Medcaid Expansion in Ohio

Medcaid Expansion in Ohio

Created by -The-Artist- on Feb 8, 2013

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Yes - it will "control cost increases"

No - It's more federal deficit spending

“Tenured Marxist Radical”

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#1 Feb 8, 2013
No, 16 trillion in debt and counting.

Sorry John, I know you want to appear centrist so you can run for President in 2016, but you're wrong on this one.

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#2 Feb 8, 2013
Coerced by the federal government's promise that it will pick up the majority of the tab for these costs.

Imagine believing that bull at this point in time.

So...when the feds renege in less than three years, which they will...every state that agreed to this expansion will be bankrupted by it.

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#3 Feb 8, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Coerced by the federal government's promise that it will pick up the majority of the tab for these costs.
Imagine believing that bull at this point in time.
So...when the feds renege in less than three years, which they will...every state that agreed to this expansion will be bankrupted by it.
It is not a coercion, it is a bribe. Expansion is voluntary.

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#4 Feb 8, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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It is not a coercion, it is a bribe. Expansion is voluntary.
Right, it's voluntary...but a refusal of the Medicaid expansion results in a portion of low-income residents being ineligible for Medicaid AND subsidies.

And what GOP governor wants to run for re-election against the Left's withering, "S/He hates poor people!...S/He let poor people die by rejecting Obama's Medicaid expansion plan! S/He put politics above people!"....?

Even though informed Americans know that neither Uncle Sam nor the states can currently afford to fund this expansion, meaning huge tax increases are on the horizon.

It's maddening.

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#5 Feb 8, 2013
-tip- wrote:
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Right, it's voluntary...but a refusal of the Medicaid expansion results in a portion of low-income residents being ineligible for Medicaid AND subsidies.
And what GOP governor wants to run for re-election against the Left's withering, "S/He hates poor people!...S/He let poor people die by rejecting Obama's Medicaid expansion plan! S/He put politics above people!"....?
Even though informed Americans know that neither Uncle Sam nor the states can currently afford to fund this expansion, meaning huge tax increases are on the horizon.
It's maddening.
I doubt Rick Perry and the Texas Legislature will vote to expand. Neither will Mike Pence and the Indiana Legislature.
Adif understanding

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#6 Feb 8, 2013
I think the governor is right in this. However, I think for it to work, it will need more then just expanding medicaid. Perhaps using the funding from the feds to open primary care clinics that are partially funded by donation but with strict requirements on services rendered verses administration costs. Perhaps scholarships and state funded student loan interest abatement programs contingent on set years of working or interning at them could create a balance of funding over effectiveness.

I'm against Obamacare, but I'm not against the poor getting medical treatment or the community helping out with that. But it needs to be community driven and not a tax and giveaway thing.

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#7 Feb 8, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
I think the governor is right in this. However, I think for it to work, it will need more then just expanding medicaid. Perhaps using the funding from the feds to open primary care clinics that are partially funded by donation but with strict requirements on services rendered verses administration costs. Perhaps scholarships and state funded student loan interest abatement programs contingent on set years of working or interning at them could create a balance of funding over effectiveness.
I'm against Obamacare, but I'm not against the poor getting medical treatment or the community helping out with that. But it needs to be community driven and not a tax and giveaway thing.
In a few years, or one budget deal away, the feds will not be covering the cost of the expansion.
The entire goal of Obamacare is to collapse the system so it can be replaced with single payer.

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#8 Feb 8, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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In a few years, or one budget deal away, the feds will not be covering the cost of the expansion.
The entire goal of Obamacare is to collapse the system so it can be replaced with single payer.
Bingo.
Adif understanding

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#9 Feb 8, 2013
Yeah, I understand that which is why I suggested using the funding to establish community driven (read funded privately with some help from gov) clinics to defeat that.

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#10 Feb 8, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
Yeah, I understand that which is why I suggested using the funding to establish community driven (read funded privately with some help from gov) clinics to defeat that.
The feds will very likely not grant the operational freedom to do that. That requires a block grant, and that isn't coming.

The goal is to add to Medicaid recipients, and then scare them that the GOP will (as it should) take it away, moving them into voting D.

Medicaid pays the lowest per patient to the provider, many providers don't take Medicaid patients.

Now, I can't remember if you are a graybox with an IL IP address that lives southeast of Columbus, or a graybox that actually lives in Illinois that works in healthcare, but I'd write to your state senator and representative to reject the expansion in one email, and in another propose the alternative. In IL, they won't care, but it's helpful to remind them that you exist.
Adif understanding

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#11 Feb 8, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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The feds will very likely not grant the operational freedom to do that. That requires a block grant, and that isn't coming.
The goal is to add to Medicaid recipients, and then scare them that the GOP will (as it should) take it away, moving them into voting D.
Medicaid pays the lowest per patient to the provider, many providers don't take Medicaid patients.
Now, I can't remember if you are a graybox with an IL IP address that lives southeast of Columbus, or a graybox that actually lives in Illinois that works in healthcare, but I'd write to your state senator and representative to reject the expansion in one email, and in another propose the alternative. In IL, they won't care, but it's helpful to remind them that you exist.
I'm not sure what greybox is in reference to, but south east of Columbus is correct. My IP will say MI, IL, and OH at times with various different cities. There might be a few others in there too. Has something to do with the ISP.

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#12 Feb 8, 2013
Adif understanding wrote:
<quoted text> I'm not sure what greybox is in reference to, but south east of Columbus is correct. My IP will say MI, IL, and OH at times with various different cities. There might be a few others in there too. Has something to do with the ISP.
"Graybox" (gray in America, grey in Canada) Means unregistered

"In the green" or "greenbox" is registered, this is a registered poster.

An unregistered poster has their name, in a gray box, thus the term.

There was a poster on here a few days ago that actually was living in Chicago or a suburb in the area.

Like I said, contact your state senator and state representative.
Wait what

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#13 Feb 8, 2013
-tip- wrote:
Coerced by the federal government's promise that it will pick up the majority of the tab for these costs.
Imagine believing that bull at this point in time.
So...when the feds renege in less than three years, which they will...every state that agreed to this expansion will be bankrupted by it.
With no means testing whatsoever, expanded eligibility and Social Security income not being counted as income, you may be right. If I had half a mil sitting in the bank, 100% paid-for insurance might not sound half bad.

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