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“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#43 Jun 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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I don't agree. Electric bills are still taxed.
Not to the extent that motor fuel is. In fact, the electrical equivalent to a gallon of gas (including the tax on the electricity) costs less than just the TAX on the gasoline!
And fuel is not the sole determinant of the cost of driving. Maintenance and repair costs can't be ignored.

My big old 77 LTD uses lots of fuel, at least twice as much as new vehicles. But it rarely breaks down, and when it does, its relatively easy and cheap to repair in comparison.
woof
We're talking about tax to pay for roads and bridges, not vehicle maintenance. To be fair, every driver should be taxed in proportion to his vehicle's impact on the roads and bridges, as nearly as possible.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#44 Jun 10, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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Electricity, from coal and nuclear mainly, is cheaper per mile than gas. To tax it at the same rate as gas would require an additional meter to be attached to a home charger.
Or (probably cheaper) a transponder on the car to notify the electric company that this particular electricity is being used for transportation purposes (You know that most electric companies are using RF on the lines to read meters remotely, communicate with "green devices", etc., don't you? In some places, they can even turn your plugged-in car into a SOURCE of electricity for the grid during peak demand times (with appropriate credit, we'd hope)).

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#45 Jun 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Have you priced those batteries, and looked into how many you need, and long they last???
woof
Irrelevant to the road-taxation issue.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#46 Jun 10, 2013
-The-Artist- wrote:
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http://www.afdc.energy.gov/fuels/electricity_...
http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2011/12/...
If electric cars become far more widespread. Home chargers would have to be taxed somehow.
I think CNG will catch on before electric cars.
LP and CNG both contain less energy per pound than gasoline or diesel. Without the fuel-tax break, they'd be more costly per mile.
Duke for Mayor

Lakemore, OH

#47 Jun 10, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Irrelevant to the road-taxation issue.
Relevant to this assertion:
TonyD2 wrote:
<quoted text> And sticking with gas tax ultimately shifts the burden more toward the poor... those who can't afford newer, more efficient, or alternatively fueled vehicles.
woof

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#48 Jun 10, 2013
Duke for Mayor wrote:
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Relevant to this assertion:
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woof
Again, I was referring to tax burden, not vehicle (or vehicle maintenance) cost.

Pay for the roads to the extent you use them (If you're a commercial interest, include that cost in the price you charge for your products or services). It's that simple. It used to be that taxing fuel pretty closely accommodated this principle (drive less, buy less gas... have a heavier vehicle, buy more), but that is less the case now with hybrid/alternate fueled vehicles, and the vast difference in fuel economy between older cars and newer ones, and we need to bring it back into line for fairness' sake.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#49 Jun 11, 2013
-top- wrote:
Gotta clean the rifle now.
Tomorrow's going to be a busy day.
Buh-bye for tonight!
Buh-bye forever!
make sure you remove the bolt, and clean it properly.

with bolt removed it is impossible for excuses of unintended firing.

it also permits thorough cleaning including the barrel.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#50 Jun 11, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Again, I was referring to tax burden, not vehicle (or vehicle maintenance) cost.
Pay for the roads to the extent you use them (If you're a commercial interest, include that cost in the price you charge for your products or services). It's that simple. It used to be that taxing fuel pretty closely accommodated this principle (drive less, buy less gas... have a heavier vehicle, buy more), but that is less the case now with hybrid/alternate fueled vehicles, and the vast difference in fuel economy between older cars and newer ones, and we need to bring it back into line for fairness' sake.
can I ask why a gas guzzler tax is imposed on a car achieving 25 miles per gallon on the highway?

$2700 to be exact, and then the sales tax of 6.75% sales tax added on top of it. So paying sales tax on a tax is due.

PS: The roads are community property paid by taxpayers. We all benefit from them.

How about cutting aid foreign & domestic, and fixing the roads?

And all you dreamers of anyone fairly levying a tax.......you are loony.

Toll roads are only fair as an additional tax, and if that is going to occur, I want a discount for paying my fair share 5 times.

Income tax to the Fed is how funding for community property is paid for. We need to double the % of people who pay income tax, and these conversations end.

“Paper Or Plastic?”

Since: Nov 11

Albakoikee

#51 Jun 11, 2013
So those of us who would be environmentally concious by driving a hybrid or electric car will still pay as much as the gas guzzler owner. It isn't about the ozone layer, its the tax money baybayyy.

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#52 Jun 11, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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can I ask why a gas guzzler tax is imposed on a car achieving 25 miles per gallon on the highway?
$2700 to be exact, and then the sales tax of 6.75% sales tax added on top of it. So paying sales tax on a tax is due.
PS: The roads are community property paid by taxpayers. We all benefit from them.
Some use them more than others, and each should pay in proportion to that use. It works for your city water bill...
How about cutting aid foreign & domestic, and fixing the roads?
And all you dreamers of anyone fairly levying a tax.......you are loony.
You realize we are talking about REPLACING the gasoline tax, not adding another, don't you?
Toll roads are only fair as an additional tax, and if that is going to occur, I want a discount for paying my fair share 5 times.
Income tax to the Fed is how funding for community property is paid for.
Then where is the gas tax money going?
We need to double the % of people who pay income tax, and these conversations end.
There's another tax that needs replaced but that's another topic.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#53 Jun 11, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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Some use them more than others, and each should pay in proportion to that use. It works for your city water bill...
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You realize we are talking about REPLACING the gasoline tax, not adding another, don't you?
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Then where is the gas tax money going?
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There's another tax that needs replaced but that's another topic.
name 1 tax ended and replaced with another.

pay in proportion to that use?
since when did that ever occur?
what happened to fairness, where we all pitched in together?

my water bill is read from a meter, and so is the consumption tax on fuel for cars. So is the natural gas and electric. My cell phone. Gym membership, etc.

where is the gas money going?
I could ask same question regarding every cent sent to washington.

Question......why don't we fix the roads to last 30 years, not 2 years?

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#54 Jun 11, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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name 1 tax ended and replaced with another.
I was saying I'd like to see the gas tax replaced with a road use tax.
pay in proportion to that use?
If you drive more than someone else, or drive a heavier vehicle than someone else, you are putting more wear and tear on the roads than they are. Shouldn't you pay more?
since when did that ever occur?
Your water bill is one example.
what happened to fairness, where we all pitched in together?
If you're currently driving an electric vehicle, you're not pitching in at all.

my water bill is read from a meter, and so is the consumption tax on fuel for cars.

What about electric cars? Where is the road tax being paid from that?
So is the natural gas and electric. My cell phone. Gym membership, etc.
Thanks for making my point. People who use more of "it" should pay more for "it", no matter what "it" is.
where is the gas money going?
I could ask same question regarding every cent sent to washington.
Fuel tax is supposed to be earmarked for roads and bridges.
Question......why don't we fix the roads to last 30 years, not 2 years?
It costs more to make a road that will last longer, and a balance has to be made with longevity vs. how much money is coming in per unit of time. It used to be that fuel tax money was enough, but with cars getting better mileage, and alternative fueled vehicles, it is no longer balanced.
Reality Speaks

Columbus, OH

#55 Jun 11, 2013
TonyD2 wrote:
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I was saying I'd like to see the gas tax replaced with a road use tax.
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If you drive more than someone else, or drive a heavier vehicle than someone else, you are putting more wear and tear on the roads than they are. Shouldn't you pay more?
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Your water bill is one example.
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If you're currently driving an electric vehicle, you're not pitching in at all.
my water bill is read from a meter, and so is the consumption tax on fuel for cars.
What about electric cars? Where is the road tax being paid from that?
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Thanks for making my point. People who use more of "it" should pay more for "it", no matter what "it" is.
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Fuel tax is supposed to be earmarked for roads and bridges.
<quoted text>
It costs more to make a road that will last longer, and a balance has to be made with longevity vs. how much money is coming in per unit of time. It used to be that fuel tax money was enough, but with cars getting better mileage, and alternative fueled vehicles, it is no longer balanced.
so since those who earn less than 50k a year use much more in government bennies than I do, when is my rebate check for paying more in income tax?

“Ludibrium est onus genio”

Since: Dec 11

Planet Earth

#56 Jun 11, 2013
Reality Speaks wrote:
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so since those who earn less than 50k a year use much more in government bennies than I do, when is my rebate check for paying more in income tax?
I hear you. We should address that with sensible changes to the tax system (and now that the IRS is under fire, that may be sooner than we think). I was talking general principles... where possible, people should pay for their share of what they use in proportion to their use. I realize that some things can't be metered that way... "police protection", "standing army", etc. But where it can be, it should be. the rest should, in theory, be paid for "per capita" (the police protect everyone equally, so everyone should pay an equal cost). The progressives would have fits, however.

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