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http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2013/06/gm-ups...
Ahhh...but it gets even better:

Proposal would charge drivers of electric cars

A “vehicle road usage charge” would stand in for the gas taxes other owners pay to help support the road network

SALEM — Electric vehicle drivers won’t be getting a free ride when it comes to paying for Oregon’s roads, if advocates of an odometer fee have their way.

A bill before the Oregon Legislature aims to deal with the government’s potential beefs with a growing fleet of cars and trucks that never stop for fuel at a gas station: that they don’t ever pay the gas tax that helps cover the cost of state and local road construction and maintenance.

Under House Bill 2328, those drivers would pay a “vehicle road usage charge,” starting with model year 2014 electric vehicles and plug-in gas-electric hybrids.
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-Clayton Bigsby wrote:
<quoted text>Ahhh...but it gets even better:
Proposal would charge drivers of electric cars
A “vehicle road usage charge” would stand in for the gas taxes other owners pay to help support the road network
I've always thought a tax based on weight and miles driven would be the fairest, and could be applied to any vehicle type.
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I've always thought a tax based on weight and miles driven would be the fairest, and could be applied to any vehicle type.
Weight is already used for license fees and miles are used for federal heavy use tax so it would be easy to expand that to include all licensed vehicles
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5 attempts and counting at posting this one in various ways....
http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2013/06/gm-ups...
Proof topix is sucking Obama's a$$

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Government-run GM considers the Volt a roaring success [$49k loss per vehicle.
Imagine how enormously successful Obamacare will be deemed.
The more taxpayer money lost, the more successful the government program.

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I've always thought a tax based on weight and miles driven would be the fairest, and could be applied to any vehicle type.
There are only two ways of doing it...GPS or an annual odometer reading at registration renewal. I can only imagine those who won't have the money top pay the tax all at once. And I don't want the government checking up on my driving without a good reason.
One thing I'm surprised they haven't done here is an excise tax. When I lived in MA it was $25 per $1000 of book value. It was a real killer when you registered a brand new car...the sales tax was payable in cash only (it can't be rolled into the car payment) or you didn't get your plates. So, for a $30k car, you owed the RMV $1875 PLUS the plate registration fee which is $50. Then you pay the excise tax in cash every year at renewal, so lets' say your one year old car is now worth $24k...that's $600 PLUS the registration fee.

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Government-run GM considers the Volt a roaring success [$49k loss per vehicle.
Imagine how enormously successful Obamacare will be deemed.
The more taxpayer money lost, the more successful the government program.
The roaring success was getting Michigan's electoral votes.

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Weight is already used for license fees and miles are used for federal heavy use tax so it would be easy to expand that to include all licensed vehicles
Yep, and it's fair too, since heavier vehicles wear out highways more, and more mileage wears them out faster. And sticking with gas tax ultimately shifts the burden more toward the poor... those who can't afford newer, more efficient, or alternatively fueled vehicles.

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<quoted text>There are only two ways of doing it...GPS or an annual odometer reading at registration renewal.
I think the latter would suffice. Self-reported, with random spot-checks.
I can only imagine those who won't have the money top pay the tax all at once.
They can save it up from the gas tax they won't be paying.
And I don't want the government checking up on my driving without a good reason.
Mileage is reported when the car is sold, or is in an accident... this would just be collecting the data more often (for passenger vehicles... commercial vehicles already report at least yearly).
One thing I'm surprised they haven't done here is an excise tax. When I lived in MA it was $25 per $1000 of book value. It was a real killer when you registered a brand new car.
Some states tax them as property, which works out about the same.
..the sales tax was payable in cash only (it can't be rolled into the car payment) or you didn't get your plates. So, for a $30k car, you owed the RMV $1875 PLUS the plate registration fee which is $50. Then you pay the excise tax in cash every year at renewal, so lets' say your one year old car is now worth $24k...that's $600 PLUS the registration fee.
Yuck! I don't know why they wouldn't roll those taxes into the payment, they do it on homes don't they?
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I've always thought a tax based on weight and miles driven would be the fairest, and could be applied to any vehicle type.
That's pretty much what exists now.

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I think the latter would suffice. Self-reported, with random spot-checks.
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They can save it up from the gas tax they won't be paying.
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Mileage is reported when the car is sold, or is in an accident... this would just be collecting the data more often (for passenger vehicles... commercial vehicles already report at least yearly).
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Some states tax them as property, which works out about the same.
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Yuck! I don't know why they wouldn't roll those taxes into the payment, they do it on homes don't they?
Yes, they roll it into every other major purchase aside from vehicles (boats are treated the same as cars.)

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That's pretty much what exists now.
woof
No. Electric vehicles pay no fuel tax. Likewise, weight and miles driven being equal, older cars that get poorer gas mileage pay more than newer cars that get better gas mileage. It's basically penalizing the poor, who can't afford newer or electric/hybrid cars.
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Then why did you post a link to it?

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Then why did you post a link to it?
Why don't you post under your usual moniker, contrarian?
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Why don't you post under your usual moniker, contrarian?
Why?

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Because what you consider to be fun, Bob, is really rather tiresome.
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<quoted text>There are only two ways of doing it...GPS or an annual odometer reading at registration renewal. I can only imagine those who won't have the money top pay the tax all at once. And I don't want the government checking up on my driving without a good reason.
One thing I'm surprised they haven't done here is an excise tax. When I lived in MA it was $25 per $1000 of book value. It was a real killer when you registered a brand new car...the sales tax was payable in cash only (it can't be rolled into the car payment) or you didn't get your plates. So, for a $30k car, you owed the RMV $1875 PLUS the plate registration fee which is $50. Then you pay the excise tax in cash every year at renewal, so lets' say your one year old car is now worth $24k...that's $600 PLUS the registration fee.
Pretty much how South Carolina and Georgia works. I find it to be a good trade off for low property taxes. Even those who rent or get HUD often have a car so they pay something too. I'm all for those who don't own property paying their fair share.

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