Unless they gift the property or sell it, they still owe taxes on it.

All UA needs to do is be vigilant about underhanded and illegal moves, like that of TOL, and it will sell and be occupied by a business.
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Pasha wrote:
To clear the air:
1. Tree of Life is a school, not a church. They were formerly affiliated with the Church of Christ but are no longer. They are independent of any denomination.
2. The City of Upper Arlington has a fairly strong economic argument against Tree of Life relocating to UA. Losing somewhere in the neighborhood of $400,000 in school revenues is no small thing and they have every right to oppose it.
3. It's interesting that the building continues to generate revenue while unoccupied. AOL's desire to sell the building for 7.6 million indicates they very much would like it to be off their rolls. The problem is, who would is going to buy it, other than an organization like Tree of Life? With the economy in the state it is, no business is going to take on that sort of tax burden. My guess is it will remain unoccupied for the foreseeable future.
4. As for the first comment, you should read the disclosure reports of Vineyard Columbus and World Harvest - the salaries of their senior staffers are not anywhere in the neighborhood of the average CEO.
The only argument against Tree of Life that matters is that it's illegal for them to operate a school on the property. End of story. Nobody in Upper Arlington will give them a variance.
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Oh, we're getting greedy, are we, UA Civil Servants?!
Not all taxes are equal. That property was zoned to make money for the city. No business is obligated to locate to such a locations. The city did this to reduce the tax burden on its residents.

I guess if you call police and building inspectors civil servants, then UA has 'em.
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This decision bu UA is very short-sighted and unfortunate. TOL would be an asset to the community in many ways.
Not true. They would kill the tax base and offer nothing to the community that they don't already offer from their current school location. If in fact any residents of the city are contemplating attending Tree Of Life, there isn't any reason why they couldn't attend now.
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<quoted text>KJB, you obviously are completely unaware of what Tree of Life is. To somehow compare it to Vineyard and World Harvest churches is ridiculous. As a small church (megachurch, seriously???) the people gather to praise and worship the Lord Jesus Christ. As a very small school it pushes the kids to their fullest capabilities in a loving, Christian environment.
I know UA folks think they are far too good for something like a Christian school but this is probably their best chance to get anything of substance in those buildings for the next several years.
Not true, Best choice for Upper Arlington is the let the zoning stand and send the school packing. The location will sell to a business eventually, and in the meantime its generating tax revenue. If Tree Of Life owns it, that property tax goes to zero.
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Not arguing a church school could be a loss to property tax if church is the primary.

But upper arlinton must have lost the municipal handbook pages saying forget the property tax, go after the workers through income tax. That is how many places do it.
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Will Burns wrote:
Not arguing a church school could be a loss to property tax if church is the primary.
But upper arlinton must have lost the municipal handbook pages saying forget the property tax, go after the workers through income tax. That is how many places do it.
I'd guess teachers at a christian school make much, much less than the AOL employees that used to be there, or the workers that would be employed by the businesses that eventually locate there.
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How sad to see people being so selfish and nit-picky over where to allow someone to have a school. I could understand UA having a problem with losing the property taxes if they were a poor district but everyone knows UA is one of the wealthier - if not the wealthiest - suburbs of Columbus. Just let them build there! A Christian school would be a better neighbor than none at all. It's no wonder our country is in such a financial and moral crisis if people are being so picky about where, why and 'how much money can I get out of this?'
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I agree with CJR's post. This is a Christian school not a brothel; a place to worship and to educate children. Besides the property tax issue, why wouldn't you want a positive place such as Tree of Life to buy the AOL building? I have a feeling that it has less to do with taxes and more to do with some of the UA residents not approving of the demographics that make up the school. I think it's sad that in this day and age, racism still runs rampant in our communities. I feel this school could only uplift and thrive in a community that is so affluent. The previous poster is right, if another company was interested in purchasing this vacant building, I think they would have done so by now. UA should be thankful someone as good as Tree of Life Schools is interested in buying it at all.
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Resident for Equality wrote:
I agree with CJR's post. This is a Christian school not a brothel; a place to worship and to educate children. Besides the property tax issue, why wouldn't you want a positive place such as Tree of Life to buy the AOL building? I have a feeling that it has less to do with taxes and more to do with some of the UA residents not approving of the demographics that make up the school. I think it's sad that in this day and age, racism still runs rampant in our communities. I feel this school could only uplift and thrive in a community that is so affluent. The previous poster is right, if another company was interested in purchasing this vacant building, I think they would have done so by now. UA should be thankful someone as good as Tree of Life Schools is interested in buying it at all.
Give me a break. Tree of Life has a school next door to my house and they are of no value to my community. I'm not a big fan of Christian schools, but I'm a live and let live kind of guy. In 20 years TOL has not done one thing to engage the surrounding community, it hasn't even held an event where the ulterior motive was to recruit minions like other church schools do.

If TOL buys that property they will never leave.They won't pay a cent in taxes and the people dropping their kids off for daily brainwashing will cause traffic snarls. There's no benefit to having TOL in there. The benefit of the property remaining vacant is that Upper Arlington has something to offer prospective businesses. As the economy picks up, UA might be able to lure somebody to that site, thus creating jobs and generating revenue.

As long as that place is open it has potential, if TOL takes it over it's dead.
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Guess what... Tree of Life owns the property! We do live in a free country right? Since when do people have to get permission from the government to educate their children in their own community in a building they own.

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